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Replying To anotheralias: "We need to take perspective here. Soccer is the most supported game in the world and in soccer you have good games and bad games. Thats sport. While the Ulster final was drab in terms of style , it was intense, it was exciting , and was not without its moments of excellent play. Peadar Mohan's 3 x first half points for example. In general the trend has been very positive over the last few years at both county and club level , and I can safely say that I have watched more good games in the last 3 years than I did in the previous 10. Will there continue to be some games like yesterday's UF, yes. Will there be more one sided games like Saturday's, finals, yes. but hopefully too there will be more games like the Connacht final. But I dont think we want every game to be the same and sometimes it can be intriguing to look at an intense tactical battle , even if the scores are not flowing. And while we are at it, lets be honest, the Galway v Ros game would not have been nearly as entertaining if both teams had better defences. So lets dispense with the chat about rule changes.. Gaelic football is in as good a health as it has been for a long time." Go raibh maith agat. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 30/05/2022 12:58:25 2421056 Link
Replying To JoeSoap: "A single game where everyone leaving Clones is exhausted, fans included, because of what was a titanic battle and people are cribbing over the style of play. You will get games like this in Ulster, it's a claustrophobic province where we all know eachother and to some degree hate eachother but respect eachother maybe too much so you get these cautious games. It's time the rest of the country just stopped crying whenever it happens as if their poor wee hearts are sore from the state of the game because they see too many handpasses. But they'll ooh and aahh and applaud as James McCarthy solos up the pitch without getting touched before playing an easy pass inside to Con who has 20 metres of space to do whatever he wants in the Leinster final. As long as that pass is with the boot then it's wonderful play, god forbid it's a handpass. Or go on about the beautiful football being played in Killarney when there isn't a defender in sight. The hypocrisy stinks honestly. Pat Spillane was salivating at the Dubs at half-time on Saturday and going on about the wonderful football, and as he was going on about the beautiful play they were showing one of the goals which was literally the Dubs just soloing up the pitch handpassing it and no Kildare player touching them. People have been whingeing about Ulster teams handpassing the ball for as long as I remember. I'm sore about the result yesterday and about our own performance but the hand-wringing about the state of the game... It's pathetic, honestly." It's not really about football; it's geography, bias and stereotypical nonsense. Let the moon howlers howl, fawn and dribble over Dublin's latest 50 pt win and 100th successive Leinster title. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 30/05/2022 13:05:27 2421059 Link
Replying To handpassking: "I am distraught watching the ulster final , our beloved game been destroyed and denigrated by the handpass. A race to the bottom skill wise ." Seen one of the best left handed hand pass y day in ulster final, split open the Derry defence created a score, it's an art and essential now like being two footed, But Hilarious to see others here believe it's dour dull hand ball whilst sitting outside ulster haha come up here play in ulster let's see your lovely nice footie balls jingle jangle,ulster Abu! But whole structure of so called championship is a joke and seeing dubs Kerry play div 2,3,4 teams sure aint fair they get to last 8 playing ladies u12 teams whilst there's 5 teams in ulster could take Kerry dubs on any day, (damn easy to play foodie ball against u12s ) GaelicLion (Tyrone) - Posts: 12 - 30/05/2022 13:09:52 2421062 Link
Replying To handpassking: "I am distraught watching the ulster final , our beloved game been destroyed and denigrated by the handpass. A race to the bottom skill wise ." What aload of nonsense, you might not have enjoyed it but i for one taught it was a great match. I taught the defending by both teams was fantastic, Chrissy McKaigue put on a masterclass show on how to defend, The handling by both teams was top class, there was some top class points scored on both side, Murphys 45m effort was a cracker. The prodding and probing by both teams trying to force the other team into a mistake. The intelligence of Glass and Rodgers to identify that Murphy was starting to cramp up late on took him on and Derry's two winning point came from this. You might prefer the one sided hoof ball shows that was on Saturday, but i much prefer to watch a tight ding dong of a battle were both teams leave all out on the field like yesterday's Ulster final. And well done to Derry yesterday on a fantastic win, no other provincial champion can say they had to beat 3 division 1 teams to win there title, magnificent achievement. Totalballer (Monaghan) - Posts: 39 - 30/05/2022 13:21:29 2421068 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "It wasn't a great game to be honest. Too much handpassing and fear of losing particularly