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Cavan looked very impressive against Antrim who would have been targeting that game big time. Enda Mc Ginley is a great mind of the game and Cavan still won pulling up. I'm under no illusions how tough this battle will be. Not playing games here but think both teams should be around even money. League positions mean nothing. We're nearly underdogs, or I'd want our players to feel this way, Cavan deserved their victory the last time we played and have improved greatly since that in terms of conditioning. They bullied us the last time and they'll do the same again. I'm really worried.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 29/04/2022 11:46:07
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Replying To thelowball: "Rory, Really u think we're goin to have nothing to say, Move over Pat Spillane,Colm O'Rourke ,Martin McHugh, the new analyst on all things football especially Donegal is the astute 'Rory boy' . Now it does have a ring to it,but still laughable! Them fellas I mentioned don't know what there talkin about, right Rory. Here's my prediction v Cavan, Donegal by 2 pts providing Bonner doesn't mess up" That post sums you up. If we lose it's Bonners fault but if we win you'll praise anybody but management. I've no time for wums like you. What level of ball did you play , ah wait people like you and a few more goin by some of the Facebook posts never kicked a ball in there lives. Lol. Mc grath was right.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 29/04/2022 12:06:53
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Replying To rorysboys: "That post sums you up. If we lose it's Bonners fault but if we win you'll praise anybody but management. I've no time for wums like you. What level of ball did you play , ah wait people like you and a few more goin by some of the Facebook posts never kicked a ball in there lives. Lol. Mc grath was right." Now u to have played at a 'level' to to have an opinion. Ure gettin more asinine by the post. How is this, the only levels I know are the 2 and fore 4 'levels'. As for the McGraths ,which one did u mean? Mick or Paddy, oops uve probably banged ur head crawling in and out of ure foxhole that many times as u wouldn't know the difference! Have the black flags ready me boy, just in case Cavan can do the unthinkable
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Replying To thelowball: "Now u to have played at a 'level' to to have an opinion. Ure gettin more asinine by the post. How is this, the only levels I know are the 2 and fore 4 'levels'. As for the McGraths ,which one did u mean? Mick or Paddy, oops uve probably banged ur head crawling in and out of ure foxhole that many times as u wouldn't know the difference! Have the black flags ready me boy, just in case Cavan can do the unthinkable" No need for the big words, we're only ordinary gaa supporters some of us mightn even have went to school very long. But all we want to talk about is Donegal gaa football so if your not interested in that, maybe you would be better goin to another forum.. thank you
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 29/04/2022 13:42:53
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This is our first big day out in Clones since we played Cavan as well in the 2019 Ulster Final.That was comfortable enough although we did concede 2-16 although a lot of those scores were conceded when the game was won.If everybody is fit there will be a few big selection decisions to be made.Will McFadden Ferry come straight back in and if he does at whose expense,probably Mogan.If Gallen is fit it will probably be a choice between him and Jamie Brennan.There is also a choice between the O'donnells,Niall,Shane and Conor for a slot.I would say Jason McGee will probably keep Caolan McGonigle out.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1059 - 29/04/2022 14:39:05
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I seem to rem Cavan making the same mistake we made in 2020 final, was it the game were they got relegated to div 4?
Think they underestimated the opposition that day, just going from memory here, maybe some of you boys in blue can rem better?
This game will come around fairly quick, everyone is expecting Tyrone and Monaghan to win their quarters this weekend, that would set up another mouth watering semi final.
Lads can we leave the slagging about Declan Bonner etc on the Donegal thread? try and stick to the game concerned here.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2754 - 29/04/2022 20:30:21
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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "There us no doubt cavan deserved their win in 2020. It's up there with as one of the toughest defeats though that I've experienced. Donegal beat the old nemesis that is tyrone, played a super game against armagh in the semi (better performance than Sunday last). It was a chance to win donegals first ever three in a row of ulster titles and get to the first all ireland semi since 2014.
Cavan had kind of huffed and puffed their way through their side of the draw but they fair showed up that day. There's definitely something very crafty in the way Graham manages them. They never look to good in the league or even in some championship matches and just squeak over the line. They do seem to be able to lift it when needed under him. Nobody saw them hammering antrim and they fair walloped them. Over the last while bar mckiernan you'd wonder about their scoring power. Paddy lynch seems to be improving them on that front. They've some very decent defenders and a good keeper that played really well in 2020. Armagh for example would only love to have him. In saying donegal will be decent favorites and surely can't lack for motivation but cavan will certainly be going in confident too." That's the most sensible post I've read on this topic so far. Thanks. Very refreshing to read compared to a lot of the commentary. Murphsballs was spouting the exact same drivel in the week leading up to the 2020 final and deserves to be ignored.
thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 290 - 30/04/2022 09:34:30
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Replying To rorysboys: "No need for the big words, we're only ordinary gaa supporters some of us mightn even have went to school very long. But all we want to talk about is Donegal gaa football so if your not interested in that, maybe you would be better goin to another forum.. thank you" Big words! Ure the boy always trying to talk the big game. If the size five hit u on the back of the head, if u know what that is ure thinking it's a hailstone. I always figured that school would have a no no for u. Hope these words are within your scope of understanding,I'll be goin nowhere! School aside, u are able to count, the Countdown that is!
thelowball (USA) - Posts: 400 - 30/04/2022 11:13:48
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "I seem to rem Cavan making the same mistake we made in 2020 final, was it the game were they got relegated to div 4?
Think they underestimated the opposition that day, just going from memory here, maybe some of you boys in blue can rem better?
This game will come around fairly quick, everyone is expecting Tyrone and Monaghan to win their quarters this weekend, that would set up another mouth watering semi final.
Lads can we leave the slagging about Declan Bonner etc on the Donegal thread? try and stick to the game concerned here." Last year was just an utter disaster for us. With the hangover from running late into the year before, injuries, Covid in the camp, and lockdowns meaning we were already behind the Northern teams in our group who opened up earlier and had training and challenge matches, where we were straight out into the league games. But that was nothing compared to the embarrassment of that relegation playoff, at least we were competitive in the group games despite the above issues. Like we just were just so bad. We outscored Wicklow, but we'd get a point or two, and we'd let them go straight through us and get a goal. And we couldn't score goals. Scored 18 points, but when you're letting in 3 goals and scoring none yourself, then you're putting yourself behind. Just last year was bad from practically every perspective. Was it underestimating them? Maybe, but we made our own bed in other ways, and when you're in a downward spiral of a bad month, it's hard getting out of it. Brutal stuff.
The mad thing is we were a point away from the promotion playoff. Fermanagh scored a point deep into injury time against Longford to draw level and put them into the promotion playoff and us into the relegation. I think that layout last year was an actual joke, tbh. Who thought that was a good system after 3 games, I don't know. Still, we were brutal last year. Looks like we've compartmentalised that and are back to form this year though. I really don't think we're as bad as last year showed, think we're back to closer to where we should be.
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 30/04/2022 12:25:22
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Replying To thelowball: "Big words! Ure the boy always trying to talk the big game. If the size five hit u on the back of the head, if u know what that is ure thinking it's a hailstone. I always figured that school would have a no no for u. Hope these words are within your scope of understanding,I'll be goin nowhere! School aside, u are able to count, the Countdown that is!" Not too hard to spot a wum lad. You have all the credentials
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2410 - 30/04/2022 12:27:30
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Last year was just an utter disaster for us. With the hangover from running late into the year before, injuries, Covid in the camp, and lockdowns meaning we were already behind the Northern teams in our group who opened up earlier and had training and challenge matches, where we were straight out into the league games. But that was nothing compared to the embarrassment of that relegation playoff, at least we were competitive in the group games despite the above issues. Like we just were just so bad. We outscored Wicklow, but we'd get a point or two, and we'd let them go straight through us and get a goal. And we couldn't score goals. Scored 18 points, but when you're letting in 3 goals and scoring none yourself, then you're putting yourself behind. Just last year was bad from practically every perspective. Was it underestimating them? Maybe, but we made our own bed in other ways, and when you're in a downward spiral of a bad month, it's hard getting out of it. Brutal stuff.
The mad thing is we were a point away from the promotion playoff. Fermanagh scored a point deep into injury time against Longford to draw level and put them into the promotion playoff and us into the relegation. I think that layout last year was an actual joke, tbh. Who thought that was a good system after 3 games, I don't know. Still, we were brutal last year. Looks like we've compartmentalised that and are back to form this year though. I really don't think we're as bad as last year showed, think we're back to closer to where we should be." Use of the word brutal there on two occasions.
Very negative stuff.
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Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "Use of the word brutal there on two occasions.
Very negative stuff." Last year was brutal for us, by any measure
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 30/04/2022 16:51:04
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Last year was brutal for us, by any measure" Hallelujah he has seen the light!
What made you change your tune?
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 30/04/2022 20:48:07
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Donegal consistently dining at the top table , Cavan flitting between Div 1 and 2 and then nosedive to div 4 and crawl back up to 3 but still manage to beat Monaghan, Armagh, Down,Antrim and Donegal in Ulster. In other words Donegal have been consistently good apart from that one blip in 2020.
