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Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney: "Capable of beating Dublin if Dublin were in the Ulster Championship - Tyrone, Monaghan, Armagh, Donegal and Derry." If your talking about these 5 teams having a chance to beat Dublin during there 6 in a row run you are completely deluded. Tyrone snuck in for an All Ireland last year without facing Dublin. In recent years Mayo and Kerry are the only teams who seriously put it up to Dublin. In recent years a game between Dublin and either Mayo/Kerry has been competitive if Mayo/ Kerry play to their best. But in recent years either Mayo/ Kerry, despite being the 'best of the rest', have sometimes been caught by a team below their level as they don't have near the same level of consistency that Dublin have. You're also not taking into account the effect of Dublin racking up titles on the other county squads in the province. It's harder to get players to commit to county squads when you know the chance of a provincial title is very small. This would happen in Ulster were Dublin to move there. Bringing Dublin to away bearpit type grounds will not happen due to Croke Park always being selected for all provincial semi finals/finals and most games involving Dublin. I would love to bring Dublin out of Croke Park if playing them in the championship as playing in unfamiliar surroundings would even the playing field a bit but do remember that due to having a 1.3 million population Dublin will have the majority attendance at any championship game they play. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1357 - 30/05/2022 14:03:13 2421096 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "Time for you to cop on to yourself , aint gonna happen kid ." And hence the world we live in where Dublin do not have the respect of their opponents. Even the Dubs are voting with their feet and keeping away! legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7870 - 30/05/2022 14:24:03 2421106 Link
Feels like we have these threads every year after the Dubs smite some unfortunate opponents in Leinster. When you consider that Kildare whooped Louth by a similar margin in an earlier round of the Leinster SFC, it really puts the gaps in quality into perspective. Likewise, in the Munster final Kerry beat Limerick by 23 points without David Clifford playing. The thing is, the first people to vote against any proposal to remove the provincial championships would be delegates from the weaker counties. So we will probably continue to have this groundhog day scenario play out for the next several years. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 30/05/2022 15:32:41 2421148 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "And hence the world we live in where Dublin do not have the respect of their opponents. Even the Dubs are voting with their feet and keeping away!" You're backing Dublin to beat Kerry in a few weeks so. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 30/05/2022 15:49:31 2421155 Link
The worst thing is, apathy is a problem in Dublin even. 20 years ago, many Dublin supporters would go out of their way to see a match. On Saturday, I didn't even think about driving up from Wexford for 1 minute. I knew Dublin would win and the only variable was the margin. I am a Dublin hurling fan first but also am a big fan of the footballers but to be quite frank, if the game isn't going to be competitive what is the point? The GAA had a gilt-edged opportunity to change things last year and decided against the radical reform which is needed. They allowed the Ulster counties and the frankly deluded Division 4 footballer who knows he wouldn't have a prayer of getting on the Dublin training panel to dictate their dreams of "the quest for Sam" when they know as well as anybody they don't even have a prayer of winning a provincial championship. Like, in every county there are senior, intermediate and junior teams. The junior team doesn't feel they have an automatic entitlement to play for the senior championship. The "prove your worth" mantra needs to be introduced at county level too. The only thing the GAA understand are gate receipts, sponsorship and eyes on TV screens and all 3 took a hit over the weekend. If they keep taking a hit, something might change. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1136 - 30/05/2022 15:58:10 2421163 Link
Replying To Viking66: "I dont think 5 Ulster counties would be beating Dublin neccessarily. But I'd say 5 are in the top 10 or so counties in the country. Kerry, Dublin, Galway, Roscommon, and Mayo being the other 5." For sure, pound for pound ulster is definitely the strongest and most competitive province, but I'd still back the dubs to beat any ulster team they might play this year. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1717 - 30/05/2022 17:21:45 2421216 Link
Replying To Galway9801: "For sure, pound for pound ulster is definitely the strongest and most competitive province, but I'd still back the dubs to beat any ulster team they might play this year." And Connaught plus all bar 1 in Munster. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 30/05/2022 17:28:49 2421223 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "Time for you to cop on to yourself , aint gonna happen kid ." I wouldn't be too bothered about that lad he's just a bitter kerryman who knows the game is up for them ! DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 30/05/2022 17:32:26 2421228 Link
Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney: "2014? You have to go back that long. Half of Div 1 are Ulster teams. There are no Leinster teams in the top flight. Granted that isn't the championship, but it's a measure as to where the standards across the provinces are at. There are at least 5 teams who are capable of beating Dublin in Ulster. There are none in Leinster." Tyrone too. There is not one team in ulster that would beat Dublin. Not one. 2014 last time a ulster team beat them. They'd walk it. Yes you'd have puke tactics all the time that would keep score down but they'd still wipe the floor with them royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/05/2022 17:59:51 2421236 Link
Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney: "Capable of beating Dublin if Dublin were in the Ulster Championship - Tyrone, Monaghan, Armagh, Donegal and Derry." Thanks. I needed a laugh royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/05/2022 18:01:49 2421237 Link
Replying To ExiledInWex: "The worst thing is, apathy is a problem in Dublin even. 20 years ago, many Dublin supporters would go out of their way to see a match. On Saturday, I didn't even think about driving up from Wexford for 1 minute. I knew Dublin would win and the only variable was the margin. I am a Dublin hurling fan first but also am a big fan of the footballers but to be quite frank, if the game isn't going to be competitive what is the point? The GAA had a gilt-edged opportunity to change things last year and decided against the radical reform which is needed. They allowed the Ulster counties and the frankly deluded Division 4 footballer who knows he wouldn't have a prayer of getting on the Dublin training panel to dictate their dreams of "the quest for Sam" when they know as well as anybody they don't even have a prayer of winning a provincial championship. Like, in every county there are senior, intermediate and junior teams. The junior team doesn't feel they have an automatic entitlement to play for the senior championship. The "prove your worth" mantra needs to be introduced at county level too. The only thing the GAA understand are gate receipts, sponsorship and eyes on TV screens and all 3 took a hit over the weekend. If they keep taking a hit, something might change." On the junior intermediate and senior levels. I do like the proposal, but even in that let's say 11, 11, 12 divide. Kildare would be senior and still get the hammering they got, actually Meath probably would be too. So how does that solve the problem ? Let's remember here a little over a month ago Derry who are been waxed lyrical here about needed a calamity with time almost up from our goal keeper to win a match against Meath that they had to win, Meath put out a somewhat experimental team as it was a dead rubber for them. The same Meath who were walloped by Dublin. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/05/2022 18:09:31 2421238 Link
In 10 seasons they've lost 2 championship games. Dublin aren't a Leinster championship problem alone. Dublin are pretty much a professional outfit playing in an amateur competition. I'm not sure how many all Irelands they need to win before the rest of the country realise this too. Perhaps it doesn't matter so much when there's still Ulster, Munster and Connaught championships to be won. But unless you're Dublin it's as hard to win a Leinster these days as an All Ireland. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 292 - 30/05/2022 18:58:47 2421247 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "And hence the world we live in where Dublin do not have the respect of their opponents. Even the Dubs are voting with their feet and keeping away!" Oh give over with your nonsense , your lot have voted with there feet since forever, only travel for the All Ireland final. superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 30/05/2022 19:01:45 2421248 Link
Reading comments on this forum it is plain to see that most people have their own agenda which is preplicated at congress. It seems people have more problem with Dublin than with the product that is gaelic football. I was a avid follower of football at intercounty level until recent years when it became largely unwatchable. To fix these issues requires thinking that i don't believe exists within the GAA. It is the product as much as the mismatches that needs addressing. Division 1 teams are hammering Division 2 team which i raised on this forum before but this isn't being acknowledged instead the narrative is to create the tailteann cup for division 3 & 4; problem solved except it is not. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1913 - 30/05/2022 21:01:15 2421268 Link
Ulster can have great games but this game in particular was awful. That does not mean that every game in ulster is brutal. If people actually enjoyed watching that game then I don't know LslashersFanatic (Longford) - Posts: 22 - 30/05/2022 21:13:28 2421270 Link
