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Nobody Shouted Stop - Our National Game Being Destroyed And Dumbed Down

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "Chat on here is hilarious. I would far rather watch the ulster final every year played the same then to watch Munster/Leinster muck."
At least you would get a good sleep during it if it was anything like yesterday's bore fest

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1930 - 30/05/2022 16:34:41    2421189

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I took the opportunity to take a walk on one of Wexford's finest beaches yesterday afternoon. Does not sound like I missed anything of note."
You missed a good tight game. A match. As in a game between equals where you didn't know who would win. Ok so it wasn't football but at least it was some kind of sport which couldn't be said of Saturday.
Saturday wasn't even sport let alone football. Saturday was like watching what you would imagine lads shooting pheasants on the ground would look like. 30 cows tearing off across a field would carry more sporting interest than Saturdays rubbish. At least you wouldn't know which might get across to the other side 1st. Or to put it onto city speak throwing a piece of bread at a crowd of 30 seagulls at Howth or 30 pigeons on O Connell Street would carry more sporting intrigue than Saturdays nonsense.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11879 - 30/05/2022 16:34:43    2421190

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Replying To PK57:  "RTE acting like yesterday was the football apocalypse while treating Saturday's games like they were games for the ages, could they at least be consistent."
Absolutely disgraceful from RTE and the usual suspects. Marty Morrissey gushing with praise for Dublin as they were 16 points up after 26 minutes, but then on Sunday with only a point in it between Derry and Donegal he was calling the game brutal and lamenting the amount of handpassing. I'm sorry, but I know which game id rather watch. The provincial championships are gone behond a joke at this stage.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 934 - 30/05/2022 16:43:34    2421193

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The first bad game in the Ulster championship and all the curmudgeons are out in force. it's as pathetic as it is predictable

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 30/05/2022 16:58:12    2421198

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Replying To handpassking:  "I am distraught watching the ulster final , our beloved game been destroyed and denigrated by the handpass. A race to the bottom skill wise ."
We're you distraught between 2015 and 2020?

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 30/05/2022 17:05:24    2421203

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Let's turn the railway cup into the All Ireland,

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 30/05/2022 17:10:59    2421205

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "You saw one handpass that was superb, how about the other 300 lateral and backwards ones?

Any changes to proposed structures in the championship are consistently voted down by nearly every Ulster county, so what are the GAA to do in that case?"
300 tactical decisions all cus that's what Donegal have and can bring to the table , Derry just done what Tyrone eventually learnt to do against theedonegalduvet which is beat them at their own game,Tyrone created the blanket defence,Donegal have lowered it to the point pins in the eyes would be a better viewit's awful to watch but like two heavy weights it was a contest, I'm amazed it wasn't nil nil at half time,Derry played it quicker faster and better than donkey ball,Gaelic football has moved on but going lateral is still an option teams need to have and know how too play with and against, I love how it freaks out the so professed purists of gaa, us in Tyrone have a solution ,it's called Canavan and Mylar ps an open all Ireland championship draw only solution, 32. or two groups 16, no back door,anything else is a league /round robin /champions league , ulster has had enough this stupid absurd structure of a so called all Ireland championship esp when there's 5 teams here fit and primed to win Sam but will knock tripe outa each other just to win Anglo Celt, something has to change

GaelicLion (Tyrone) - Posts: 12 - 30/05/2022 17:12:29    2421206

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Absolutely disgraceful from RTE and the usual suspects. Marty Morrissey gushing with praise for Dublin as they were 16 points up after 26 minutes, but then on Sunday with only a point in it between Derry and Donegal he was calling the game brutal and lamenting the amount of handpassing. I'm sorry, but I know which game id rather watch. The provincial championships are gone behond a joke at this stage."
Marty Morrissey and Ger canning are Spoofers and are very limited in their knowledge and i would take zero notice of what they think , BBC coverage was excellent as always yesterday from their commentators to their panel and made a cagey affair very presentable.
BBCs Championship programme is leagues ahead of RTEs gaelic football coverage !

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 673 - 30/05/2022 17:15:14    2421211

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I don't watch the Sunday Game at all. There's an inherent, ingrained anti Ulster agenda running through RTE's sports department and I believe that played a part in Brolly leaving too. They worship at Dublin and Kerry's altar no matter how they play and Kerry and Dublin are as cynical as any other side but you will never hear RTE saying that.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9703 - 30/05/2022 17:30:48    2421226

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Replying To OpenStand:  "Marty Morrissey and Ger canning are Spoofers and are very limited in their knowledge and i would take zero notice of what they think , BBC coverage was excellent as always yesterday from their commentators to their panel and made a cagey affair very presentable.
BBCs Championship programme is leagues ahead of RTEs gaelic football coverage !"
BBC should get the All-Ireland and any semi-final or quarter-final involving an Ulster side. Coverage is much better.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 30/05/2022 17:50:57    2421234

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Replying To GaelicLion:  "300 tactical decisions all cus that's what Donegal have and can bring to the table , Derry just done what Tyrone eventually learnt to do against theedonegalduvet which is beat them at their own game,Tyrone created the blanket defence,Donegal have lowered it to the point pins in the eyes would be a better viewit's awful to watch but like two heavy weights it was a contest, I'm amazed it wasn't nil nil at half time,Derry played it quicker faster and better than donkey ball,Gaelic football has moved on but going lateral is still an option teams need to have and know how too play with and against, I love how it freaks out the so professed purists of gaa, us in Tyrone have a solution ,it's called Canavan and Mylar ps an open all Ireland championship draw only solution, 32. or two groups 16, no back door,anything else is a league /round robin /champions league , ulster has had enough this stupid absurd structure of a so called all Ireland championship esp when there's 5 teams here fit and primed to win Sam but will knock tripe outa each other just to win Anglo Celt, something has to change"
That's a perfect structure, 32 teams open draw. I'd be all for that myself. The right draw and a lower tier side could feasibly make a semi final. But it will be the counties in Ulster that would shout it down, yet complain about how hard it is for them compared to other provinces.

