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Replying To rorysboys: "Grow up. The Cavan poster thought it was you. No need to lose the head. We all make mistakes." Lose the head? I feel like you are so out of sync with what's happening in reality. It's worrisome!
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Replying To MurphBalls: "Lose the head? I feel like you are so out of sync with what's happening in reality. It's worrisome!" Don't worry about it lad. If there's one of us out of sync it's definitely not me. This is a football forum. Every county deserves respect.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 03/05/2022 14:03:12
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Replying To MurphBalls: "I know it's fact so well done on being from Cavan but we're discussing Cavan Vs Donegal in 2022. Because Cavan have 40 Ulster titles doesn't automatically mean they are good enough for the Sam Maguire competition in 2022. The Tailteann Cup was created for counties like Cavan, Tipperary and the likes who have zero chance of winning Sam Maguire, an opportunity to win national silverware. So until you start realising that then I suppose you are a bit delusional and still living in 1940 when Cavan dominated Ulster.
Cavan winning 40 Ulster titles is irrelevant to what is being discussed or even the viewpoints I brought up so welcome to the discussion but maybe get your point across better next time." Very gracious of you and I know it's about Cavan v Donegal in 2022 I never said Cavan are going to win Sam but in your earlier post you said Donegal would win by 10 points on Sunday and that Cavan and teams like them should be in the Tailteann cup where they belong you know your probably right more than likely you'll win on Sunday if you don't bottle it like you did in 2020 ,weren't Donegal supposed to win Sam for the last 5 years and you won't win it this year either so be careful what you wish for. Good luck in the qualifiers.
[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 03/05/2022 14:07:43
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Replying To rorysboys: "Don't worry about it lad. If there's one of us out of sync it's definitely not me. This is a football forum. Every county deserves respect." Listen Rorys Boy I don't think you are the best man to be lecturing anyone over respect. Do yourself a favour and have a good look at yourself and how you treat others on this forum.
MurphBalls (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 03/05/2022 14:16:54
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Replying To s goldrick: "Donegal consistently dining at the top table , Cavan flitting between Div 1 and 2 and then nosedive to div 4 and crawl back up to 3 but still manage to beat Monaghan, Armagh, Down,Antrim and Donegal in Ulster. In other words Donegal have been consistently good apart from that one blip in 2020.
Cavan should be a better team than they were back in 2020 as the younger players are fitter, stronger and more experienced. I dont think we have lost any one from the panel which is unheard of in recent years. We have added a few who have improved the team. Yet why on earth did we find ourselves in Div 4 ?. What is going on ?. We played Tipp twice recently and over 2 games there was little between the teams. We played Antrim and were clearly better than them. We havent played a competitive game against a top team since Tyrone last year and they beat us easily.
So to sum up. Donegal should beat us by more than they beat Armagh.
We still have a few players on our team who are prone to indiscipline , a few who simply cannot tackle and we do not take clear goal-scoring opportunities.
I think we are 4 or 5 players short of being a decent top 10 team.
As we have seen there are no shocks in this years championship. Donegal should score about 3:20 and we should score about 0:11" To be fair I don't think many view Cavan or Tipperary as Division 4 standard football teams, both are more than capable of scalping most teams in Division 1 or 2 on any given day. However its a bit like Derry getting relegated to Division 4 in 2018, it can easily happen during a rebuilding or restructuring of a team, as the quality of lower division teams has significantly improved in recent years.
I believe Cavan are every bit as good as Derry or Armagh at the minute, people place too much emphasis on the National League and its not accurate. I expect Monaghan and Donegal to prevail in the two Semi finals though, although I think both games will be tight and it will be close at the end.
I think whoever wins Ulster this year will be my favourites for the All Ireland.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1120 - 03/05/2022 14:23:10
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Replying To Commodore: "To be fair I don't think many view Cavan or Tipperary as Division 4 standard football teams, both are more than capable of scalping most teams in Division 1 or 2 on any given day. However its a bit like Derry getting relegated to Division 4 in 2018, it can easily happen during a rebuilding or restructuring of a team, as the quality of lower division teams has significantly improved in recent years.
I believe Cavan are every bit as good as Derry or Armagh at the minute, people place too much emphasis on the National League and its not accurate. I expect Monaghan and Donegal to prevail in the two Semi finals though, although I think both games will be tight and it will be close at the end.
I think whoever wins Ulster this year will be my favourites for the All Ireland." Big call that! Personally I don't think the four teams left in Ulster will get anywhere near an All Ireland. All are playing well but when it gets to the All Ireland series Dublin, Kerry and Mayo will be too far ahead of those. The only possible challenge from the province would still be Tyrone, if they can get themselves focused and into a Croke Park series. They're a different team in Croke Park, their big task is getting themselves to that stage. The All Ireland Quarter Final onwards is the only stage you know every team is focused and at peak.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 03/05/2022 14:51:53
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Rorysboys telling someone to grow up, that gave me a laugh anyway, the fools the fools, the left us the memory of 2020!!.....
chatting about the past glory days of Cavan and Down what the hell has happened to Down county football? they always had great players and a confidence about them, not many of us are old enough to rem Cavan's glory days, I think the first Donegal man ever to win a Celtic cross won it playing for Cavan.