Replying To stillaroyal: "The stats for the Leinster Senior Football Chamoonship are stark as everyone already knows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship 17 out of the last 18 championships won by Dublin. They have a population similar to all the other counties combined - they have 61 titles almost three times the next nearest county, Meath, and the number of titles exceeds the combination of all counties except Meath. Attendance looked to be poor yesterday, even though the game was played alongside the Ladies final. If ANY of the powers that be in the GAA are reading this then can you answer this question: How many titles in a row do Dublin need to win before you do something about this competition? 12?, 15?, 20?,25? Or is it a head in the sand job with no real concern for the overall health of football in the province?" Rural counties are following the trend of rural clubs, but are about 10 years behind. By the end of this decade only counties with cities will have a chance winning Sam or Liam. My own county of Galway is a prime example, where 12 or 15 years ago tiny clubs like Caltra, Killererin and Portumna, with teams made up of brothers, cousins and close neighbors had a chance of winning County, Provincial and All Ireland titles. That day is gone forever, and the same clubs are already in, or teetering on being in junior competitions. Only Galway city clubs and large urban centers on the edge of the city will have a realistic chance of even a county title in the years to come. Claregalway are dominating underage but will likely be overtaken by Oranmore where there are currently 2500 children attending school. Families are getting smaller and the playing generation are gravitating to the city clubs. Without a strong club structure the counties will go into further decline. University cities, Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford will dominate. In Leinster this is already evident as Dublin simply have the numbers, not just in terms of players but trainers, sponsors, facilities etc. Already we see in hurling the rise of Limerick who, like the Dubs in football, have taken the game to a new level. 2 Universities and a large hospital and decent employment keeping numbers available locally to play. What about Cork, our second city you may ask. Well, in hurling they are coming but seem in decline in football. Cork is IMO an anomaly regarding football, there is no doubt they have the numbers and even now have top class players available, but like Meath, seem to be in denial as regards the arrival of modern football. Even the mighty dubs have 15 behind the ball when the are not in possession. The same faces are at the top in Cork for 40 years and change is frowned on for some reason. Now the Kingdom of Kerry are, in most eyes, in contention for SAM this year. They might manage it due to having unearthed a player of unbelievable ability, but if they don't that county will too continue to decline. Mayo, a huge county by geography, with several large towns, and where football is everything, have not managed to find one top of the pops forward since McDonald. They don't have the numbers, and will have less going forward. The fertility rate in Ireland has fallen to 1.7 which is well below the replacement rate. Families moving here from overseas will by in large go to the cities. Everything changes, nothing stays the same, that's just the way it is. In the short term counties, like clubs are already doing, will merge in an effort to find success. Only time will tell if that will succeed. giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1225 - 30/05/2022 21:45:40 2421272 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "Oh give over with your nonsense , your lot have voted with there feet since forever, only travel for the All Ireland final." We travel for an All-Ireland final, away from the comfort of home advantage! Kerry v Dublin in Thurles 2001, Dublin declined the option of a toss of a coin for home advantage. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7870 - 31/05/2022 10:03:43 2421300 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "On the junior intermediate and senior levels. I do like the proposal, but even in that let's say 11, 11, 12 divide. Kildare would be senior and still get the hammering they got, actually Meath probably would be too. So how does that solve the problem ? Let's remember here a little over a month ago Derry who are been waxed lyrical here about needed a calamity with time almost up from our goal keeper to win a match against Meath that they had to win, Meath put out a somewhat experimental team as it was a dead rubber for them. The same Meath who were walloped by Dublin." I get you royaldunne but there are clubs in every county who get beaten by 10 points in the same championship. In Wexford, results tend to be close but some years there are bad beatings. That said, I know the struggling senior team want to get up and test themselves against the best. But they get their on merit and there is no point in a junior club dreaming of taking on the senior champions because it is delusional. Water finds its level. No easy answers but its time people faced up to the fact that the "everybody competes for Sam" is just pure talk. 25 counties don't. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1136 - 31/05/2022 10:25:29 2421309 Link
