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Being written off for the final now. The Sunday Game lads have our obituary written anyway but hopefully we produce a big performance. Are we capable of beating Monaghan or Derry? Yes we are. But it'll take improvement for sure. I think there is no harm having room to improve going into an Ulster final having faced an awkward and capable Cavan team rather than destroying a team and being hyped to the clouds. It's really up to our players now, they've got the talent to go to another level, but the question marks won't go away until they produce wins against big teams in big games.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 09/05/2022 15:47:29
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Replying To cavanman47: " Replying To MurphBalls: "[quote=Breffni1969: "[quote=Tirchonaill1: "[quote=cavanman47: ""Cavan seemed to be missing nothing early on, one of them days when 90% of your shots go over the bar"
Really?? We scored 9 points from 17 shots in the first half.
I'm not sure what the stats were for the 2nd half but it definitely wasn't a case of us being economical in front of goal at any point during the game.
And what about McGonnigle's point? He completely skewed it and it somehow split the posts! There were Donegal fans beside me laughing at it and questioning where the ball wouldve gone if he connected properly with it. Not to mention 2 other skied efforts leading to goals. We've only ourselves to blame for not dealing with those 2 high balls but fortune definitely favoured Donegal yesterday in that respect." Someone said Cavan scored 9 points from their first 10 shots so I suppose that's where my perception came from, semi finals are there to be won and we got the job done not playing very well, I rem the '92 All ireland semi final being a brutal game but that all changed come the final. looking back at it today with relief really, great to be in there with a chance of winning Ulster again and I hope we see Michael Murphy lift the Anglo Celt this year and have a right good go and winning the Sam Maguire. I see a bright future for Cavan football, it's very hard to figure how that team slipped all the way down to div 4,they play the game the right way, Ulster is getting more competitive though with Derry looking like contenders again, it really is a fantastic Championship, next Sunday is another humdinger of a game in prospect, not sure which of them I'd prefer to meet in the final."
I didn't see much improvement in Donegals display yesterday from the Armagh game."]To be fair Donegal were terrible yesterday. Too many handling errors and not enough of conviction. I would expect Donegal to improve against a better side in Monaghan or Derry but I'm not expecting anything from this Donegal team if they keep on going with this style of football they play. But I hope I'm wrong."]Given that we've beaten Monaghan twice in the last 3 years, and Derry haven't gotten far enough to even meet us, on what basis are you considering either of them a "better side"?"]Their inside forward line is more of a scoring threat.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 09/05/2022 15:58:46
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Replying To Breffni1969: "You fail to grasp that the 2 Donegal goals came from mistakes by the Cavan backs.
Now we might get away with those mistakes in Div 3/4 but as shown yesterday Donegal pounced on those mistakes very very quickly.
Now that should answer your question about playing at a higher level.
We need to be consistently floating between Div 1 and 2 to gain experience from making the defensive mistakes that led to both goals yesterday.
Lads like McBrearty can destroy you in 5 mins even though you have kept tabs on them for 65 mins .
Higher level consistently leads to more experience gained and more long term improvement .
Which part can you not understand???" I don't get you. I plainly say in the post of mine you reply to that we need to be in a higher League. I say we would be far far better playing a higher grade. I literally say this, yet you again come at me (not for the first time from you) by not reading my post, and saying stuff like I fail to grasp, and which part can I not understand. I understand it very well, thank you. We do need to be in a higher division, and yes, those mistakes made the game. However, I will say, that going by you and the other fellas, with the Division 1 vs 4 talk, you were expecting us to be beat out the gate by 20+ points and that was not the case. There are many people talking about how good we are, the players we have, and how well we put it up to Donegal for 60 minutes, and then only fell away with the lucky goals. You're mad as you know I've been right all along, that we would be competitive in Ulster despite dropping to Div 4. Learn to separate arguments and see things for how they are.
And learn to go back and read my posts properly before getting mad at something that I plainly agree with you on. We absolutely do need to be in a higher division.