One thing is for sure Bonner will our boys totally focused this time, can't wait, revenge is in the air in Tir Chonaill!!
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2756 - 03/05/2022 15:02:29
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Replying To Commodore: "To be fair I don't think many view Cavan or Tipperary as Division 4 standard football teams, both are more than capable of scalping most teams in Division 1 or 2 on any given day. However its a bit like Derry getting relegated to Division 4 in 2018, it can easily happen during a rebuilding or restructuring of a team, as the quality of lower division teams has significantly improved in recent years.
I believe Cavan are every bit as good as Derry or Armagh at the minute, people place too much emphasis on the National League and its not accurate. I expect Monaghan and Donegal to prevail in the two Semi finals though, although I think both games will be tight and it will be close at the end.
I think whoever wins Ulster this year will be my favourites for the All Ireland." Well said at last a sensible post.
[email protected] (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 03/05/2022 15:10:12
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Replying To s goldrick: "Donegal consistently dining at the top table , Cavan flitting between Div 1 and 2 and then nosedive to div 4 and crawl back up to 3 but still manage to beat Monaghan, Armagh, Down,Antrim and Donegal in Ulster. In other words Donegal have been consistently good apart from that one blip in 2020.
Cavan should be a better team than they were back in 2020 as the younger players are fitter, stronger and more experienced. I dont think we have lost any one from the panel which is unheard of in recent years. We have added a few who have improved the team. Yet why on earth did we find ourselves in Div 4 ?. What is going on ?. We played Tipp twice recently and over 2 games there was little between the teams. We played Antrim and were clearly better than them. We havent played a competitive game against a top team since Tyrone last year and they beat us easily.
So to sum up. Donegal should beat us by more than they beat Armagh.
We still have a few players on our team who are prone to indiscipline , a few who simply cannot tackle and we do not take clear goal-scoring opportunities.
I think we are 4 or 5 players short of being a decent top 10 team.
As we have seen there are no shocks in this years championship. Donegal should score about 3:20 and we should score about 0:11" To be fair I don't think many view Cavan or Tipperary as Division 4 standard football teams, both are more than capable of scalping most teams in Division 1 or 2 on any given day. However its a bit like Derry getting relegated to Division 4 in 2018, it can easily happen during a rebuilding or restructuring of a team, as the quality of lower division teams has significantly improved in recent years.
I believe Cavan are every bit as good as Derry or Armagh at the minute, people place too much emphasis on the National League and its not accurate. I expect Monaghan and Donegal to prevail in the two Semi finals though, although I think both games will be tight and it will be close at the end.
I think whoever wins Ulster this year will be my favourites for the All Ireland.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1120 - 03/05/2022 15:17:40
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Replying To Commodore: "To be fair I don't think many view Cavan or Tipperary as Division 4 standard football teams, both are more than capable of scalping most teams in Division 1 or 2 on any given day. However its a bit like Derry getting relegated to Division 4 in 2018, it can easily happen during a rebuilding or restructuring of a team, as the quality of lower division teams has significantly improved in recent years.
I believe Cavan are every bit as good as Derry or Armagh at the minute, people place too much emphasis on the National League and its not accurate. I expect Monaghan and Donegal to prevail in the two Semi finals though, although I think both games will be tight and it will be close at the end.
I think whoever wins Ulster this year will be my favourites for the All Ireland." I think the handicap on PP sounds about right. Donegal 1/1 -5.
I can't see anything other than a Donegal win.
Yes I live in hope of a Cavan win but on our 70min performances in Div 4 this year we went missing for far too long against teams like Tipperary and London.
Now Donegal might not be the force of old but over 70 minutes they way better than those 2 mentioned.
They are dangerous going forward and can kick long range points better than we can.
It will take a total collapse from Donegal for Cavan to win . In my opinion.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 03/05/2022 15:18:45
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Replying To MurphBalls: "I know it's fact so well done on being from Cavan but we're discussing Cavan Vs Donegal in 2022. Because Cavan have 40 Ulster titles doesn't automatically mean they are good enough for the Sam Maguire competition in 2022. The Tailteann Cup was created for counties like Cavan, Tipperary and the likes who have zero chance of winning Sam Maguire, an opportunity to win national silverware. So until you start realising that then I suppose you are a bit delusional and still living in 1940 when Cavan dominated Ulster.