I remember reading a column by Jim McG years ago saying the reason why Donegal does so much hand passing is that most of their pitches are by the Atlantic ocean and the wind there leaves kicking the ball a difficulty...which must be news to more sheltered counties like Mayo and Kerry I have no doubt, who have no difficulty kicking a ball.

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 30/05/2022 19:56:08    2421258

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Not a game for the purists

But let's not let that get in the way of a brilliant achievement by Derry, big congratulations to Derry on the day and I hope the party is still going.

It also shouldn't be used as a chance to bash Ulster football

The tactics on the day were the issue and the geographical location of the teams is irrelevant

Such tactics are used in every province, it's just that when two teams setup in a very possession first fashion this is what happens, it makes for a very odd spectacle and it just doesn't feel or look like the traditional game at all, that's very jarring for some

Again though well done to Derry, great win and you beat the best Ulster has to offer to get your hands on the title, first since 1998 I believe.. outstanding

Outside of Dublin I'll be shouting for Derry

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/05/2022 20:21:25    2421261

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Terrible. I got more enjoyment out of the one sided games than this. It's a stain on our game. And congress needs to adress it asap"
Would you be happy if Meath beat the Dubs in Leinster final on a score of 0-0 to 0-1. I guess yes.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 30/05/2022 21:46:55    2421273

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "Absolutely disgraceful from RTE and the usual suspects. Marty Morrissey gushing with praise for Dublin as they were 16 points up after 26 minutes, but then on Sunday with only a point in it between Derry and Donegal he was calling the game brutal and lamenting the amount of handpassing. I'm sorry, but I know which game id rather watch. The provincial championships are gone behond a joke at this stage."
for sure , the dubs were so wonderful to see, they are a joy to watch, they play football the way it should be played

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 31/05/2022 08:28:39    2421279

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Replying To weatherfieldgael:  "That's a perfect structure, 32 teams open draw. I'd be all for that myself. The right draw and a lower tier side could feasibly make a semi final. But it will be the counties in Ulster that would shout it down, yet complain about how hard it is for them compared to other provinces.

I remember reading a column by Jim McG years ago saying the reason why Donegal does so much hand passing is that most of their pitches are by the Atlantic ocean and the wind there leaves kicking the ball a difficulty...which must be news to more sheltered counties like Mayo and Kerry I have no doubt, who have no difficulty kicking a ball."
This is a fair enough point about the Ulster Council but you know why they vote against it, because the championship is competitive and brings in the money for them. They won't vote to reduce the significance of the provincials (as they see it) because it will kill their cash cow.

Personally I think it's very short sighted of them because if you throw in a proper open draw for the All-Ireland, the chances of Ulster teams having a run at Sam would greatly increase as they won't have spent 6 weeks killing eachother first. I also think it would raise the standard across the countries as the likes of Meath and Kildare get away from playing Dublin.

I still think provincial winners should get some benefit in the All-Ireland series, whether that's home matches or something. And personally I can't ever see the Ulster final only drawing 14000 for example. But we'll see how next years' structure goes, I'm looking forward to it.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 31/05/2022 10:53:27    2421318

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Replying To handpassking:  "I am distraught watching the ulster final , our beloved game been destroyed and denigrated by the handpass. A race to the bottom skill wise ."
I must say it was puke football at its worst. Donegal deserved to lose after playing for extra time with almost a minute left and refused to push for the winner.

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 31/05/2022 17:20:27    2421446

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You can try and justify it anyway u want but it's still awful. No it's not a one off either. There will always be the next game of possession football and excuses for using it. Bottom line, poster is correct.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 01/06/2022 07:36:09    2421494

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "This is a fair enough point about the Ulster Council but you know why they vote against it, because the championship is competitive and brings in the money for them. They won't vote to reduce the significance of the provincials (as they see it) because it will kill their cash cow.

Personally I think it's very short sighted of them because if you throw in a proper open draw for the All-Ireland, the chances of Ulster teams having a run at Sam would greatly increase as they won't have spent 6 weeks killing eachother first. I also think it would raise the standard across the countries as the likes of Meath and Kildare get away from playing Dublin.

I still think provincial winners should get some benefit in the All-Ireland series, whether that's home matches or something. And personally I can't ever see the Ulster final only drawing 14000 for example. But we'll see how next years' structure goes, I'm looking forward to it."
I think myself that the quarter finals should be held over two weekends in a designated town every year, one game on the saturday, one on the sunday each weekend e.g. Killarney, Clones, Castlebar etc. Grounds capable of holding a minimum 30k. If it so happens that one of the counties involved has home advantage due to this so be it, the announcement could be made early in the year.

weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 01/06/2022 09:57:17    2421501

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Replying To handpassking:  "I am distraught watching the ulster final , our beloved game been destroyed and denigrated by the handpass. A race to the bottom skill wise ."
Does the hand-pass essentially make GAA Football, "Gaelic Rugby League", discuss.

EMeathperson (Meath) - Posts: 6 - 04/06/2022 20:53:35    2422233

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Replying To EMeathperson:  "Does the hand-pass essentially make GAA Football, "Gaelic Rugby League", discuss."
Would I be correct in thinking that you got beaten?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2565 - 04/06/2022 21:00:19    2422236

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