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There is a lot of talk that the NHL division 1a & 1B this year was merely a warm up for the championship. Some going so far as to call it farcical. This has raised its head again recently as the Limerick, Clare & Galway, who did poor in the league, are currently top dogs in Munster and Leinster.
My proposal is as follows.
If two or three teams in the Championship round robins end up on the same points, use their NHL performance to decide who goes through in the championship. This is currently a little tricky as the groups have a mix of teams that is different from the round robins. However, I'm sure with a bit of thought all 1a & 1B NHL teams could be given an overall placing.
To start with we could go with the following;
If two teams met in the NHL, the head to head in the league counts for the championship.
If two teams draw in the NHL the score difference of the NHL group counts for the championship.
Wexford & Kk were all in the same NHL group so that would certainty add a bit of spice. Likewise Waterford and & Tipp. The head to head of Waterford & Cork in the NHL final would override their head to head in the championship …… food for thought??
I think fans & Allianz deserve a bit more. My own county are probably the worst culprits this year.
Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 21/05/2022 09:08:26
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Replying To Seeking_silver: "There is a lot of talk that the NHL division 1a & 1B this year was merely a warm up for the championship. Some going so far as to call it farcical. This has raised its head again recently as the Limerick, Clare & Galway, who did poor in the league, are currently top dogs in Munster and Leinster.
My proposal is as follows.
If two or three teams in the Championship round robins end up on the same points, use their NHL performance to decide who goes through in the championship. This is currently a little tricky as the groups have a mix of teams that is different from the round robins. However, I'm sure with a bit of thought all 1a & 1B NHL teams could be given an overall placing.
To start with we could go with the following;
If two teams met in the NHL, the head to head in the league counts for the championship.
If two teams draw in the NHL the score difference of the NHL group counts for the championship.
Wexford & Kk were all in the same NHL group so that would certainty add a bit of spice. Likewise Waterford and & Tipp. The head to head of Waterford & Cork in the NHL final would override their head to head in the championship …… food for thought??
I think fans & Allianz deserve a bit more. My own county are probably the worst culprits this year." I would just go for a div 1 and then div 2
You can only win the league from div 1.
Div 2 this year would then be Westmeath, laois, Antrim, Limerick, Clare and Tipp.
If Limerick want to take it handy in the league it'd be good games for Westmeath, Laois and Antrim to build from.
skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 21/05/2022 15:51:26
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I think the league is as it's always been. Preparation for the championship.
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 21/05/2022 16:14:28
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Replying To Seeking_silver: "There is a lot of talk that the NHL division 1a & 1B this year was merely a warm up for the championship. Some going so far as to call it farcical. This has raised its head again recently as the Limerick, Clare & Galway, who did poor in the league, are currently top dogs in Munster and Leinster.
My proposal is as follows.
If two or three teams in the Championship round robins end up on the same points, use their NHL performance to decide who goes through in the championship. This is currently a little tricky as the groups have a mix of teams that is different from the round robins. However, I'm sure with a bit of thought all 1a & 1B NHL teams could be given an overall placing.
To start with we could go with the following;
If two teams met in the NHL, the head to head in the league counts for the championship.
If two teams draw in the NHL the score difference of the NHL group counts for the championship.
Wexford & Kk were all in the same NHL group so that would certainty add a bit of spice. Likewise Waterford and & Tipp. The head to head of Waterford & Cork in the NHL final would override their head to head in the championship …… food for thought??
I think fans & Allianz deserve a bit more. My own county are probably the worst culprits this year." " If two or three teams in the Championship round robins end up on the same points, use their NHL performance to decide who goes through in the championship."
Total madness. Put a match to your ill-founded notion immediately!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2219 - 21/05/2022 17:26:46
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Replying To foreveryoung: "" If two or three teams in the Championship round robins end up on the same points, use their NHL performance to decide who goes through in the championship."
Total madness. Put a match to your ill-founded notion immediately!" Give reasons
Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 22/05/2022 08:27:36
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The Division 2A winner should be promoted to Division 1B. The Division 1B winner should be promoted to Division 1A. It doesn't need to be complicated at all.
In 2A this year, 2nd played 3rd in the semi-final. The winner then played the top team in the final. All divisions can have the same structure. Let's just get on with the game and allow teams earn their league ranking on merit. If you finish 6th, take your medicine and accept relegation.
If you are a Division 1A manager, find the right balance between being competitive and developmental. Galway and Limerick have shown that 1B does not need to be feared and it can provide a competitive level of hurling in preparation for the All-Ireland.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8784 - 22/05/2022 11:50:25
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In both codes I'd love the season to just be 2 league campaigns.
NHL you'd have 5 divisions of 6 and 1 of 5, (or alternatively 5 divisions of 7). I'd number them championship 1 to championship 6 rather than 1a, 1b etc.
1.5 up and down. 1 automatically up and down from each division. 2nd last in each division plays off against 2nd in the lower division for promotion/relegation.
Top 2 in the top division in each campaign, Spring championship (February, March, April) and Summer championship (May, June) qualify for the All Ireland playoffs. Teams qualifying twice go straight to the final, teams qualifying once go into a semifinal.
In football it'd be the same but 4 divisions of 8 with 2 up and 2 down for relegation.
In hurling you'd get teams playing 10 meaningful championship fixtures each season. Spring championship 2 you'd have 3 of the big 9 battling to get into the Summer championship 1. You'd have 3 of the developing counties get a shot at stronger counties. You'd have teams battling to progress at all levels.
Championship 1 you've teams battling for an All Ireland playoffs place and to avoid relegation.