Cavan should be a better team than they were back in 2020 as the younger players are fitter, stronger and more experienced. I dont think we have lost any one from the panel which is unheard of in recent years. We have added a few who have improved the team. Yet why on earth did we find ourselves in Div 4 ?. What is going on ?. We played Tipp twice recently and over 2 games there was little between the teams. We played Antrim and were clearly better than them. We havent played a competitive game against a top team since Tyrone last year and they beat us easily.
So to sum up. Donegal should beat us by more than they beat Armagh.
We still have a few players on our team who are prone to indiscipline , a few who simply cannot tackle and we do not take clear goal-scoring opportunities.
I think we are 4 or 5 players short of being a decent top 10 team.
As we have seen there are no shocks in this years championship. Donegal should score about 3:20 and we should score about 0:11
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Replying To Cavan_Shambles: "Hallelujah he has seen the light!
What made you change your tune?" Changed what tune? I can always be critical where required. If you'd read any of my posts properly. I'm just not negative on everything like you and the other fella. I can be objective, and yes critical when it is clear we've been bad. Which we were last year
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 01/05/2022 10:16:55
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Replying To s goldrick: "Donegal consistently dining at the top table , Cavan flitting between Div 1 and 2 and then nosedive to div 4 and crawl back up to 3 but still manage to beat Monaghan, Armagh, Down,Antrim and Donegal in Ulster. In other words Donegal have been consistently good apart from that one blip in 2020.
Cavan should be a better team than they were back in 2020 as the younger players are fitter, stronger and more experienced. I dont think we have lost any one from the panel which is unheard of in recent years. We have added a few who have improved the team. Yet why on earth did we find ourselves in Div 4 ?. What is going on ?. We played Tipp twice recently and over 2 games there was little between the teams. We played Antrim and were clearly better than them. We havent played a competitive game against a top team since Tyrone last year and they beat us easily.
So to sum up. Donegal should beat us by more than they beat Armagh.
We still have a few players on our team who are prone to indiscipline , a few who simply cannot tackle and we do not take clear goal-scoring opportunities.
I think we are 4 or 5 players short of being a decent top 10 team.
As we have seen there are no shocks in this years championship. Donegal should score about 3:20 and we should score about 0:11" Not sure on any metric where you're getting that score from. An 18 point loss? Look, Donegal are rightly favourites, but nothing suggests that margin
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The build up is great now. Would there be many from that period of great Cavan underage success about this panel now? I remember in the run up to 2020 that we were saying a lot of players on both panels would be familiar with one another, Cavan had the better of us in those underage matches. Senior a different beast obviously but Cavan have always had better talent and footballers than the results would show, especially in the league.
We should win and I think we will but by the same token, if Cavan make it a game like it was in 2020 then there are still question marks around the mentality of our lads. It will follow them until they answer it really. I remember in the run up to 2020 we were very hyped up especially after the win in the storm against Tyrone and then hammering Armagh out the gate, we were all excited within the county as well. But a pundit in the run up said something like "Donegal haven't been punched in the face yet" and it's something that stuck with me. I've said it in the Donegal forum but we've no real problem getting ourselves motivated and getting a performance out for the likes of Tyrone, but it's when the game is in the melting pot outside of those battles with Tyrone that the question marks will follow this panel around on until we answer it.
So if Cavan punch us in the face a week today it will be something the lads have to answer as they didn't have the answers in 2020. Excited now hopefully it's a dry day at least because I'm in the Pat McGrane!
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It will interesting to see if cavan push up on the donegal kickout. Armagh near the end did make inroads when they started to push up and turned over donegal a few times. Though in 2020 cavan never bothered and were successful. They had a good defensive structure that donegal struggled with it. If they do push up I don't know whether raymond galligan will come out to cover pattons longer kick. I think donegal will continue to push up and as much as it did work against armagh though it was only from mid way through the first half that it really started to work. Armagh were leading up to that point. Galligan is a much better keeper than Hughes or rafferty though. He was very good against donegal in 2020 and very good against dublin in the semi final as well.
Donegal are susceptible to be turned over when carrying the ball out of the defence. Mayo get really good success against donegal when doing that. Perhaps donegal need to share the load a bit more. Ban is a great carrier of the ball so try to get it to him when the opposition are pressurising. Use langan, mogan and have shane o'donnell coming back the odd time. Mcff helps on that front too.
