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Replying To GreenandRed: "There's no long queue for volunteers waiting to officiate GAA games." No there isn't, but don't tell me the GAA couldn't have asked Tomas Walsh who the best 4 club referees are in Waterford and asked him to bring them as umpires? They could also then call penalties, square balls, etc with a rule change. These decisions are huge and as one of the referee defenders on here, we need to do more to help them rather than just criticising them more. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 23/05/2022 15:24:43 2419766 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Sorry to disappoint everyone but Hawkeye was in use in Thurles for under 20 match, yes Hawkeye can determine whether ball had cleared crossbar as happened in instance previous poster referred to. Umpire made correct call yesterday, otherwise Hawkeye would have intervened." I think people are making valid points here, but they might be getting mixed. 1. Hawkeye has been used numerous times in the past to determine if a ball had cleared the crossbar. As was mentioned, this was done in the Tipp vs Wexford semi final in 2019 and the Kilkenny vs Wexford Leinster semi final last year. 2. However, as others have mentioned there appears to be an issue with Hawkeye being used for this purpose. I believe the GAA have stopped using it for this as it only measures the sliotar's position and trajectory in relation to the goalposts. As a result, it would indicate a point in any scenario in which a sliotar was stopped from going over the bar. 3. The GAA need to come out and clarify this. It should be very easy to explain and would ensure we all know what's what. This type of stuff should be fundamental. The ambiguity and confusion can lead to far more frustration than the incidents themselves. A basic explanation of what Hawkeye is and isn't used for, and why that's the case. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 23/05/2022 15:59:31 2419790 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Sorry to disappoint everyone but Hawkeye was in use in Thurles for under 20 match, yes Hawkeye can determine whether ball had cleared crossbar as happened in instance previous poster referred to. Umpire made correct call yesterday, otherwise Hawkeye would have intervened." If it's true that hawkeye can determine whether the ball has cleared the crossbar, surely it should be able to provide a graphic to that effect. In the absence of such a graphic it's only natural that people will continue to have doubts about its legitimacy. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 542 - 23/05/2022 16:05:13 2419794 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Sorry to disappoint everyone but Hawkeye was in use in Thurles for under 20 match, yes Hawkeye can determine whether ball had cleared crossbar as happened in instance previous poster referred to. Umpire made correct call yesterday, otherwise Hawkeye would have intervened." "Limerick had reason to feel hard done by after HawkEye wasn't called upon to adjudicate on a controversial Kilkenny point in yesterday's All-Ireland U20HC final at FBD Semple Stadium. Both Limerick manager Diarmuid Mullins and his Kilkenny counterpart Derek Lyng questioned why the score detection system wasn't used..." Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2466 - 23/05/2022 16:08:48 2419795 Link
Replying To clooney: "I agree indeed just making point that it was not sore grapes that complaints were being made it could have been a totally different picture if Xtra time had to be played" Point taken and yes I agree KK deserved their win and are no way at fault for what is yet another debacle. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 23/05/2022 16:17:30 2419799 Link
Replying To WanPintWin: "I think people are making valid points here, but they might be getting mixed. 1. Hawkeye has been used numerous times in the past to determine if a ball had cleared the crossbar. As was mentioned, this was done in the Tipp vs Wexford semi final in 2019 and the Kilkenny vs Wexford Leinster semi final last year. 2. However, as others have mentioned there appears to be an issue with Hawkeye being used for this purpose. I believe the GAA have stopped using it for this as it only measures the sliotar's position and trajectory in relation to the goalposts. As a result, it would indicate a point in any scenario in which a sliotar was stopped from going over the bar. 3. The GAA need to come out and clarify this. It should be very easy to explain and would ensure we all know what's what. This type of stuff should be fundamental. The ambiguity and confusion can lead to far more frustration than the incidents themselves. A basic explanation of what Hawkeye is and isn't used for, and why that's the case." Spot on. There needs to be an explanation. Bet we never hear one. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11849 - 23/05/2022 16:19:57 2419801 Link
Pretty simple. Hawkeye was in use, it wasn't needed as umpire was proven right, this is not what many posters here want to hear as it means they can't gripe, whinge or moan. GAA confirmed Hawkeye was used, move on, am sure the usual suspects will find something else to whinge about shortly Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1489 - 23/05/2022 16:29:12 2419810 Link
