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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Probably fed up with all the deplorable football and all the incompetence shown by referees and their officials during matches….. but sure it's all fine when you hear the top brass in the GAA talk… The best barometer of a sports popularity is the crowds it can attract to its games and as you pointed out the huge drop would rightly suggest people are rapidly loosing interest….!!!"
Football is 10 times the game it was in the 40s.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 24/05/2022 12:09:21    2419937

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Replying To giveitlong:  "Hawkeye was brought in on the basis that it would help umpires when the ball, especially in hurling, came in higher than the top of the uprights. There was a year of testing before it went live, during which only one score was called incorrectly by the umpires. If an umpire was unsure, he could call on the ref to ask for Hawkeye to check it. However, Hawkeye is sponsored by a big private company, which has their business advertised on TV and on the big screen every time it is used. After the first year or 2, we noticed that Hawkeye was no longer just being used when called upon by the umpire/ref, but was in fact intervening of its own (operators) accord and telling the ref to reverse decisions made by the match officials. The tail wagging the dog, again. Then we saw it used to wrongly award scores in hurling, where points had been saved by the keeper. IMO Hawkeye should only be used when called on by the ref, and never be used to overrule a decision of an umpire."
Umpires with referees have a difficult job especially in hurling at inter county matches where the modern sliotar and players can belt it so high that it makes the job of the umpire difficult to see and judge whether the shot is a wide or a point. Absolutely all would agree with that.
Your point seems to be that Hawkeye should be used just when the referee requests it.
Should the umpires have that power also as they are the people who may be unsure and they are in a position to make that particular judgement?
They can make that call immediately which I think looks better and speeds up the process instead of an umpire.looking at his compatriot and then communicating with the referee and having the referee asking if they are sure or unsure, possibly asking a linesman then for his.view and then requesting hawkeye to intervene.
To me, its a great system when used properly.

What would happen if the umpire makes a bad call and either gives a point that is wide or the opposite... and the referee accepts his judgement ? And after the powers that be and or.managers and players give out ?
The system works well, and no harm either when we have the technology to make big calls in big games that hawkeye intervenes if there is something that umpires and officials miss.

It's use should be primarily based on getting the decision right.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 24/05/2022 12:21:43    2419940

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Pretty simple. Hawkeye was in use, it wasn't needed as umpire was proven right, this is not what many posters here want to hear as it means they can't gripe, whinge or moan. GAA confirmed Hawkeye was used, move on, am sure the usual suspects will find something else to whinge about shortly"
Hoped that you would have been out supporting Westmeath's fine hurlers at the weekend, in their splendid win over Laois?

That you didn't travel, was it down to O'Moore Park having no Hawkeye in operation? Or was it just that it wasn't Westmeath footballers playing?

Your bluff has been called far too many times now, Clearitandpuke.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1911 - 24/05/2022 12:36:32    2419942

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Davy Fitz, who spent a lifetime as a goal keeper, explained very cogently why he was convinced the ball had not gone over the cross bar. The matter is over now over any way and good luck to Kilkenny."
From the video I saw it definitely looked like he brought ball down with hurley it diden't go over the crossbar.

A poster or 2 on here talking about whinging but you are hardly whinging all you want it fair play every team deserves that

clooney (Clare) - Posts: 888 - 24/05/2022 12:53:30    2419952

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Replying To Viking66:  "I did feel at the time Eoin Murphy batted it back that it was unlikely he could have if it had fully gone over the bar. But there's no point crying over spilt milk"
The problem with the GAA is that they spill far too much milk…!!!!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 24/05/2022 12:58:39    2419954

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Mind boggling how posters refuse to believe that Hawkeye was in use and can detect sliotar clearing crossbar. Now poor attendances being blamed on GAA and officials by some posters!!"
And what would you put it down to …: and Hawkeye can't obviously detect whether the ball crosses the crossbar but believe what you want…. you are easily taken in by all accounts…!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 24/05/2022 13:03:21    2419955

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Replying To Viking66:  "I did feel at the time Eoin Murphy batted it back that it was unlikely he could have if it had fully gone over the bar. But there's no point crying over spilt milk"
The problem with the GAA is that they spill far too much milk…!!!!!!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 24/05/2022 13:03:45    2419956

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Mind boggling how posters refuse to believe that Hawkeye was in use and can detect sliotar clearing crossbar. Now poor attendances being blamed on GAA and officials by some posters!!"
You seem to be ignoring a few points made. TG4 confirmed that the explanation they got was that Hawkeye could not be used on the day to determine whether a sliotar had crossed behind the crossbar.
It has been used for this purpose before in Croke Park, but TG4 were told that the technology wasn't sufficient for this purpose on Sunday.

That means one of two things:
1. The system in Semple Stadium is different to that in Croke Park and is only able to be used to check if the sliotar went between the posts.
2. The GAA have found an issue with the technology overall in its ability to check if a sliotar has cleared the crossbar.

