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Donegal V Cavan Ulster Semi Final

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "But to be fair, ye were thrashed on all but the scoreboard only for the ref, and Bonner was tactically outclassed. Something that regularly happens to him. We'll have something for them today, we always do in Ulster"
Apart from 2018 and 2019 I suppose?

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 08/05/2022 13:16:15    2415537

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "'Thrashed' is a serious bit of a revisionism now lol… the goal in injury time came after being a point game at worst till then… 'Thrashed' might be a word to describe the previous Ulster final where we had you beat inside 20 minutes. But anyway, we all see things differently."
Best ignored.

There is a small minority of Cavan fans who always lose all sense of reality when we win a first round game. This year is no different.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 08/05/2022 13:48:46    2415544

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Replying To greatpoint:  "Apart from 2018 and 2019 I suppose?"
Aye, ye thrashed us then, but I was on about the 2020 final?

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 08/05/2022 15:08:54    2415568

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "'Thrashed' is a serious bit of a revisionism now lol… the goal in injury time came after being a point game at worst till then… 'Thrashed' might be a word to describe the previous Ulster final where we had you beat inside 20 minutes. But anyway, we all see things differently."
Is it? A 4 point win, but Donegal got bulk of their scores in the 20 minutes spell we had black cards that should never have been. We were far better rest of the game, only for the ref. Even didn't give us a clear forward mark at one point, and missed an elbow on Galligan that should have been a red. Like I said, the scoreboard looked better for you than it actually was due to the many decisions you got. Like how the scoreboard looked better for us with the thrashing you gave us in 2019, with our late scores that day. It is possible that both are true for both finals.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 08/05/2022 15:15:20    2415572

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Best ignored.

There is a small minority of Cavan fans who always lose all sense of reality when we win a first round game. This year is no different."
I'd like to think I'm quite reasonable in my analysis, simply stating the case for that day. What was your thoughts on the 2020 final then? We would have won by more only for the ref no matter what way you spin it

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 08/05/2022 15:18:00    2415573

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "I'd like to think I'm quite reasonable in my analysis, simply stating the case for that day. What was your thoughts on the 2020 final then? We would have won by more only for the ref no matter what way you spin it"
If we always have something for them as you suggest, then give us your take on the 2018 and 2019 results.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 08/05/2022 15:24:54    2415576

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Is it? A 4 point win, but Donegal got bulk of their scores in the 20 minutes spell we had black cards that should never have been. We were far better rest of the game, only for the ref. Even didn't give us a clear forward mark at one point, and missed an elbow on Galligan that should have been a red. Like I said, the scoreboard looked better for you than it actually was due to the many decisions you got. Like how the scoreboard looked better for us with the thrashing you gave us in 2019, with our late scores that day. It is possible that both are true for both finals."
I don't know, it's not a real comparison. I was gutted when you got the goal in injury time in 2020 because being one point down, I was hoping for extra time. That's not a thrashing. Irrespective of referee excuses. Whereas I was surrounded by Cavan fans in 2019 who were joking about leaving around the half hour mark. So again, I think our versions of the word 'thrashing' differ greatly. Anyway, game time coming, lets all enjoy now. Cavan have a fine tradition which I respect hugely, you're dangerous opposition so you're rightly optimistic.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 08/05/2022 15:33:37    2415578

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "If we always have something for them as you suggest, then give us your take on the 2018 and 2019 results."
Oh we were bad those games. 2018 McGleenans last game and we were never in it. 2019 we had a good run to the final, but was our first in many years. We looked nervous for the occasion and we were best before half time. But they did use lessons from that, and seemed to be more ready for it in 2020. It is possible to take learnings from it, as it was Grahams first year. And he did it well. Sometimes you hear the saying you need to lose one to win one, and we did. Just hope we're up for today. Logging off anyway, near throw in here. Best of luck to our lads!

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 08/05/2022 15:55:28    2415591

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Good finish from Donegal and we have sometimes wavered in recent years in these stifling, close contests, so it's good to be able to finish strong. All credit to Cavan, they were excellent for long periods and especially first half. Jamie Brennan, Peader Mogan, Eoin Ban all excellent. Ryan McHugh, Paddy McBrearty lively too. We can be better than this and will have to be for the Ulster final.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 08/05/2022 17:49:13    2415631

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Donegal won with two late goals, where Cavan players didn't deal adequately with high dropping balls. Cavan were competitive, and might have scored two goals from first half chances, when they were causing Donegal problems. Cavan have some excellent players, and will do well in the Tailteann Cup. They will be fancied to be promoted from Division 3, of the league. I think the winners of next week's semi final, can win the Anglo Celt trophy.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1745 - 08/05/2022 20:36:20    2415730

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Replying To cavanman47:  "The 2019 final was high scoring and Donegal won it well.

The 2020 final was a much tighter affair and Cavan came out on top.