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "I don't get you. I plainly say in the post of mine you reply to that we need to be in a higher League. I say we would be far far better playing a higher grade. I literally say this, yet you again come at me (not for the first time from you) by not reading my post, and saying stuff like I fail to grasp, and which part can I not understand. I understand it very well, thank you. We do need to be in a higher division, and yes, those mistakes made the game. However, I will say, that going by you and the other fellas, with the Division 1 vs 4 talk, you were expecting us to be beat out the gate by 20+ points and that was not the case. There are many people talking about how good we are, the players we have, and how well we put it up to Donegal for 60 minutes, and then only fell away with the lucky goals. You're mad as you know I've been right all along, that we would be competitive in Ulster despite dropping to Div 4. Learn to separate arguments and see things for how they are.
And learn to go back and read my posts properly before getting mad at something that I plainly agree with you on. We absolutely do need to be in a higher division." I'm delighted we didn't play the complicated **** you been talking about.
We played the old style let the ball do the work . Quick inside.
And it was a joy to watch.
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 09/05/2022 16:27:07
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Replying To Breffni1969: "I'm delighted we didn't play the complicated **** you been talking about.
We played the old style let the ball do the work . Quick inside.
And it was a joy to watch." Ah deflection, realise I caught you, so go attack something else I didn't day.
And we did play that way. You must not have watched the match closely enough. The way the moved the ball, and the players got themselves into positions, it's the style I was one about. And that's the antithesis of the caveman lump it in football you were promoting. You're actually too funny
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 09/05/2022 16:42:49
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Impressed by Cavan.best team in the first half. Huge energy and skill. I think it's safe to say that Donegal didn't take their eye off the ball in 2020, we just got beat by the better team on the day.
Cavan operate in 2nd gear, doing enough to win, against teams they should beat handy and then step it up big time vs teams they are underdogs against, and it works.
Impressed with Cavans tactics yesterday also.
Think there's plenty of positives from a Donegal POV but a lot to work on also.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 09/05/2022 17:34:38
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Being written off for the final now. The Sunday Game lads have our obituary written anyway but hopefully we produce a big performance. Are we capable of beating Monaghan or Derry? Yes we are. But it'll take improvement for sure. I think there is no harm having room to improve going into an Ulster final having faced an awkward and capable Cavan team rather than destroying a team and being hyped to the clouds. It's really up to our players now, they've got the talent to go to another level, but the question marks won't go away until they produce wins against big teams in big games." In fairness the Sunday Game has become a running Joke when it comes to Gaelic Football punditry, being written off by them is usually a good sign.
Kerry beat a very poor Cork team by 12 points, a Cork team who were lucky to avoid relegation to Division 3 and who I think Cavan would hammer out the gate, and yet pundit analysis is "Kerry still on track".
Donegal beat a Cavan team who have been consistently strong in Ulster Championship for the last 3-4 years by 6 points, a Cavan team who won Ulster in 2020, and pundit analysis is "Donegal don't know what they are about, too unpredictable". Cavan are better side than Cork and have played Donegal in 4 of the last 5 Ulster Championships and know Donegal inside out. Be fair and unbiased.
Take Pat Spillane, he spends more time making statements about changing the rules or format of the game than actually focusing on how teams performed. Weekend headline from Spillane - "Time for a Split Season".
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1118 - 10/05/2022 08:35:07
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Replying To Breffni1969: "I'm delighted we didn't play the complicated **** you been talking about.
We played the old style let the ball do the work . Quick inside.
And it was a joy to watch." You've shown with that post that you haven't a clue that you're talking about.
Take the Patton save. The Cavan build-up to that chance was more complicated than you probably capable of comprehending.
It started with James Smith pulling wide right to engage Ryan McHugh, miles away from the play.
Cavan then worked the ball up the left wing, and Paddy Lynch pulled McCole across in that direction to allow James move in at the back post in a complete height mismatch with McHugh.
Instead of giving the quick ball into Lynch when it was on, Cavan played it instead to Conor Moynagh, who had moved up from his sweeper position to take the ball unmarked, facing the play, on the left. (Moynagh is probably our best passer of the ball)
From there he was free to hit James with a low-trajectory driven (not lumped!) ball. James won it cleanly and but for a brilliant save would've scored an excellent team goal.