Whichever it is, a statement of a few lines from the GAA would easily clarify the situation for everyone.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2042 - 24/05/2022 13:27:06    2419958

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Mind boggling how posters refuse to believe that Hawkeye was in use and can detect sliotar clearing crossbar. Now poor attendances being blamed on GAA and officials by some posters!!"
One question Claretandblue - have you ever seen an explanation as to how hawkeye can detect a sliotar clearing the crossbar and, if so, why it isn't possible to show a graphic to that effect?

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 543 - 24/05/2022 13:33:19    2419961

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Football is 10 times the game it was in the 40s."
Yes it is. But that fella lives in the past, wouldn't be listening to him

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 24/05/2022 14:04:27    2419972

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "The problem with the GAA is that they spill far too much milk…!!!!!!!"
It's very frustrating alright!!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 24/05/2022 14:17:29    2419978

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Replying To midlands:  "One question Claretandblue - have you ever seen an explanation as to how hawkeye can detect a sliotar clearing the crossbar and, if so, why it isn't possible to show a graphic to that effect?"
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Good question. No talk about over the crossbar here, only if it's between the posts. I'm assuming if they've a method to detect it's between the posts and past the goal-line, they should be able to be detect the height of the ball and if it's over the crossbar, but not sure at all.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 24/05/2022 14:21:35    2419982

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Football is 10 times the game it was in the 40s."
Nobody mentioned the 40's but maybe you are old enough to remember it…. You would wonder with the present game so good ( in your deluded mind ) why attendance figures have dropped so much…. I suspect most people are not as deluded as you are…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 24/05/2022 16:24:38    2420020

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Nobody mentioned the 40's but maybe you are old enough to remember it…. You would wonder with the present game so good ( in your deluded mind ) why attendance figures have dropped so much…. I suspect most people are not as deluded as you are…"
In fairness the boroadband signal was poor enough in the 40s, so people couldn't stay at home streaming games or watching them on RTE, TG4, BBC, Sky, GAA GO or even have other such distractions like the young folk have in 2022, like Netflix, Spotify etc or playing other sports. Or the popular thing now with the young folk is taking the phone for a walk, but really it looks like the phone is taking them for a walk. At first glance they don't seem to have much initiative but they'll suprise us again and again.

For some reason talking about the good old days Kevin McAleer sprung to mind. My Dad would remember the 40s, I remember the games in the 70s. Hard hitting, no hair products and men thwt'd have a pint after an intercounty game and not be checking their fitbits for carbcounts in the chipper on the way home. They were only the good old days if you thought they were good old days, otherwise they're far back hills of green, or green and red in my case. Todays days are great days too, just a lot different to the old days, in sporting and other ways. Still plenty of good games and bad ones too that some newspapers will be delighted to tell you bad news stories about. Fk them.

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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 24/05/2022 17:24:46    2420037

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "You seem to be ignoring a few points made. TG4 confirmed that the explanation they got was that Hawkeye could not be used on the day to determine whether a sliotar had crossed behind the crossbar.
It has been used for this purpose before in Croke Park, but TG4 were told that the technology wasn't sufficient for this purpose on Sunday.

That means one of two things:
1. The system in Semple Stadium is different to that in Croke Park and is only able to be used to check if the sliotar went between the posts.
2. The GAA have found an issue with the technology overall in its ability to check if a sliotar has cleared the crossbar.

Whichever it is, a statement of a few lines from the GAA would easily clarify the situation for everyone."
I agree with this post & the questions that could be very simply answered.

Surely the GAA PR Dept could come out & explain in detail exactly how the system works, a very simple task.
Instead with all the secrecy & silence & by stubbornly saying nothing, it looks like there is something to hide.
People appreciate information & even if it is not palatable to them, if its correct, people will usually accept it.
When there is an information vaccum you will get varying stories & conspiracy theories, so a very simple statement of fact would eliminate all that talk.
Croke Park has a lot of very highly paid staff, so its surely possible.

Another issue which could be clarified, is whether the referee & his officials, the players & their management teams, the media/ TV were all made aware that Hawkeye would be in operation on the day, as it is claimed it was.
This after all was an All Ireland final & occasions like this usually have a series of protocols involved, i.e. times team enter grounds, which end they warm up on, National Anthem etc, so it would help clear up any doubt or conjecture over who knew what.
Transparency on the whole issue would be a help.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 24/05/2022 20:37:54    2420059

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Mind boggling how posters refuse to believe that Hawkeye was in use and can detect sliotar clearing crossbar. Now poor attendances being blamed on GAA and officials by some posters!!"
Just have a look at the incident, it clearly wasn't a point. We'll done to KK they deserved their win, Limerick manager didn't make an issue of it, move on.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 817 - 24/05/2022 21:57:33    2420069

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well from I can have heard recently there is now a sensor in the ball and you would think that should be designed to be of some help in this situation. Anyway, the fact that a facility which is in situ was not used indicates a total disregard by the bug wigs in the GAA for these fine sportsmen."
OTM. My understanding is the current "chip" that's in the new Sliotars is only to confirm they are official size weight etc. the ref can actually scan them. What he uses to scan I'm not sure. There is talks that these new smart sliotars will soon replace Hawkeye. Apparently it's much better technology, easier to install, operate and maintain.