Basically it'd be a system to get as many meaningful matches in for all teams each year in each code.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4522 - 22/05/2022 12:38:39
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The league final this year was the weekend of April 2nd/3rd. The provincial championships then started 2 weeks later on April 16th/17th. Some managers lamented that the gap from league final to round robin needs an extra week.
The National Hurling League Rounds 1, 2 and 3 should be on consecutive weekends e.g. Jan 30, Feb 06 and Feb 13. After a rest week, Rounds 4 and 5 should be on consecutive weekends e.g. Feb 27 and Mar 06. The semi-finals can be on Mar 13. The final can be on Mar 20 or Mar 27. This will allow a 3 or 4 week gap from the league final to provincial championship.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8784 - 09/06/2022 07:45:43
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Replying To Whammo86: "In both codes I'd love the season to just be 2 league campaigns.
NHL you'd have 5 divisions of 6 and 1 of 5, (or alternatively 5 divisions of 7). I'd number them championship 1 to championship 6 rather than 1a, 1b etc.
1.5 up and down. 1 automatically up and down from each division. 2nd last in each division plays off against 2nd in the lower division for promotion/relegation.
Top 2 in the top division in each campaign, Spring championship (February, March, April) and Summer championship (May, June) qualify for the All Ireland playoffs. Teams qualifying twice go straight to the final, teams qualifying once go into a semifinal.
In football it'd be the same but 4 divisions of 8 with 2 up and 2 down for relegation.
In hurling you'd get teams playing 10 meaningful championship fixtures each season. Spring championship 2 you'd have 3 of the big 9 battling to get into the Summer championship 1. You'd have 3 of the developing counties get a shot at stronger counties. You'd have teams battling to progress at all levels.
Championship 1 you've teams battling for an All Ireland playoffs place and to avoid relegation.
Basically it'd be a system to get as many meaningful matches in for all teams each year in each code." We did have something like that for a few years at the end of the last decade with the old 1a and 1b.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15714 - 09/06/2022 10:02:20
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Replying To legendzxix: "The league final this year was the weekend of April 2nd/3rd. The provincial championships then started 2 weeks later on April 16th/17th. Some managers lamented that the gap from league final to round robin needs an extra week.
The National Hurling League Rounds 1, 2 and 3 should be on consecutive weekends e.g. Jan 30, Feb 06 and Feb 13. After a rest week, Rounds 4 and 5 should be on consecutive weekends e.g. Feb 27 and Mar 06. The semi-finals can be on Mar 13. The final can be on Mar 20 or Mar 27. This will allow a 3 or 4 week gap from the league final to provincial championship." You need to leave more gaps for weather at that time of year. At least 1 maybe 2 more off weeks. Maybe start Jan 14th?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15714 - 09/06/2022 10:03:33
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Replying To Viking66: "You need to leave more gaps for weather at that time of year. At least 1 maybe 2 more off weeks. Maybe start Jan 14th?" There is 1 gap week already. Round 5 could be held a week later. The final would still be played 3 weeks before the start of the provincial championships.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8784 - 09/06/2022 11:59:24
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Replying To legendzxix: "There is 1 gap week already. Round 5 could be held a week later. The final would still be played 3 weeks before the start of the provincial championships." What's wrong with starting a bit earlier?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15714 - 09/06/2022 12:37:48
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Replying To Viking66: "What's wrong with starting a bit earlier?" The pre league competitions have a place. There are enough weekends from the last weekend of January to mid April, to allow the league be complete and also give the league finalists 3 weeks rest before the provincial championships.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8784 - 09/06/2022 13:16:51
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Replying To legendzxix: "The pre league competitions have a place. There are enough weekends from the last weekend of January to mid April, to allow the league be complete and also give the league finalists 3 weeks rest before the provincial championships." 1 week gap for weather is unlikely to be enough. Also no gap to the semis or final
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15714 - 09/06/2022 13:42:52
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Replying To Viking66: "1 week gap for weather is unlikely to be enough. Also no gap to the semis or final" Feb 20 is free. The final can be on Mar 20 or Mar 27. This is where a second weekend can be utilised if there happens to be 2 rounds of postponed games. In a worse case scenario, the final would be played on Apr 02/03, the same weekend as this year, if a third round of fixtures had been unexpectedly postponed.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8784 - 09/06/2022 14:04:59
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Replying To legendzxix: "Feb 20 is free. The final can be on Mar 20 or Mar 27. This is where a second weekend can be utilised if there happens to be 2 rounds of postponed games. In a worse case scenario, the final would be played on Apr 02/03, the same weekend as this year, if a third round of fixtures had been unexpectedly postponed." Why couldn't the pre season comps start in December instead of January?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15714 - 09/06/2022 14:25:42
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Replying To Viking66: "Why couldn't the pre season comps start in December instead of January?" Clubs? Players?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8784 - 09/06/2022 15:20:27
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Replying To legendzxix: "Clubs? Players?" The club championships overrun the start of the league anyway legendzxix. And teams are playing challenge games then anyway.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15714 - 09/06/2022 15:44:49
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Replying To Viking66: "The club championships overrun the start of the league anyway legendzxix. And teams are playing challenge games then anyway." The Club Championships aren't supposed to overlap the national leagues any more. In football, league ranking is used for All-Ireland qualification.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8784 - 09/06/2022 18:43:01
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Replying To legendzxix: "The Club Championships aren't supposed to overlap the national leagues any more. In football, league ranking is used for All-Ireland qualification." County club championships are over by end October. AI club championships always overlapped the League and still do.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15714 - 10/06/2022 12:15:26
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