If one team wants a tight game at this level, then it'll be a tight game. And I think Cavan will set up that way first half.

Donegal to be a point up at the end of a cagey first half.


The 2nd half will be a bit more open I think, but not exactly end to end, and very few goal chances.

If Cavan are within 2 points with 15mins to go, we will win.

Cavan by 1."
It was all going so well. . .

Donegal got the goal that Cavan needed. 6 points margin probably unfair on us in the end. A good game on a cracking day in Clones. Plenty for Cavan to take from that and hopefully we give the Tailteann Cup a proper crack.

Congrats to Donegal. Some fine footballers who I'm not sure ye are getting the most out of with current setup. Best of luck in the final.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 08/05/2022 21:07:29    2415743

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Thought we didn't play well but we were still in it, with the talent we have I was confident we'd get into our stride though at some stage, Cavan seemed to be missing nothing early on, one of them days when 90% of your shots go over the bar, the goals sealed the victory but I was confident somehow we'd get over the line anyway.
credit to Cavan they produced a great performance, shame now they won't get another day out in the senior Championship, they should be be plying their trade in div 1 or 2 for sure, they made us work a lot harder than Armagh did anyway for all the talk about them,
I hope Cavan stick at it now and win the Tailteann Cup.
We will see now how next Sunday goes, that's a very hard game to call as will the Ulster final no matter which of them comes through against us, we will need to produce our A game to win this Ulster Championship, I'm confident we can do it if we play like we can, can't wait.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2754 - 08/05/2022 21:56:45    2415759

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Ultimately a wins a win Donegal will be obviously happy with that. Cavan were very well switched on and were really well drilled. They are a big team with plenty physicality and Graham is a shrewd manager who knows how to prime a team. They moved the big men in and out and created mismatches and should have had goal for Smith. Lynch was excellent in the first half and I think Donegal left mccole a bit exposed as they weren't playing a covering player. You have to put more pressure on the ball if you do that.

I was a bit disappointed by the Donegal energy. Cavan were playing with more intensity and some of the Donegal lads were not at the pitch they needed to be. There were a lot of fumbling errors by the likes of langan and Murphy. It was a bit sloppy.
They did adjusting with McHugh covering at the back and he controlled the game well in the second half. Lynch's influence also faded. The subs helped Donegal and Cavan didn't get the same bounce off the bench. Mcgonagle made a big difference. He's quick and is powerful and caused a lot of problems for Cavan running at them. Mcff added a bit of bite and had one good turnover. And Conor O'Donnell got the goal that won it. Mcmenamin kept McKernan quiet enough particularly in the first half and if he didn't Donegal could have been in real trouble. Also nice to see Jamie Brennan doing really well. The goals were of the fortunate variety and certainly killed the game.
Donegal do have a good bit of work if they want to deliver in the final but they are there.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 696 - 09/05/2022 08:19:35    2415766

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Thought we didn't play well but we were still in it, with the talent we have I was confident we'd get into our stride though at some stage, Cavan seemed to be missing nothing early on, one of them days when 90% of your shots go over the bar, the goals sealed the victory but I was confident somehow we'd get over the line anyway.
credit to Cavan they produced a great performance, shame now they won't get another day out in the senior Championship, they should be be plying their trade in div 1 or 2 for sure, they made us work a lot harder than Armagh did anyway for all the talk about them,
I hope Cavan stick at it now and win the Tailteann Cup.
We will see now how next Sunday goes, that's a very hard game to call as will the Ulster final no matter which of them comes through against us, we will need to produce our A game to win this Ulster Championship, I'm confident we can do it if we play like we can, can't wait."
"Cavan seemed to be missing nothing early on, one of them days when 90% of your shots go over the bar"

Really?? We scored 9 points from 17 shots in the first half.
I'm not sure what the stats were for the 2nd half but it definitely wasn't a case of us being economical in front of goal at any point during the game.

And what about McGonnigle's point? He completely skewed it and it somehow split the posts! There were Donegal fans beside me laughing at it and questioning where the ball wouldve gone if he connected properly with it. Not to mention 2 other skied efforts leading to goals. We've only ourselves to blame for not dealing with those 2 high balls but fortune definitely favoured Donegal yesterday in that respect.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 09/05/2022 08:53:08    2415772

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I have to admit, as bad as Cavan were in the league they really did step it up against Donegal yesterday. If that goal goes in the first half we could all be having different perspectives this morning. In saying that, I thought Donegal were really poor and I just can't see them beating Monaghan in the final (If Monaghan get there) but maybe Donegal are similar to Cavan that they'll step it up against more superior teams. I'm pretty sure this style of play is holding us back but I suppose we have to get used to it this season under Bonner.

All in all well done Donegal, and well done Cavan for making a fight of it and I can't see anyone beating them for the Tailteann Cup if they can keep playing like that.

MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 09/05/2022 09:01:04    2415777

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Can't understand how Donegal played with so little intensity in the first half, far too casual in an ulster championship game. Cavan seemed more 'up for it'. Starting point for any team is to match the other team's Intensity, workrate etc and then the team with the better players should win.

greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 473 - 09/05/2022 09:42:40    2415797

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Whatever about the first goal the other main turning point was McFadden getting injured. McGonigle coming into midfield injected a new lease of life and i though he was brilliant. I was surprised we didn't make changes earlier. That game was run at a savage pace a lot of players got tired in that last quarter.

Proud of the Cavan team I though they really took it to Donegal and while we got the goal 2 years ago, Donegal got the it today and once it went in that was that.

As for Donegal i'm not so sure. Yeah they just had enough in the end for us but there was no extra gear. I seen nothing new there yesterday compared to previous years that would make you think they're serious contenders.

Tailteann me ****

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 541 - 09/05/2022 10:04:27    2415805

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Game went kinda as I expected and predicted, Cavan performed really well as expected and showed the quality of talent they really have. The National League is a shambles at best, anybody who talks about Cavan (Or Tipperary) as Division 4 teams at Championship time needs their heads looked at. We knew from 2018, 2019 and particularly 2020 that Cavan are are quality team and anybody following underage football for the last 12-15 years knows they have developed a lot of quality.

As for the game, first half was tit for tat stuff, I thought Cavan settled better and were willing to take on scores from distance more than Donegal. We seemed to struggle in midfield a little and Lynch was hard to handle and we struggled to get to grips with him.

Second half introduction of Caolan McGonigle for me was a turning point, Donegal seemed to take control and opened up a lead, but Cavan remained in touching in distance, but even before the first goal I felt confident that Donegal were stronger and would see it out. After the first goal we seemed to take our foot of the gas slightly or maybe Cavan just upped the tempo, we definitely could have pulled away and put the game to bed, but seemed happy to slow up and keep ticking along.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1118 - 09/05/2022 10:04:32    2415806

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Firstly well done to both teams on a good, sporting contest. The result was uncertain for long parts of the match yesterday and Donegal's fortuitous goal was the crucial score. The fact that Cavan were unfortunate with a couple of similar chances probably only added to their frustration & disappointment.

I had Cavan as the better team in the first half. They played with great intensity and varied their attacking play well. They deserved a half time lead and should have been ahead only for Patton's fantastic save. I thought our ball skills were poor at times and we were unneccessarily turned over on a number of occasions. Special word to Eoghan Ban Gallagher who consistently drove us on and kept us in touch. He loves the wide spaces of Clones. It was great to see Jamie Brennan finding his mojo again too. Hopefully he has overcome all of his injury problems now and can push on.

Our subs had a good impact. Big McGonigle is very deceptive in the way he can power up a head of steam and get into good scoring postitons. McFadden-Ferry added a bit of bite too.

Young Lynch is a very exciting forward for Cavan. I hope they go on to do well in the Tailteann Cup. I fully expect him to light up that compeititon. Although he might think twice next time before he takes on Murphy in a physical challenge :P

I think we're in a decent place. We've reached an Ulster final without being all that impressive. Our performances all year have been patchy. If we can get a full 70 minute performance out of the lads then an Ulster title is there for the taking. It won't be easy though against Monaghan or Derry.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9147 - 09/05/2022 10:28:20    2415819

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its tough in one way yet a simple game to analyse. Donegal got two goals and cavan missed there's.
cavan also had a good shout for a penalty but there's no point crying over spilt milk.
credit has to go to Patton he got his hand to smiths shot. but what a lovely bit of fielding from smith.
as the game wore on you could see that a goal was going to change the game and its such a thin line. Donegal were fortunate that they got them, especially given the fact that both high balls appeared to be miss kicks rather than testing high balls. ironically Donegal probably would've known better than to kick high ball in there as cavan are generally very reliable under the high ball in the full back line. but two goals like that is just sickening to concede.
from a Donegal pov you'll be hearing all week now about how inconsistent and poor Donegal can be (Armagh game taken in to consideration) but i wouldn't read much in to that. Cavan are a better side than Armagh so yesterday was always going to be a step up. the final will be interesting, i don't think either Derry or Monaghan are just as good defensively as Cavan but having said that i may probably have a different opinion after next week especially on Monaghan.
for Cavan, they should and will win the Tailteann cup IF they want to. they probably wont be the poster boys the gaa will want to win it though and that's understandable in its inaugural year. i think the future is bright for us, i think defensively we have a good culture so any lad coming in will know how we defend, we have Galligan, Smith and Lynch who are all young and look powerful who i think can also be the spine of the team for years to come, throw in some of the u20's from this year also. we'll be back and hopefully to take another ulster title soon.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 09/05/2022 10:34:04    2415825

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