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Time For More Sense About Match Locations And Times?

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moc.dna, the only thing the GAA understand is people power. There was talk of Wexford v Clare being in Cork. The GAA learned 2-3 years ago that that is a brutal idea, as only 10-12k went.
Until people hit the GAA in the pocket, the GAA don't learn. I think the GAA thought "sure Mayo will follow them anyway". There's the answer to that.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 12/06/2022 18:17:33    2424313

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There seems to be carnage over tickets for the All-Ireland hurling quarter finals.
My club in Wexford got enough ticket for 1/2 of the requests.
Look, a double header is always good but the ground has to be able to hold it. Thurles will be choccers on Saturday with 4 well supported counties playing. Even at the conservative 10k estimate often touted, this doesn't leave much for a walk-up crowd.
A double header in Croke Park on a Saturday with Clare/Rossies/Mayo all on the western seaboard made no sense. But the double header in Thurles makes just as little.
Was there not a case for putting Cork-Galway in Limerick, with Wexford-Clare in Thurles? Limerick a short hop down the motorway from Galway and readily accessible from most of north Cork.
Wexford and Clare in Thurles and it is the right place.

I normally hate the GAA's armchair analyst and particularly at club level where people give their time freely, but the people in Jones' Road are being paid enough to get these decisions right.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 14/06/2022 09:02:21    2424856

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A grand total of 16,425 attended the double-header in Croke Pask last Saturday.

So yes, it is time for more sense about match locations and times.

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 14/06/2022 12:44:38    2424928

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Replying To jimski:  "A grand total of 16,425 attended the double-header in Croke Pask last Saturday.

So yes, it is time for more sense about match locations and times."
Yes indeed and this nonsense about the corporate boxes and premium holders being promised a certain amount of games in croker is nt true. If the gaa want they can play the quarter finals in other stadia. They do it with hurling. Sky sports are doing alot of dictating.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3676 - 14/06/2022 14:24:06    2424955

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "There seems to be carnage over tickets for the All-Ireland hurling quarter finals.
My club in Wexford got enough ticket for 1/2 of the requests.
Look, a double header is always good but the ground has to be able to hold it. Thurles will be choccers on Saturday with 4 well supported counties playing. Even at the conservative 10k estimate often touted, this doesn't leave much for a walk-up crowd.
A double header in Croke Park on a Saturday with Clare/Rossies/Mayo all on the western seaboard made no sense. But the double header in Thurles makes just as little.
Was there not a case for putting Cork-Galway in Limerick, with Wexford-Clare in Thurles? Limerick a short hop down the motorway from Galway and readily accessible from most of north Cork.
Wexford and Clare in Thurles and it is the right place.

I normally hate the GAA's armchair analyst and particularly at club level where people give their time freely, but the people in Jones' Road are being paid enough to get these decisions right."
They should have played them as double headers with the minor semi finals, Clare-Offaly then Clare-Wexford in Thurles and Galway-Tipp followed by Galway-Cork in Limerick. Both of those would have drawn large crowds even if they didn't sell out, certainly more combined than the crowd for the double header in Thurles. Instead there's now the ridiculous situation of the Clare minors playing on Friday night in Thurles, and the seniors playing there on Saturday. Likewise the Galway seniors play on Saturday in Thurles and the minors on Sunday in Limerick.

expe (UK) - Posts: 31 - 14/06/2022 21:49:27    2425056

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Sky Sports had nothing to do with decisions - they made that very clear on air last week.
The value for money is great - 40 euros for two games cannot he grumbled at.

AntrimJim (Antrim) - Posts: 39 - 15/06/2022 10:01:41    2425076

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Replying To expe:  "They should have played them as double headers with the minor semi finals, Clare-Offaly then Clare-Wexford in Thurles and Galway-Tipp followed by Galway-Cork in Limerick. Both of those would have drawn large crowds even if they didn't sell out, certainly more combined than the crowd for the double header in Thurles. Instead there's now the ridiculous situation of the Clare minors playing on Friday night in Thurles, and the seniors playing there on Saturday. Likewise the Galway seniors play on Saturday in Thurles and the minors on Sunday in Limerick."
Why aren't county boards complaining about this?