Hopefully Jason mcgee is ok too and he's bound to have take a lot of confidence from armagh. The point he scored he kind of powered through the defence and it would be great to see more of that. I think mcff will come back in and pick up and I wouldn't completely rule out neil mcgee either. I'm not sure though who you'd drop. I suppose they are nice decisions to have and having a game changer or two on the bench is very important as well. The last time against cavan farrah and thompson and mcmenamin were injured in the lead up. Mcff was away with the army and think Jason mcgee was struggling with injury as well. Having the injuries earlier in the league also gave Shane o'donnell and Connor o'donnell and Jason mcgee plenty opportunity. All this (injuries permitting) should create more strength off the bench. Oisin farrah made a big difference against tyrone in the league though is he fit enough. i do remember last year Conor o'donnell making a big difference against armagh last year in the league.
We've struggled with mckeirnan in the past so will be interesting to see what they do there. I don't think donegal have any 6ft plus defenders and although they did do well at the back last week I'd think cavan could try and use Thomas galligan at ff from time to time and launch a few ones in.
Ultimately you have to fancy donegal. If cavan keep it close there is a suspicion about donegal. Though maybe they should also try and focus on positives of recent close games. We were coasting against armagh in the league and possibly should have lost it in the end though won it with the last kick. Every time you here about derry it's that they should have beat us last year but they didn't. Tyrone had us beat in the league this year but donegal really turned it around in the second half. There was no michael murphy that evening either. A common enough feature in these matches in a winning point from mcbrearty so maybe just leave him on the field even if it's not going well for him.
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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "It will interesting to see if cavan push up on the donegal kickout. Armagh near the end did make inroads when they started to push up and turned over donegal a few times. Though in 2020 cavan never bothered and were successful. They had a good defensive structure that donegal struggled with it. If they do push up I don't know whether raymond galligan will come out to cover pattons longer kick. I think donegal will continue to push up and as much as it did work against armagh though it was only from mid way through the first half that it really started to work. Armagh were leading up to that point. Galligan is a much better keeper than Hughes or rafferty though. He was very good against donegal in 2020 and very good against dublin in the semi final as well.
Donegal are susceptible to be turned over when carrying the ball out of the defence. Mayo get really good success against donegal when doing that. Perhaps donegal need to share the load a bit more. Ban is a great carrier of the ball so try to get it to him when the opposition are pressurising. Use langan, mogan and have shane o'donnell coming back the odd time. Mcff helps on that front too.
Hopefully Jason mcgee is ok too and he's bound to have take a lot of confidence from armagh. The point he scored he kind of powered through the defence and it would be great to see more of that. I think mcff will come back in and pick up and I wouldn't completely rule out neil mcgee either. I'm not sure though who you'd drop. I suppose they are nice decisions to have and having a game changer or two on the bench is very important as well. The last time against cavan farrah and thompson and mcmenamin were injured in the lead up. Mcff was away with the army and think Jason mcgee was struggling with injury as well. Having the injuries earlier in the league also gave Shane o'donnell and Connor o'donnell and Jason mcgee plenty opportunity. All this (injuries permitting) should create more strength off the bench. Oisin farrah made a big difference against tyrone in the league though is he fit enough. i do remember last year Conor o'donnell making a big difference against armagh last year in the league.
We've struggled with mckeirnan in the past so will be interesting to see what they do there. I don't think donegal have any 6ft plus defenders and although they did do well at the back last week I'd think cavan could try and use Thomas galligan at ff from time to time and launch a few ones in.
Ultimately you have to fancy donegal. If cavan keep it close there is a suspicion about donegal. Though maybe they should also try and focus on positives of recent close games. We were coasting against armagh in the league and possibly should have lost it in the end though won it with the last kick. Every time you here about derry it's that they should have beat us last year but they didn't. Tyrone had us beat in the league this year but donegal really turned it around in the second half. There was no michael murphy that evening either. A common enough feature in these matches in a winning point from mcbrearty so maybe just leave him on the field even if it's not going well for him." Still a fair few of those U20 winning teams about. They're all now at that age around 30 with good experience and such, many nearly on 100 inter County appearances for Cavan. They're pretty much the backbone of the team. Interesting note that Cavan won a minor Ulster in 2011, and some of those players then won an U21 title and Senior in 2020. Think there's 5 of them. Very rare for Cavan to have players with a provincial clean sweep
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Still a fair few of those U20 winning teams about. They're all now at that age around 30 with good experience and such, many nearly on 100 inter County appearances for Cavan. They're pretty much the backbone of the team. Interesting note that Cavan won a minor Ulster in 2011, and some of those players then won an U21 title and Senior in 2020. Think there's 5 of them. Very rare for Cavan to have players with a provincial clean sweep" And that Cavan underage team had our number on many occasions, they were a great side
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