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With the quality of Antrim and Offaly currently in the McDonagh Cup, and both having been in Division 1 this year, should the Leinster Championship expand to 8 teams? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 19/05/2022 10:36:56 2418610 Link 0 |
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Would that not weaken the Joe Mac?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 19/05/2022 11:07:56 2418617 Link 0 |
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I'd be in favour of expanding the NHL & MacCarthy cup and keeping the system for a five year period. It would be great to see Kerry in Munster too. So yeah, if those counties can commit to MacCarthy cup participation why not? Westmeath drawing with Wexford was a big step forward. I can remember Limerick being lucky to beat Kerry in 2003 and Laois in 2009. Why shouldn't these counties have a long term opportunity to improve by playing the top sides? The current system is very difficult for managers like Gleeson and Fennelly in Antrim and Offaly because they get to NHL division 1 and only get one year there so they have very little chance to develop their teams. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 19/05/2022 11:19:47 2418621 Link 0 |
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A valid concern. The McDonagh Cup has been a fantastic championship. It's important to keep evaluating the championship boundaries however.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 19/05/2022 11:35:09 2418630 Link 0 |
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No. There is still too much gap. It would also leave Kerry out as an outlier. As much as they're are 9 top teams then a gap, there are 5 (Laois, Westmeath, Offaly, Antrim and Kerry) after that before a big gap. The Leinster minor championship would be a better system. And look at the great success that had in bringing teams through! It was split into 3 tiers. Top 2 in tier 1 went to a semi (Dublin, Kilkenny). Third place went to a quarter (Wexford) Top team in tier 2 went to a quarter (Offaly). 2nd and 3rd went to a last 16 (Laois, Kildare). Top 2 in tier 3 went to last 16 (Antrim, Westmeath). Rest went to a Leinster B competition semi (Down, Meath, Carlow, Wicklow) Every team got at least 3 games. The bottom tier got at least 6 games. In summary give teams games at their level and then give the best a shot at the level up. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 19/05/2022 11:40:26 2418631 Link 0 |
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I'd be more in favour of scrapping 1a and 1b I. The league and putting it to div 1 and 2. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 248 - 19/05/2022 11:42:47 2418632 Link 0 |
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Is it as simple as regularly playing the top team though? Laois have been in Division 1 for 9 years and still get routinely hammered. Even then, the one game everyone uses as "proof" of Laois being a top level team (2019 vs. Dublin), came off the back of 2 seasons spent in the Joe McDonagh. According to the "You have to play against top teams all the time to improve" theory, Laois should have gotten worse after 2 years in the J McD. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 19/05/2022 11:52:40 2418635 Link 2 |
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If Leinster is expanded to 8, Kerry would be better off competing with Laois, Westmeath and Antrim/Offaly. Leinster Championship expand to 8 teams? 1. Galway and Kilkenny 2. Dublin and Wexford 3. Laois and Westmeath 4. Antrim and Offaly The bottom 4 after the group phase could contest a Shield semi-final. The winner of the Shield could take on the 3rd placed Munster team in a Preliminary Quarter-final. The losing Leinster semi-finalists can contest the other preliminary quarter-final. The McDonagh winner can fairly earn promotion to the Leinster Championship. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 19/05/2022 12:02:44 2418641 Link 0 |
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Munster: 1. Limerick, 2. Clare, 3. Cork, 4. Waterford, 5. Tipperary. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 19/05/2022 12:31:51 2418658 Link 0 |
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Yes, there's a "big gap" between Carlow and Kerry, who are both level on four points. Also a "big gap" between Westmeath and Carlow. Carlow beat them, by six points, three months ago. Not to mention the "big gap" between Down and Kerry. Down defeated them, two months ago. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 591 - 20/05/2022 20:20:33 2419073 Link 1 |
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Elephant in the room alert if things like this are being proposed.......... ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 23/05/2022 09:02:53 2419573 Link 0 |
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Westmeath played in the Munster championship plus Galway in last years league instead of going into a proper 1b so for me Kerry if they win Mcdonagh should be allowed into the "Leinster" championship.We already accomodate Galway and Antrim so why not Kerry?
jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1456 - 23/05/2022 11:09:36 2419622 Link 0 |
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If the Leinster Championship has a 6th team because they cater for the McDonagh winner, then Kerry should be included. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 23/05/2022 11:31:24 2419633 Link 0 |
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Definitely yes. Whoever wins should join Leinster. Part of me would enjoy Kerry Beating Tipp just to watch the changes that suddenly would allow a 6 team Munster championship. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 23/05/2022 12:08:30 2419658 Link 5 |
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No, if Kerry win the McDonagh they should be in Munster. Teams play in the Munster football championship and know they haven't a prayer of winning it. It will serve Kerry hurling better in the long run if they compete in Munster. And, it isn't beyond the memories of the older brigade on here times when Waterford, Clare, and to a much lesser extent Limerick were not even warming up Tipp and Cork. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 23/05/2022 13:08:35 2419682 Link 2 |
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We accommodate Antrim and Galway to provide them meaningful opposition as the Ulster and Connacht championships were deemed lower standard. Not something that applies to the Munster Championship
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11847 - 23/05/2022 13:10:13 2419685 Link 0 |
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Fair point. For that reason, all provinces should be guaranteed 5 teams. The province with a 6th team should be determined by the McDonagh winner. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 23/05/2022 14:27:23 2419738 Link 0 |
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StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 23/05/2022 15:10:55 2419759 Link 0 |
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An 8 team hurling championship like that would be like joining the Leinster Championship with the McDonagh cup minus a couple of teams. The reality would be a few more one sided affairs rather than development of teams. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 279 - 23/05/2022 17:05:46 2419831 Link 0 |
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Agreed. I put it out there for discussion more than anything. As only 6 teams can qualify for Munster, I was just musing over the merits of an expanded Leinster. In an 8 team Leinster: 1. The top 4 after 4 games can enter Leinster semi-finals. 2. The bottom 4 after 4 games can enter Leinster relegation semi-finals. 3. The semi-final losers and relegation semi-final winners could play-off, where the 2 winners play each other in the All-Ireland Preliminary Quarter-final. McDonagh 5 or 6 teams: 1. If a Munster team wins the McDonagh, the Munster Championship can have 6 teams in the following year, with the McDonagh reducing to 5 teams. 2. If a Leinster team win the McDonagh, they should be promoted in place of the Leinster relegation final loser. 3. If a Leinster team is runner-up to a Munster team, they should playoff against the Leinster relegation final loser. (The Leinster Relegation Final loser can have home advantage.) 4. Only the McDonagh winner should qualify for the All-Ireland Preliminary Quarter-final, where they can have home advantage versus 3rd from Munster. Again, I'm not pressing for change. I'm just musing over possible tweaks for consideration. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7842 - 24/05/2022 10:35:12 2419893 Link 0 |