Replying To giveitlong: "Rural counties are following the trend of rural clubs, but are about 10 years behind. By the end of this decade only counties with cities will have a chance winning Sam or Liam. My own county of Galway is a prime example, where 12 or 15 years ago tiny clubs like Caltra, Killererin and Portumna, with teams made up of brothers, cousins and close neighbors had a chance of winning County, Provincial and All Ireland titles. That day is gone forever, and the same clubs are already in, or teetering on being in junior competitions. Only Galway city clubs and large urban centers on the edge of the city will have a realistic chance of even a county title in the years to come. Claregalway are dominating underage but will likely be overtaken by Oranmore where there are currently 2500 children attending school. Families are getting smaller and the playing generation are gravitating to the city clubs. Without a strong club structure the counties will go into further decline. University cities, Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford will dominate. In Leinster this is already evident as Dublin simply have the numbers, not just in terms of players but trainers, sponsors, facilities etc. Already we see in hurling the rise of Limerick who, like the Dubs in football, have taken the game to a new level. 2 Universities and a large hospital and decent employment keeping numbers available locally to play. What about Cork, our second city you may ask. Well, in hurling they are coming but seem in decline in football. Cork is IMO an anomaly regarding football, there is no doubt they have the numbers and even now have top class players available, but like Meath, seem to be in denial as regards the arrival of modern football. Even the mighty dubs have 15 behind the ball when the are not in possession. The same faces are at the top in Cork for 40 years and change is frowned on for some reason. Now the Kingdom of Kerry are, in most eyes, in contention for SAM this year. They might manage it due to having unearthed a player of unbelievable ability, but if they don't that county will too continue to decline. Mayo, a huge county by geography, with several large towns, and where football is everything, have not managed to find one top of the pops forward since McDonald. They don't have the numbers, and will have less going forward. The fertility rate in Ireland has fallen to 1.7 which is well below the replacement rate. Families moving here from overseas will by in large go to the cities. Everything changes, nothing stays the same, that's just the way it is. In the short term counties, like clubs are already doing, will merge in an effort to find success. Only time will tell if that will succeed." I think you might be on to something there. In Kildare Naas pretty much won everything there was to win in the county last year. There is one big club in Naas where as the other bigger towns around have a couple of clubs. Our neighbors in Laois had Portlaiose winning the football championship year after year - when someone finally beat them it was Portarlington the second biggest town to do it rather than a smaller rural club putting in the hard graft. It seems fairly evident though - where ever there are more players playing there is a bigger pool to choose from and a better chance of success. Is this transitioning to the county game as well though? I think yes and no. It certainly looks that way in Leinster but it doesn't really look that way in Ulster, Munster or Connaught. The lure of a Connaught title or an Ulster title is plenty to keep minds focused in other counties and is just about keeping the game alive at the moment. In Leinster - I think theres a big "whats the point of all this" going on in most counties. Dublin have both been given so much and can also generate so much that they're streets ahead of everyone else in terms of preparation. The change needed is for the GAA to take more control of the back room set-ups in all counties. Specify what back room support is and can be available to county teams. For example if Dublin can have a dietitian and personal meal plans for every player - every county should be given that. If Dublin can have a team of video analysts - every team should be given that. We need to wake up and realise that the disparity in finance available to team preparation leads to a proportional disparity on the pitch. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 292 - 31/05/2022 11:03:52 2421321 Link
Replying To brianb: "I think you might be on to something there. In Kildare Naas pretty much won everything there was to win in the county last year. There is one big club in Naas where as the other bigger towns around have a couple of clubs. Our neighbors in Laois had Portlaiose winning the football championship year after year - when someone finally beat them it was Portarlington the second biggest town to do it rather than a smaller rural club putting in the hard graft. It seems fairly evident though - where ever there are more players playing there is a bigger pool to choose from and a better chance of success. Is this transitioning to the county game as well though? I think yes and no. It certainly looks that way in Leinster but it doesn't really look that way in Ulster, Munster or Connaught. The lure of a Connaught title or an Ulster title is plenty to keep minds focused in other counties and is just about keeping the game alive at the moment. In Leinster - I think theres a big "whats the point of all this" going on in most counties. Dublin have both been given so much and can also generate so much that they're streets ahead of everyone else in terms of preparation. The change needed is for the GAA to take more control of the back room set-ups in all counties. Specify what back room support is and can be available to county teams. For example if Dublin can have a dietitian and personal meal plans for every player - every county should be given that. If Dublin can have a team of video analysts - every team should be given that. We need to wake up and realise that the disparity in finance available to team preparation leads to a proportional disparity on the pitch." Backroom teams...... Does every team in Leinster get a former minister for finance. :D TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 31/05/2022 13:46:36 2421380 Link