Sure wasn't it you on the Cavan forum who blamed Padraig Faulkner for Killian Clarke dropping the ball for Donegal's 2nd goal!
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Replying To Commodore: "In fairness the Sunday Game has become a running Joke when it comes to Gaelic Football punditry, being written off by them is usually a good sign.
Kerry beat a very poor Cork team by 12 points, a Cork team who were lucky to avoid relegation to Division 3 and who I think Cavan would hammer out the gate, and yet pundit analysis is "Kerry still on track".
Donegal beat a Cavan team who have been consistently strong in Ulster Championship for the last 3-4 years by 6 points, a Cavan team who won Ulster in 2020, and pundit analysis is "Donegal don't know what they are about, too unpredictable". Cavan are better side than Cork and have played Donegal in 4 of the last 5 Ulster Championships and know Donegal inside out. Be fair and unbiased.
Take Pat Spillane, he spends more time making statements about changing the rules or format of the game than actually focusing on how teams performed. Weekend headline from Spillane - "Time for a Split Season"." Fair and unbiased is all you want as you say Commodore. There was little to no analysis of our effective play. It was all luck according to the lads on the Sunday Game. I think Cavanagh in particular can't stand us and is unable to hide this in any shape or form. When we beat Tyrone earlier on in the league in Ballybofey with a late victory, he was barely able to put a sentence together afterwards. The man is well suited to RTE, let's put it that way.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 10/05/2022 10:16:39
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Replying To cavanman47: "You've shown with that post that you haven't a clue that you're talking about.
Take the Patton save. The Cavan build-up to that chance was more complicated than you probably capable of comprehending.
It started with James Smith pulling wide right to engage Ryan McHugh, miles away from the play.
Cavan then worked the ball up the left wing, and Paddy Lynch pulled McCole across in that direction to allow James move in at the back post in a complete height mismatch with McHugh.
Instead of giving the quick ball into Lynch when it was on, Cavan played it instead to Conor Moynagh, who had moved up from his sweeper position to take the ball unmarked, facing the play, on the left. (Moynagh is probably our best passer of the ball)
From there he was free to hit James with a low-trajectory driven (not lumped!) ball. James won it cleanly and but for a brilliant save would've scored an excellent team goal.
Sure wasn't it you on the Cavan forum who blamed Padraig Faulkner for Killian Clarke dropping the ball for Donegal's 2nd goal!" I wouldn't take much notice of that fella. Was crowing all last week about playing a lump in on the square game, and moving McKiernan onto the square. They obviously haven't watched much football recently, or indeed this century. Not got a clue
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2391 - 10/05/2022 10:54:41
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Replying To TheRock2121: "Impressed by Cavan.best team in the first half. Huge energy and skill. I think it's safe to say that Donegal didn't take their eye off the ball in 2020, we just got beat by the better team on the day.
Cavan operate in 2nd gear, doing enough to win, against teams they should beat handy and then step it up big time vs teams they are underdogs against, and it works.
Impressed with Cavans tactics yesterday also.
Think there's plenty of positives from a Donegal POV but a lot to work on also." Very fair post. Mickey Graham is a very shrewd operator. His work with Mullaghnachta was outstanding as well.
I would hope that Donegal go to ground now for 3 weeks and that management develop a couple of curve-ball attacking ploys that will belie the criticism that we are too predictable.
Kevin McStay's Irish Times column this week was centered around the Michael Murphy-full forward dilemma. His overall point was that Donegal may win another Ulster by Murphy continuing to operate in his roving role. But if they are to win an All Ireland he needs to spend the majority of his time around the square.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9147 - 10/05/2022 10:54:49
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Being written off for the final now. The Sunday Game lads have our obituary written anyway but hopefully we produce a big performance. Are we capable of beating Monaghan or Derry? Yes we are. But it'll take improvement for sure. I think there is no harm having room to improve going into an Ulster final having faced an awkward and capable Cavan team rather than destroying a team and being hyped to the clouds. It's really up to our players now, they've got the talent to go to another level, but the question marks won't go away until they produce wins against big teams in big games." the GAA media is amongst the most fickle there is. Cavan were getting the same treatment last week which I thought was totally unfair, anyway its Donegal's turn now. as has been mentioned before this game will stand to you. you met something that was able to challenge your key game plan of running from deep. I'll not say much until the monaghan Derry game is over but it'd be totally ludicrous to write off Donegal and at the moment id be putting you as favourites. best of luck in the final!!!!!