on Donegal's part. However the absolute irony of a poster wailing banshee cries over a 2 point game rather than the phoney competitions that are the Leinster and Munster Championships. I will say it again, the vast majority of criticism of Ulster football is based on geography and inherent bias. Marty Morrisey's commentary yesterday was dripping with stereotypical nonsense about Ulster football. Tyrone last year were the best football side on the Island but all of a sudden the usual suspects resort to type about Ulster." dont like marty commentating on any game. I watched in on BBC. They are far more knowledgable that RTE. having said that it was largely a borefest for the neutral. Kerry and Dublin played some wonderful football and were a joy to watch. I would think that if either of them were in Ulster this year they would be dishing out similar hidings to the teams there. I think as someone said on here it was a perfect storm yesterday . Let's move on and congratulate Derry and let's hope they don't meet Donegal again this year. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 30/05/2022 13:32:50 2421074 Link
Replying To GaelicLion: "Seen one of the best left handed hand pass y day in ulster final, split open the Derry defence created a score, it's an art and essential now like being two footed, But Hilarious to see others here believe it's dour dull hand ball whilst sitting outside ulster haha come up here play in ulster let's see your lovely nice footie balls jingle jangle,ulster Abu! But whole structure of so called championship is a joke and seeing dubs Kerry play div 2,3,4 teams sure aint fair they get to last 8 playing ladies u12 teams whilst there's 5 teams in ulster could take Kerry dubs on any day, (damn easy to play foodie ball against u12s )" You saw one handpass that was superb, how about the other 300 lateral and backwards ones? Any changes to proposed structures in the championship are consistently voted down by nearly every Ulster county, so what are the GAA to do in that case? weatherfieldgael (UK) - Posts: 60 - 30/05/2022 13:40:44 2421079 Link
Replying To Viking66: "I think it was Donegal who were the more negative. Twice as many handpasses as Derry had. They saw what Derry did to Tyrone and Monaghan. And despite Derry not having won it in so long I had Derry favourites based on what I've seen of them so far this championship. It was a terrible watch though at least I stayed watching to the end to see what would happen. The Munster and Leinster finals both got turned off before halftime." Yeah Donegal were shocking. There was an instance in the first half where Derry retained possession from a goal kick and all but one Donegal forward turned to run back to inside their 45. It's very pathetic stuff really and glad they were beaten. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 30/05/2022 13:47:38 2421085 Link
Gaeliclion you have offended a lot of people with that last post..Kerry can only beat what's in front of them,my own county on Saturday just didn't lay a glove on them which I was expecting.you may not believe this but limerick are a better team than they showed and I hope they get a chance to prove that.its the same in Kildare,I think they are better than the showing against the dubs..Derry have ye a right beating first day out,ye have a chance to show next weekend how ye have recovered but I've s feeling Armagh will not be a nice place Sunday for anyone who enjoys Gaelic football..I would say only three teams in the country at their very best would put it up to Dublin,Kerry,mayo,and Tyrone..some counties might feel yes we have a chance but the last 15/20 minutes is where they would fall down..I watched ulster final yesterday,it was interesting more than good and for me Derry had a go and tried to win,I havnt a clue what donegal were trying.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2217 - 30/05/2022 13:50:14 2421088 Link
Replying To handpassking: "I am distraught watching the ulster final , our beloved game been destroyed and denigrated by the handpass. A race to the bottom skill wise ." Terrible. I got more enjoyment out of the one sided games than this. It's a stain on our game. And congress needs to adress it asap royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/05/2022 14:07:03 2421101 Link
Find all the negativity, a bit wingy to be honest, no rule to say you dont have to play the game a certain way, Derry found a way to win and fair play to them, no one in Derry will be *** and im delighted for them. If you have limits you find a way to compete. No issues. But more importantly if you want to win All Irelands you have to play against every set up and system and win, thats the competitiveness of the game and trophies are won and lost in that context. Delighted for Derry great scenes for their faithful and brilliant for the game there after many years dogging it out, thats the spirit of this sport and its a good news story. You cant win, Kerry and Dublin get harnged by putting teams to the sword playing attacking creative football, Derry get harrnaged for finding a way way to win against all the odds bearing a plethora of Div 1 teams and outsie bets for Sam - should be lauded im delighted for them. Go out and beat if your clever enough. Winging for winging sake. Congrats Derry. TheUsername (Dublin)** - Posts: 4445 - 30/05/2022 14:27:14 2421111 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Terrible. I got more enjoyment out of the one sided games than this. It's a stain on our game. And congress needs to adress it asap" Aye, you just continue enjoying being Dublin's wee plaything. I think they call it Stockholm Syndrome. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 30/05/2022 14:48:18 2421120 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Find all the negativity, a bit wingy to be honest, no rule to say you dont have to play the game a certain way, Derry found a way to win and fair play to them, no one in Derry will be *** and im delighted for them. If you have limits you find a way to compete. No issues. But more importantly if you want to win All Irelands you have to play against every set up and system and win, thats the competitiveness of the game and trophies are won and lost in that context. Delighted for Derry great scenes for their faithful and brilliant for the game there after many years dogging it out, thats the spirit of this sport and its a good news story. You cant win, Kerry and Dublin get harnged by putting teams to the sword playing attacking creative football, Derry get harrnaged for finding a way way to win against all the odds bearing a plethora of Div 1 teams and outsie bets for Sam - should be lauded im delighted for them. Go out and beat if your clever enough. Winging for winging sake. Congrats Derry." I agree with this. Congratulations to Derry. A very hard fought win. Any ball into the inside the 50 was fought over and hard won. Making the space to get a shot off was extremely difficult. Every score mattered. The skill of getting a half yard of space to fire off an accurate shot while being closed down by 2 defenders shouldn't be discounted. I'm sure a neutral would have enjoyed the ulster final more than the one-sided open kicking game witnessed in Leinster. Its a style that might not win beat Kerry or Dublin this year but they've earned their chance. brianb (Kildare)** - Posts: 284 - 30/05/2022 14:50:18 2421123 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "Dublin have turned competitive football into a total snorefest not Donegal or Derry. Yesterday wasn't a great game but last season Tyrone played some of the best stuff we have seen in years." Ah it's all big bad Dublin's fault that Jimmy McGuinness and Big Joe invented the style of play that we witnessed yesterday. I don't know what sport it is but it ain't football. I've been very critical of my own county's lateral passing tactics in the league but I'd pay money any day to see an attacking display like Dublin exhibited on Saturday regardless of what county is playing it, over the muck that was served up yesterday. If you criticise it you are called anti Ulster now it seems. Time to wake up and call it what it is. Brutal, I think is what Marty called it. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 30/05/2022 14:50:46 2421126 Link
Chat on here is hilarious. I would far rather watch the ulster final every year played the same then to watch Munster/Leinster muck. naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 481 - 30/05/2022 15:21:13 2421140 Link
I took the opportunity to take a walk on one of Wexford's finest beaches yesterday afternoon. Does not sound like I missed anything of note. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 30/05/2022 16:00:22 2421164 Link
Replying To Joxer: "Ah it's all big bad Dublin's fault that Jimmy McGuinness and Big Joe invented the style of play that we witnessed yesterday. I don't know what sport it is but it ain't football. I've been very critical of my own county's lateral passing tactics in the league but I'd pay money any day to see an attacking display like Dublin exhibited on Saturday regardless of what county is playing it, over the muck that was served up yesterday. If you criticise it you are called anti Ulster now it seems. Time to wake up and call it what it is. Brutal, I think is what Marty called it." Who's this big joe you refer too‽ Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 693 - 30/05/2022 16:07:43 2421172 Link
Don't understand this hatred seen online everywhere for the ulster final. Was it thrilllingly skillful football? No. Was it better than Munster and Leinster final? 100%. I'd take a tight close game over the drubbings we see in other provinces all day long. Sure there is a middle ground to be found somewhere but for the moment, until the farce that is Munster and Leinster provincials (and to a lesser extent connacht) is sorted out, long live the Ulster championship no matter how they play. Highandmighty (Leitrim) - Posts: 54 - 30/05/2022 16:10:34 2421174 Link
Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "Who's this big joe you refer too‽" I'd imagine they're referencing Joe Kernan for Armagh. Highandmighty (Leitrim) - Posts: 54 - 30/05/2022 16:11:22 2421176 Link
RTE acting like yesterday was the football apocalypse while treating Saturday's games like they were games for the ages, could they at least be consistent. PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 30/05/2022 16:11:25 2421177 Link
This is just the tip of the ice-berg; the defensive bore-fest is even worse at club level befair (Down) - Posts: 237 - 30/05/2022 16:31:26 2421187 Link