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 15/06/2022 10:30:55    2425085

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In addition to locations and times, a bit more sense about where big stadia are built would not go astray. That stadium in Cork is a joke and won't attract any neutral games unless 2 Munster counties are in it. And even at that, Thurles is a much better location for Clare/Limerick/Tipp.
It was madness building that monstrosity in Cork and you'd have to question who sanctioned its development given central council funded such a significant portion of it.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 15/06/2022 10:30:57    2425086

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "In addition to locations and times, a bit more sense about where big stadia are built would not go astray. That stadium in Cork is a joke and won't attract any neutral games unless 2 Munster counties are in it. And even at that, Thurles is a much better location for Clare/Limerick/Tipp.
It was madness building that monstrosity in Cork and you'd have to question who sanctioned its development given central council funded such a significant portion of it."
Your right, A Big stadium which is 35000+ should be built in the midlands.

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 386 - 16/06/2022 12:07:00    2425338

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Replying To Temple56:  "Your right, A Big stadium which is 35000+ should be built in the midlands."
Only Navan, Portlaoise and Athlone have the room to develop a decent size stadium like that.

Tullamore, Mullingar and Longford would need to move a few roads and knock a few houses to make them bigger.

The reality is the most sensible solution overall would be for the GAA, IRFU and FAI to team up with the government and build a 35,000 roofed stadium in Athlone where the current Athlone town, Athlone/Southern Gaels GAA and Athlone regional sports arenas are located.

In fact, they have the room for a proper multi sport complex for Irelands Olympic sports too - which means that those sports stars would'nt have to pay ridiculous Dublin rents/house prices to train properly in Ireland.

It is beside the N6, 10min walk to the train station and bus station and the local pubs.

within 1hr by train is:
Roscommon, Galway, Tullamore,
within 2 hrs by train :
Thurles, Ballina, Wesport, Portlaoise, Dublin, Bray, Carlow
Within 3 hrs by train
Limerick, Ennis, Drogheda, Killkenny,

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 17/06/2022 14:52:12    2425642

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Only Navan, Portlaoise and Athlone have the room to develop a decent size stadium like that.

Tullamore, Mullingar and Longford would need to move a few roads and knock a few houses to make them bigger.

The reality is the most sensible solution overall would be for the GAA, IRFU and FAI to team up with the government and build a 35,000 roofed stadium in Athlone where the current Athlone town, Athlone/Southern Gaels GAA and Athlone regional sports arenas are located.

In fact, they have the room for a proper multi sport complex for Irelands Olympic sports too - which means that those sports stars would'nt have to pay ridiculous Dublin rents/house prices to train properly in Ireland.

It is beside the N6, 10min walk to the train station and bus station and the local pubs.

within 1hr by train is:
Roscommon, Galway, Tullamore,
within 2 hrs by train :
Thurles, Ballina, Wesport, Portlaoise, Dublin, Bray, Carlow
Within 3 hrs by train
Limerick, Ennis, Drogheda, Killkenny,"
You actually put the word "sensible" in the same paragraph as the FAI , GAA and IRFU….. a good plan but that's where it falls down….!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1927 - 18/06/2022 09:45:40    2425700

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Only Navan, Portlaoise and Athlone have the room to develop a decent size stadium like that.

Tullamore, Mullingar and Longford would need to move a few roads and knock a few houses to make them bigger.

The reality is the most sensible solution overall would be for the GAA, IRFU and FAI to team up with the government and build a 35,000 roofed stadium in Athlone where the current Athlone town, Athlone/Southern Gaels GAA and Athlone regional sports arenas are located.

In fact, they have the room for a proper multi sport complex for Irelands Olympic sports too - which means that those sports stars would'nt have to pay ridiculous Dublin rents/house prices to train properly in Ireland.

It is beside the N6, 10min walk to the train station and bus station and the local pubs.

within 1hr by train is:
Roscommon, Galway, Tullamore,
within 2 hrs by train :
Thurles, Ballina, Wesport, Portlaoise, Dublin, Bray, Carlow
Within 3 hrs by train
Limerick, Ennis, Drogheda, Killkenny,"
You actually put the word "sensible" in the same paragraph as the FAI , GAA and IRFU….. a good plan but that's where it falls down….!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1927 - 18/06/2022 09:50:24    2425702

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Only Navan, Portlaoise and Athlone have the room to develop a decent size stadium like that.

