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I don't like the term 'round robin' at all in GAA circles. There's something 'notGAA' about that term imo. I see that the term has French and English origination. Keep the 'format' if you like, but drop the use of the term from GAA parlance imo. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3422 - 23/05/2022 17:17:02 2419834 Link 1 |
Something that could be interesting would be to have knockout provincials incorporated into a championship where not everyone plays one another. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 24/05/2022 09:57:22 2419883 Link 2 |
Some will, some won't. As usual, county boards are a law on to themselves here. Dublin aren't starting till September. Wexford will start it and rightly so.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 24/05/2022 10:27:49 2419890 Link 0 |
He is proposing knock-out in the provinces Whammo86, the thread title has it too. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 24/05/2022 10:48:08 2419899 Link 0 |
Yeah knockout then round robin. Instead it's a variation of that to include both and make the knockout provincials count also. Similar number of games. More fair, more flexibility. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 24/05/2022 10:56:22 2419904 Link 2 |
100%. A variation could be made to keep provincial champions apart, runners up in either group, and then the rest in either group. Current format is tired looking already. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 24/05/2022 11:40:32 2419929 Link 0 |
Wouldn't that change make the provincial championships meaningless ? carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 24/05/2022 12:10:08 2419938 Link 1 |
In the context of shooting the breeze, the All-Ireland hurling could go with 2 even groups of 6. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 24/05/2022 13:17:04 2419957 Link 0 |
We'll that's it and they didn't take long to change from 10 teams to 11 teams and you still have the Kerry issue. If you have 14 teams and every team is in 1 ladder you can have a much more flexible number of teams from each province in the competition. I also think there's any issue with Leinster being the not Munster big 5 championship. If Kerry were winning Joe McDonagh every year but not getting into Munster you'd argue for them to be in Leinster. What if you had the case of Leinster being Wexford, Dublin, KK and then Galway, Antrim and Kerry. The Leinster council's mission is to promote Gaelic games in Leinster and you'd have half the team's in their flagship hurling competition from outside the province and no place for their developing counties. The current format was an improvement on what was there and has been exciting because hurling has a lot of closely matched teams. Long term I don't see it as that sustainable. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 24/05/2022 15:06:40 2419995 Link 2 |
There is no scenario where I will ever argue for Kerry to be in Leinster, to be honest! ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 24/05/2022 15:47:34 2420010 Link 0 |
That's a huge problem with things as they stand.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 24/05/2022 17:41:45 2420040 Link 2 |
Definitely need the provincial championships to be knock-out. It will not work without it. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 26/05/2022 09:12:00 2420274 Link 0 |
I've no problem with that. The solution is for Munster to expand to 6 for one year. Whether that's only one of Munster and Leinster having 6 teams, or the McDonagh reducing to 5 for a year, that's for the powers that be and all stakeholders to decide.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 26/05/2022 12:09:04 2420318 Link 0 |
The hurling league can be played over 7 weekends from 02/Feb to 19/Mar. This has a rest weekend after round 3. (Using 2022 Saturday dates for example purposes ) legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 26/05/2022 17:35:18 2420397 Link 0 |
Yeah I think that would work well. I think hurling's approach to the leagues could be the way to go for football. Have it developmental. I'd have the football then look like Provincials followed by an All Ireland series with 2 tiers of 2 groups of 8 and qualification based on the championship and not leagues. I'd have the Provincials and All Ireland clubs played in parallel with the developmental leagues in both codes and have the intercounty season run on into August. I'd have flexibility then for county boards to organise their competitions without needing to have them run off in time to start Provincial club. There would be a degree more flexibility around the start of these competitions and whilst I know there's been a big push to get the season planning more robust, I think they've actually caused it to become too restrictive. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 27/05/2022 12:34:46 2420472 Link 2 |
I think that is a great format. Work well for both provinces. Both provincial titles mean a lot so no reason to not play them, but you don't need a week off before a provincial final in April. It might be a bit to much but in the Wexford club hurling, the team who finished 4th in 1 group play the team who finish top of the other. Bottom team in each is relegated. Leads to very few dead rubbers and the "prize" for finishing 4th is the top team in the other group. It works well, but there are farces where teams win 1 match to finish 4th. And, do 4 deserve to qualify from a round robin? Probably not. ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 27/05/2022 14:43:26 2420503 Link 0 |
If you have the QF and SF back to back of course you will need a break of a week before the provincial final. After an AI final the 2 provincial finals are the next most important games of the year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11864 - 27/05/2022 14:53:40 2420507 Link 1 |
Yeah I think a break before a final can add to the sense of occasion.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 27/05/2022 16:12:12 2420516 Link 2 |
Regards my calendar suggestion: legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 28/05/2022 09:07:41 2420557 Link 0 |
Totally agree. Round Robin is for children's soccer. Scrap it from GAA lexicon. Something "As Gaeilge" at least. Spideog Cruinn? My best effort. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 28/05/2022 11:00:23 2420562 Link 0 |