just on the media note again I haven't heard anything about the skill levels we seen on show Sunday from both sides. it has to be admired, some of the best fielding, point taking, tackling and as much as it kills me to say...opportunism you could wish to see in a game
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Replying To Commodore: "In fairness the Sunday Game has become a running Joke when it comes to Gaelic Football punditry, being written off by them is usually a good sign.
Kerry beat a very poor Cork team by 12 points, a Cork team who were lucky to avoid relegation to Division 3 and who I think Cavan would hammer out the gate, and yet pundit analysis is "Kerry still on track".
Donegal beat a Cavan team who have been consistently strong in Ulster Championship for the last 3-4 years by 6 points, a Cavan team who won Ulster in 2020, and pundit analysis is "Donegal don't know what they are about, too unpredictable". Cavan are better side than Cork and have played Donegal in 4 of the last 5 Ulster Championships and know Donegal inside out. Be fair and unbiased.
Take Pat Spillane, he spends more time making statements about changing the rules or format of the game than actually focusing on how teams performed. Weekend headline from Spillane - "Time for a Split Season"." 100% agree, absolute bull. just pure lazy
theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 10/05/2022 11:04:44
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Replying To cavanman47: "You've shown with that post that you haven't a clue that you're talking about.
Take the Patton save. The Cavan build-up to that chance was more complicated than you probably capable of comprehending.
It started with James Smith pulling wide right to engage Ryan McHugh, miles away from the play.
Cavan then worked the ball up the left wing, and Paddy Lynch pulled McCole across in that direction to allow James move in at the back post in a complete height mismatch with McHugh.
Instead of giving the quick ball into Lynch when it was on, Cavan played it instead to Conor Moynagh, who had moved up from his sweeper position to take the ball unmarked, facing the play, on the left. (Moynagh is probably our best passer of the ball)
From there he was free to hit James with a low-trajectory driven (not lumped!) ball. James won it cleanly and but for a brilliant save would've scored an excellent team goal.
Sure wasn't it you on the Cavan forum who blamed Padraig Faulkner for Killian Clarke dropping the ball for Donegal's 2nd goal!" Number 1 does it matter who dropped the ball ?? It was dropped and ended up in the net end of.
Secondly I talk about the uncomplicated @@@@ I'm referring to the direct ball that led to the first half scores.
A save is a save no use crying what could have been.
We were more direct than previous. Even Mickey admitted he went out to have a right "cut" at Donegal.
Now we couldn't say that about previous Div 4 games where we made thing as complicated as we could by lateral passing and back passing against weaker teams.
Going direct suits us better. We are probably a few corner forwards short of having a nice team.
And as regards your dig at the "lumped " ball Donegal got 2 goals from their " lumped" balls.
But then again they knew who they where " lumping " it in against I suppose!!
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 10/05/2022 11:11:54
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Replying To theweanling: "the GAA media is amongst the most fickle there is. Cavan were getting the same treatment last week which I thought was totally unfair, anyway its Donegal's turn now. as has been mentioned before this game will stand to you. you met something that was able to challenge your key game plan of running from deep. I'll not say much until the monaghan Derry game is over but it'd be totally ludicrous to write off Donegal and at the moment id be putting you as favourites. best of luck in the final!!!!!
just on the media note again I haven't heard anything about the skill levels we seen on show Sunday from both sides. it has to be admired, some of the best fielding, point taking, tackling and as much as it kills me to say...opportunism you could wish to see in a game" Well said, I have said it separately but I think Cavan have the players and manager to really challenge our strengths and to expose our weaknesses in Donegal and with a bit more luck on Sunday there could have been another victory there for Cavan. But the result is all down to lucky goals for Donegal, no credit as you say to the good play from both sides really, at least not with RTE. At least on BBC NI you had Oisín McConville giving huge credit to the tactics from Cavan and to the ability of the players to execute the game plan.