Tullamore, Mullingar and Longford would need to move a few roads and knock a few houses to make them bigger.

The reality is the most sensible solution overall would be for the GAA, IRFU and FAI to team up with the government and build a 35,000 roofed stadium in Athlone where the current Athlone town, Athlone/Southern Gaels GAA and Athlone regional sports arenas are located.

In fact, they have the room for a proper multi sport complex for Irelands Olympic sports too - which means that those sports stars would'nt have to pay ridiculous Dublin rents/house prices to train properly in Ireland.

It is beside the N6, 10min walk to the train station and bus station and the local pubs.

within 1hr by train is:
Roscommon, Galway, Tullamore,
within 2 hrs by train :
Thurles, Ballina, Wesport, Portlaoise, Dublin, Bray, Carlow
Within 3 hrs by train
Limerick, Ennis, Drogheda, Killkenny,"
We have too many stadiums as it is that are never full and only used 7 or 8 times a year. No point in building another when another hours driving gets you to a current stadium. Train line to a stadium venue is nice but only if you live near a train station on that line. In some cases driving is quicker.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 18/06/2022 17:36:08    2425840

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The hurling quarter-finals got good crowds. Following on from good crowds in the Munster hurling championship. The Saturday 1:45 throw in wasn't a deterrent either.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7844 - 18/06/2022 19:32:30    2425875

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The hurling quarter-finals got good crowds. Following on from good crowds in the Munster hurling championship. The Saturday 1:45 throw in wasn't a deterrent either."
34,640.
Ye can forget about building new stadia(ums?) seeing as Kildare and Meath have had to put improvement schemes on hold due to building materials galloping inflation.
Any money central GAA will have will be going on putting something in Casement.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1417 - 18/06/2022 20:00:28    2425884

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "34,640.
Ye can forget about building new stadia(ums?) seeing as Kildare and Meath have had to put improvement schemes on hold due to building materials galloping inflation.
Any money central GAA will have will be going on putting something in Casement."
Upgrading Kildare and Meath stadiums is a waste of time. Both ground are confined by roads/houses so have no potential to get to 25-30k.
That being a matter of fact, they shouldn't waste their money upgrading them - regardless of the cost of materials (which won't ever be cheap again by the way)

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1109 - 19/06/2022 10:12:25    2425982

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "34,640.
Ye can forget about building new stadia(ums?) seeing as Kildare and Meath have had to put improvement schemes on hold due to building materials galloping inflation.
Any money central GAA will have will be going on putting something in Casement."
Got good crowds from Clare and Cork, but Wexford and Galway had very poor support I think. I am puzzled as to why.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 19/06/2022 16:50:46    2426115

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Upgrading Kildare and Meath stadiums is a waste of time. Both ground are confined by roads/houses so have no potential to get to 25-30k.
That being a matter of fact, they shouldn't waste their money upgrading them - regardless of the cost of materials (which won't ever be cheap again by the way)"
You're not showing a lot of local knowledge about Newbridge and Navan. Pairc Tailteann is bordered by a car park. St Conleths park literally has parking spaces around the pitch and borders Bord Na Mona with discussions ongoing about what to do with the site now that there is a lot less turf extraction going on. Either could be redeveloped into a 25-30k ground if the will and the money was there.

Having said that - neither are looking to build a white elephant. Kildare want to build a 15k ground and Meath want to build a 21k ground. It might be 30-40% more expensive to build now - but both should start; it will be more expensive again once the replanning and talking about things is done.

brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 279 - 22/06/2022 11:10:12    2426795

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Its not the end of the world if any county builds a 20-30k stadium. Big games need that.
What the GAA don't need is another Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Although Thurles could do with a make over.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 23/06/2022 10:35:06    2426995

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I think 6pm for Cork vs Dublin is a bit of a joke, ok for Dublin people but the time is putting some cork fans off going especially ones with a family as it would be after midnight most will be home

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 268 - 23/06/2022 12:06:22    2427029

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