Regarding the "point" on Sunday if Hawkeye was in operation for crossbar technology, it can determine retrospectively if the ball was over or not. I've since heard that the upright technology was in use last Sunday but the crossbar technology wasn't….. which seems very strange to me.

In the Kilkenny Wexford match the umpire didn't flag a point until the play was brought back by the referee. In this case there was communication between the ref & Hawkeye people.

The issue on Sunday was the umpire made a big boo boo. The Sliotar clearly didn't go over the bar. He obviously got a rush of blood and awarded it. Before refs and umpires make big decisions, they need to stop and think for a second. Nobody for one second in the stadium or watching on TV would have pushed for that point to be awarded if the umpire hadn't called it!

This "over the crossbar" issue could easily be resolved. It's a great skill for a goalkeeper to bring a ball down in that situation. Whether it really crosses the bar or not shouldn't matter. If the keeper brings it down play on and no point. Award that skill.

Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 25/05/2022 08:56:26    2420077

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Replying To Seeking_silver:  "OTM. My understanding is the current "chip" that's in the new Sliotars is only to confirm they are official size weight etc. the ref can actually scan them. What he uses to scan I'm not sure. There is talks that these new smart sliotars will soon replace Hawkeye. Apparently it's much better technology, easier to install, operate and maintain.

Regarding the "point" on Sunday if Hawkeye was in operation for crossbar technology, it can determine retrospectively if the ball was over or not. I've since heard that the upright technology was in use last Sunday but the crossbar technology wasn't….. which seems very strange to me.

In the Kilkenny Wexford match the umpire didn't flag a point until the play was brought back by the referee. In this case there was communication between the ref & Hawkeye people.

The issue on Sunday was the umpire made a big boo boo. The Sliotar clearly didn't go over the bar. He obviously got a rush of blood and awarded it. Before refs and umpires make big decisions, they need to stop and think for a second. Nobody for one second in the stadium or watching on TV would have pushed for that point to be awarded if the umpire hadn't called it!

This "over the crossbar" issue could easily be resolved. It's a great skill for a goalkeeper to bring a ball down in that situation. Whether it really crosses the bar or not shouldn't matter. If the keeper brings it down play on and no point. Award that skill."
I agree. Reward that skill. That wouldve meant we would've got to the Leinster final last year!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 25/05/2022 09:50:57    2420086

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Replying To Seeking_silver:  "OTM. My understanding is the current "chip" that's in the new Sliotars is only to confirm they are official size weight etc. the ref can actually scan them. What he uses to scan I'm not sure. There is talks that these new smart sliotars will soon replace Hawkeye. Apparently it's much better technology, easier to install, operate and maintain.

Regarding the "point" on Sunday if Hawkeye was in operation for crossbar technology, it can determine retrospectively if the ball was over or not. I've since heard that the upright technology was in use last Sunday but the crossbar technology wasn't….. which seems very strange to me.

In the Kilkenny Wexford match the umpire didn't flag a point until the play was brought back by the referee. In this case there was communication between the ref & Hawkeye people.

The issue on Sunday was the umpire made a big boo boo. The Sliotar clearly didn't go over the bar. He obviously got a rush of blood and awarded it. Before refs and umpires make big decisions, they need to stop and think for a second. Nobody for one second in the stadium or watching on TV would have pushed for that point to be awarded if the umpire hadn't called it!

This "over the crossbar" issue could easily be resolved. It's a great skill for a goalkeeper to bring a ball down in that situation. Whether it really crosses the bar or not shouldn't matter. If the keeper brings it down play on and no point. Award that skill."
If the ball goes behind the crossbar it a point simple… it's no great skill putting the hurl up and stopping the ball going over… In the same way if a goalkeeper stands a meter behind the line and makes a point blank save should there be no goal awarded… bonkers stuff… If the ball goes behind the line or crossbar it's a score but the issue is that Hawkeye and all it cost cannot determine this and the GAA are as usual too embarrassed to admit it…. simple

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1928 - 25/05/2022 10:05:16    2420096

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "If the ball goes behind the crossbar it a point simple… it's no great skill putting the hurl up and stopping the ball going over… In the same way if a goalkeeper stands a meter behind the line and makes a point blank save should there be no goal awarded… bonkers stuff… If the ball goes behind the line or crossbar it's a score but the issue is that Hawkeye and all it cost cannot determine this and the GAA are as usual too embarrassed to admit it…. simple"
Should be like goal-line technology used in soccer. Top of the crossbar is the goal line and some point a few feet over the crossbar your new 'goal'. If all the ball passes the plane of that goal it's a point, even if it's in the keepers hand, which isn't easy to judge in his hand. I don't know if they already have something similar, system on last page is based on the trajectory of the ball not being impeded. Maybe too much more expense to add it in to an already expensive system.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 25/05/2022 10:55:05    2420111

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