RTE I think can be really simplistic with their "analysis". The positives for Cavan are the usual patronising ones, "hunger" "desire" etc., nothing about the skill and brains needed from the players to carry out the tackling, the organisation and the scores taken as well. And for Donegal, sure we're just inconsistent, don't know what you're gonna get etc., lazy stuff about our defence or style of play or whatever else. Even though we beat the hyped up Armagh with absolute ease and didn't play well that day, and got over a really tough Cavan challenge as well with more room for improvement. Cavanagh can barely hide what he really thinks about Donegal football.
To be honest I think it suits now for everyone to be unconvinced by us. Even if (and it's a big if!) we manage to get over the line and win another Ulster please god, I don't think we'll be taken seriously in the All-Ireland series. It's fair enough in some ways because we were hyped up by the same crowd for years and didn't deliver, so now we're seeing the flipside of it. But I always feel the truth is somewhere in the middle, no team is ever as good or as bad as they say. Most of these pundits see a result and a few minutes of highlights and nothing else. That's why I much prefer BBC's coverage, they know the Ulster counties inside out and have a bit of insight, for example before the game on Sunday they highlighted Brendan McCole and who he would pick up in Cavan, Canavan and McConville disagreed on who he should pick up but both were talking about how good he has been for Donegal (now Lynch gave him a rough ride on Sunday first half!). But that sort of simple enough insight, just from watching Donegal this year you'd know McCole has been brilliant, but that's missing from RTE.
And we're one of the Div 1 counties! I'd say counties in the other divisions have the hair torn out with "analysis", if they get any at all.
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Replying To Breffni1969: "Number 1 does it matter who dropped the ball ?? It was dropped and ended up in the net end of.
Secondly I talk about the uncomplicated @@@@ I'm referring to the direct ball that led to the first half scores.
A save is a save no use crying what could have been.
We were more direct than previous. Even Mickey admitted he went out to have a right "cut" at Donegal.
Now we couldn't say that about previous Div 4 games where we made thing as complicated as we could by lateral passing and back passing against weaker teams.
Going direct suits us better. We are probably a few corner forwards short of having a nice team.
And as regards your dig at the "lumped " ball Donegal got 2 goals from their " lumped" balls.
But then again they knew who they where " lumping " it in against I suppose!!" They weren't lumping it in. They were 2 mishit shots. Opportunistic though to make the most of them, but they weren't a tactic of lumping it in on the square...
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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "They weren't lumping it in. They were 2 mishit shots. Opportunistic though to make the most of them, but they weren't a tactic of lumping it in on the square..." I'd take miss shots like those any day!!!
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 10/05/2022 13:15:58
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Replying To JoeSoap: "Well said, I have said it separately but I think Cavan have the players and manager to really challenge our strengths and to expose our weaknesses in Donegal and with a bit more luck on Sunday there could have been another victory there for Cavan. But the result is all down to lucky goals for Donegal, no credit as you say to the good play from both sides really, at least not with RTE. At least on BBC NI you had Oisín McConville giving huge credit to the tactics from Cavan and to the ability of the players to execute the game plan.
RTE I think can be really simplistic with their "analysis". The positives for Cavan are the usual patronising ones, "hunger" "desire" etc., nothing about the skill and brains needed from the players to carry out the tackling, the organisation and the scores taken as well. And for Donegal, sure we're just inconsistent, don't know what you're gonna get etc., lazy stuff about our defence or style of play or whatever else. Even though we beat the hyped up Armagh with absolute ease and didn't play well that day, and got over a really tough Cavan challenge as well with more room for improvement. Cavanagh can barely hide what he really thinks about Donegal football.