Cavan winning 40 Ulster titles is irrelevant to what is being discussed or even the viewpoints I brought up so welcome to the discussion but maybe get your point across better next time." With Tyrone eliminated, having beaten Donegal, Monaghan and Derry in our last championship encounters we're surely now favourites for the title? We've only lost to the eventual AI champions this decade. The most relevant and current statistics only point to one outcome to be honest.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 03/05/2022 15:31:13
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Replying To Commodore: "To be fair I don't think many view Cavan or Tipperary as Division 4 standard football teams, both are more than capable of scalping most teams in Division 1 or 2 on any given day. However its a bit like Derry getting relegated to Division 4 in 2018, it can easily happen during a rebuilding or restructuring of a team, as the quality of lower division teams has significantly improved in recent years.
I believe Cavan are every bit as good as Derry or Armagh at the minute, people place too much emphasis on the National League and its not accurate. I expect Monaghan and Donegal to prevail in the two Semi finals though, although I think both games will be tight and it will be close at the end.
I think whoever wins Ulster this year will be my favourites for the All Ireland." Doubt Donegal or Monaghan will win the All Ireland this year.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2169 - 03/05/2022 15:34:38
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Replying To Breffni1969: "Agree! That's some Consolation to Down after last Sundays performance isn't it?
We never hear Down talking about their glory days.
But us , we want to erect statues in Cavan Town!
We know what we won and are grateful to those men back in the day . But what relevance has it to Other Counties.
Whether Donegal have 10 or 100 don't matter.
Murphy and McBrearty have 5 each and they are 2 players still playing and we have to out wit them next Sunday!
John Joe Reilly can't help us out there!!" "We never hear Down talking about their glory days" lol are you for real?
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 03/05/2022 15:39:25
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Personally I don't give the league much weight come championship time, regardless of whether we're in Division 1 or 4. funny to see people pointing to our Div 4 performances though and saying how poor we were. WE WON DIVISION 4. What more could we do? We were in it and we won it, that's the long and the short of it. Move on.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 03/05/2022 15:44:54
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Replying To Breffni1969: "I think the handicap on PP sounds about right. Donegal 1/1 -5.
I can't see anything other than a Donegal win.
Yes I live in hope of a Cavan win but on our 70min performances in Div 4 this year we went missing for far too long against teams like Tipperary and London.
Now Donegal might not be the force of old but over 70 minutes they way better than those 2 mentioned.
They are dangerous going forward and can kick long range points better than we can.
It will take a total collapse from Donegal for Cavan to win . In my opinion." Fill your boots on PP then
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 03/05/2022 15:48:44
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Replying To Breffni1969: "I think the handicap on PP sounds about right. Donegal 1/1 -5.
I can't see anything other than a Donegal win.
Yes I live in hope of a Cavan win but on our 70min performances in Div 4 this year we went missing for far too long against teams like Tipperary and London.
Now Donegal might not be the force of old but over 70 minutes they way better than those 2 mentioned.
They are dangerous going forward and can kick long range points better than we can.
It will take a total collapse from Donegal for Cavan to win . In my opinion." "Teams like Tipperary" Can you expand on what you mean there?
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 03/05/2022 15:51:56
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Replying To Breffni40: ""We never hear Down talking about their glory days" lol are you for real?" Well we definitely don't shut up about them!
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 03/05/2022 15:54:35
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Replying To Breffni40: "With Tyrone eliminated, having beaten Donegal, Monaghan and Derry in our last championship encounters we're surely now favourites for the title? We've only lost to the eventual AI champions this decade. The most relevant and current statistics only point to one outcome to be honest." hahahaha brilliant!!!!!!!!
theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 03/05/2022 15:57:13
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Replying To Breffni1969: "I think the handicap on PP sounds about right. Donegal 1/1 -5.
I can't see anything other than a Donegal win.
Yes I live in hope of a Cavan win but on our 70min performances in Div 4 this year we went missing for far too long against teams like Tipperary and London.
Now Donegal might not be the force of old but over 70 minutes they way better than those 2 mentioned.
They are dangerous going forward and can kick long range points better than we can.
It will take a total collapse from Donegal for Cavan to win . In my opinion." Don't think we can take much from the League games this year, seeing we effectively sandbagged and weren't giving too much away. Antrim more indicative of where we are, and we showed we were far far stronger than a team at that level. You can never take our League form.
And it'll hardly take a total collapse from them. That didn't happen in 2020, when even the ref was against us. We have the ability to win if (and it's a big if) our players turn up and more of ours than theirs win their battles, and if we take our chances. It doesn't need a total collapse, the teams are not that far apart
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2393 - 03/05/2022 15:57:27
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Replying To Breffni40: ""Teams like Tipperary" Can you expand on what you mean there?" Teams like Tipperary and London who play in Div 4 at a slower pace than Donegal play at.
We went to sleep against both for a good 20 mins.
If that happens against Donegal we will be in trouble.
Hope that answers your question
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 03/05/2022 15:58:28
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