The GAA have previously stated that Hawkeye could not be used as goal-line technology, as additional high-speed cameras would be needed, and this would be too expensive. Thus, I cannot see how it could be used correctly for over the crossbar technology. Posters saying that it has been used previously in this instant or that instant, does not indicate that it was used correctly in this instance or that instance! Also, I don't think it is sufficient for the GAA to come out with a statement saying that Hawkeye can work appropriately without explaining how it can do so. Note, this is a Hawkeye query, nothing to do with KK winning (deservedly) yesterday Setanta11 (Louth) - Posts: 42 - 23/05/2022 16:43:51 2419819 Link
Replying To Viking66: "Hawkeye in Croke Park at the Leinster semi final determined that the ball had gone over the bar before Eoin Murphy batted it back into play before Conor Mcdonald scored what would've been the winning goal. The goal was ruled out and a point awarded instead resulting in extra time. So Hawkeye obviously can determine if a ball went over the bar. Or can it?" This particular issue grates with me… several times hawk eye has intervened to award points that a goalkeeper bats back into play…. Is he not allowed put his hurl over the crossbar or does anyone know if it's a rule… There is little chance a goalkeeper could bat a ball back down that has actually gone past the back of the crossbar… he might be able to deflect it upwards because the angle his hurl would have to be when above the crossbar… It's my belief that Hawkeye can only determine if a ball goes between the posts but not if it actually goes past the width of the crossbar which the whole of the ball must do to be considered a score…. This been the case it is a major problem especially in Hurling… What do much more knowledgeable hurling people than me think on this issue…? ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1927 - 23/05/2022 16:50:13 2419823 Link
The company behind Hawkeye confirmed back in 2019 that the system in Croke Park can detect whether or not the ball has passed over the crossbar, and not just between the posts: https://www.the42.ie/hawk-eye-john-donnelly-point-all-ireland-final-kilkenny-4774691-Aug2019/ Interesting however that their spokesperson specified Croke Park, and didn't mention Thurles, or talk about Hawkeye in general. Wonder is there a chance that the system is different in Thurles? Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2247 - 23/05/2022 16:59:32 2419828 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Pretty simple. Hawkeye was in use, it wasn't needed as umpire was proven right, this is not what many posters here want to hear as it means they can't gripe, whinge or moan. GAA confirmed Hawkeye was used, move on, am sure the usual suspects will find something else to whinge about shortly" I think you might be oversimplifying it. I understand that Hawkeye is not being used anymore for situations where the sliotar is stopped from going over the bar. It was used for this previously, but I believe there are issues with this. The explanation the TG4 team got was that the technology isn't suitable to detect this currently. The video with their explanation (as Gaeilge) is in this link. https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/323588 If this is the case, the GAA should make this very clear. A simple statement with one paragraph would do the job. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2040 - 23/05/2022 17:05:31 2419830 Link
Well clearandblue ive learnt a lot about Hawkeye in past 24 hours..I'd like Gaa to explain its full use..ive limited Irish but in watching a full rerun of match,I'm almost certain they said Hawkeye proved the ball wasn't over the bar..it don't matter now,match is over,killkenny are champions..just a pity that it hasn't been explained.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2216 - 23/05/2022 17:13:44 2419833 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Pretty simple. Hawkeye was in use, it wasn't needed as umpire was proven right, this is not what many posters here want to hear as it means they can't gripe, whinge or moan. GAA confirmed Hawkeye was used, move on, am sure the usual suspects will find something else to whinge about shortly" Hawkeye wasnt used during the u20 game so Limerick do have a right to feel aggreived, have to feel sorry for young lads training all year and to be let down by the powers at be who for some reason decided against using it thetruth12 (Limerick) - Posts: 28 - 23/05/2022 17:50:54 2419839 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Pretty simple. Hawkeye was in use, it wasn't needed as umpire was proven right, this is not what many posters here want to hear as it means they can't gripe, whinge or moan. GAA confirmed Hawkeye was used, move on, am sure the usual suspects will find something else to whinge about shortly" But of course they would claim it was in use. 'They would, wouldn't they'. Both the Managers seemed to feel it was not. The whole thing is a shambles. Twenty one years ago there was 34,000 people at an under 21 Final, there was not 6,000 in Thurles at the start of the game yesterday. There was less than 5,000 at the Under Munster Final this year, where there 20,000 at a number of similar event twenty years ago. Despite that there was no program to be had ten minutes before the game started. Where have all the Crowds gone? Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 23/05/2022 18:40:57 2419846 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Pretty simple. Hawkeye was in use, it wasn't needed as umpire was proven right, this is not what many posters here want to hear as it means they can't gripe, whinge or moan. GAA confirmed Hawkeye was used, move on, am sure the usual suspects will find something else to whinge about shortly" So Hawkeye was in use? "Pretty simple"? So simple that nobody, the supporters at the game, the teams, team managers and TG4, didn't know that it was in use. Yeah, let's 'move on', we don't want to dell on another farcical GAA incident. Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2466 - 23/05/2022 22:02:03 2419866 Link
Hawkeye was brought in on the basis that it would help umpires when the ball, especially in hurling, came in higher than the top of the uprights. There was a year of testing before it went live, during which only one score was called incorrectly by the umpires. If an umpire was unsure, he could call on the ref to ask for Hawkeye to check it. However, Hawkeye is sponsored by a big private company, which has their business advertised on TV and on the big screen every time it is used. After the first year or 2, we noticed that Hawkeye was no longer just being used when called upon by the umpire/ref, but was in fact intervening of its own (operators) accord and telling the ref to reverse decisions made by the match officials. The tail wagging the dog, again. Then we saw it used to wrongly award scores in hurling, where points had been saved by the keeper. IMO Hawkeye should only be used when called on by the ref, and never be used to overrule a decision of an umpire. giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1222 - 24/05/2022 09:34:32 2419878 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "But of course they would claim it was in use. 'They would, wouldn't they'. Both the Managers seemed to feel it was not. The whole thing is a shambles. Twenty one years ago there was 34,000 people at an under 21 Final, there was not 6,000 in Thurles at the start of the game yesterday. There was less than 5,000 at the Under Munster Final this year, where there 20,000 at a number of similar event twenty years ago. Despite that there was no program to be had ten minutes before the game started. Where have all the Crowds gone?" Probably fed up with all the deplorable football and all the incompetence shown by referees and their officials during matches….. but sure it's all fine when you hear the top brass in the GAA talk… The best barometer of a sports popularity is the crowds it can attract to its games and as you pointed out the huge drop would rightly suggest people are rapidly loosing interest….!!! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1927 - 24/05/2022 10:04:42 2419885 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "This particular issue grates with me… several times hawk eye has intervened to award points that a goalkeeper bats back into play…. Is he not allowed put his hurl over the crossbar or does anyone know if it's a rule… There is little chance a goalkeeper could bat a ball back down that has actually gone past the back of the crossbar… he might be able to deflect it upwards because the angle his hurl would have to be when above the crossbar… It's my belief that Hawkeye can only determine if a ball goes between the posts but not if it actually goes past the width of the crossbar which the whole of the ball must do to be considered a score…. This been the case it is a major problem especially in Hurling… What do much more knowledgeable hurling people than me think on this issue…?" I did feel at the time Eoin Murphy batted it back that it was unlikely he could have if it had fully gone over the bar. But there's no point crying over spilt milk Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11849 - 24/05/2022 10:25:39 2419888 Link
Replying To Setanta11: "The GAA have previously stated that Hawkeye could not be used as goal-line technology, as additional high-speed cameras would be needed, and this would be too expensive. Thus, I cannot see how it could be used correctly for over the crossbar technology. Posters saying that it has been used previously in this instant or that instant, does not indicate that it was used correctly in this instance or that instance! Also, I don't think it is sufficient for the GAA to come out with a statement saying that Hawkeye can work appropriately without explaining how it can do so. Note, this is a Hawkeye query, nothing to do with KK winning (deservedly) yesterday" Davy Fitz, who spent a lifetime as a goal keeper, explained very cogently why he was convinced the ball had not gone over the cross bar. The matter is over now over any way and good luck to Kilkenny. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 24/05/2022 11:08:55 2419915 Link
Mind boggling how posters refuse to believe that Hawkeye was in use and can detect sliotar clearing crossbar. Now poor attendances being blamed on GAA and officials by some posters!! Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1489 - 24/05/2022 11:22:37 2419921 Link