To be honest I think it suits now for everyone to be unconvinced by us. Even if (and it's a big if!) we manage to get over the line and win another Ulster please god, I don't think we'll be taken seriously in the All-Ireland series. It's fair enough in some ways because we were hyped up by the same crowd for years and didn't deliver, so now we're seeing the flipside of it. But I always feel the truth is somewhere in the middle, no team is ever as good or as bad as they say. Most of these pundits see a result and a few minutes of highlights and nothing else. That's why I much prefer BBC's coverage, they know the Ulster counties inside out and have a bit of insight, for example before the game on Sunday they highlighted Brendan McCole and who he would pick up in Cavan, Canavan and McConville disagreed on who he should pick up but both were talking about how good he has been for Donegal (now Lynch gave him a rough ride on Sunday first half!). But that sort of simple enough insight, just from watching Donegal this year you'd know McCole has been brilliant, but that's missing from RTE.
And we're one of the Div 1 counties! I'd say counties in the other divisions have the hair torn out with "analysis", if they get any at all." rte has gone to be a joke. the pundits seem to be on a serious tight leash. you'd actually hear better analysis in the pub that evening. I'd imagine what you say is right. BBC pundits know ulster inside out as its just one province to follow. RTE cover the three other provinces also. having said that though they should be able to give insightful analysis in a couple of minutes slot rather than using the same buzz words.
on another note mc Cole will also be the better of Sunday. after his marking job on o' neill he was probably getting too much attention and was being crowned replacement for Neil Mc Gee. this game will take the spot light of him and he can go back in to the pack training where he's much more comfortable. it's great to see him coming good as he's done his apprenticeship now for 4 years maybe ??
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Replying To JoeSoap: "Well said, I have said it separately but I think Cavan have the players and manager to really challenge our strengths and to expose our weaknesses in Donegal and with a bit more luck on Sunday there could have been another victory there for Cavan. But the result is all down to lucky goals for Donegal, no credit as you say to the good play from both sides really, at least not with RTE. At least on BBC NI you had Oisín McConville giving huge credit to the tactics from Cavan and to the ability of the players to execute the game plan.
RTE I think can be really simplistic with their "analysis". The positives for Cavan are the usual patronising ones, "hunger" "desire" etc., nothing about the skill and brains needed from the players to carry out the tackling, the organisation and the scores taken as well. And for Donegal, sure we're just inconsistent, don't know what you're gonna get etc., lazy stuff about our defence or style of play or whatever else. Even though we beat the hyped up Armagh with absolute ease and didn't play well that day, and got over a really tough Cavan challenge as well with more room for improvement. Cavanagh can barely hide what he really thinks about Donegal football.
To be honest I think it suits now for everyone to be unconvinced by us. Even if (and it's a big if!) we manage to get over the line and win another Ulster please god, I don't think we'll be taken seriously in the All-Ireland series. It's fair enough in some ways because we were hyped up by the same crowd for years and didn't deliver, so now we're seeing the flipside of it. But I always feel the truth is somewhere in the middle, no team is ever as good or as bad as they say. Most of these pundits see a result and a few minutes of highlights and nothing else. That's why I much prefer BBC's coverage, they know the Ulster counties inside out and have a bit of insight, for example before the game on Sunday they highlighted Brendan McCole and who he would pick up in Cavan, Canavan and McConville disagreed on who he should pick up but both were talking about how good he has been for Donegal (now Lynch gave him a rough ride on Sunday first half!). But that sort of simple enough insight, just from watching Donegal this year you'd know McCole has been brilliant, but that's missing from RTE.
And we're one of the Div 1 counties! I'd say counties in the other divisions have the hair torn out with "analysis", if they get any at all." Well said I watched the game on RTE and recorded it on bbc and watched it later,listening to pat spillan before the game on RTE he basically said that Cavan had no chance and Donegal would do the same as what Kerry did the evening before to cork and that after 50 minutes Donegal's know how would blow Cavan away because Donegal play at a higher level. After the game he basically said the same thing again to justify what he'd said earlier but failed to mention that before the goals Cavan were well in the game could have had a penalty and but for a great save by Patton would have had a goal ,he's always running down Ulster football yet never mentioned the quality that both teams displayed on Sunday isn't the man that's showing Kerry how to defend an Ulster man ,don't care how many all irelands he has I think it time RTE put him and O'Rourke out to grass.
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