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Most teams now only use their own stats for in-play. Almost all use external data providers now for post-match analysis as proper time, facilities, experience and money is put into it from the external guys' side. In regards to TV coverage, it doesn't matter what Joe Public want to see - I've spoken to RTE numerous times over the years and they only want the 'pub chat' stats such as 'wides' and the times teams were level (an absolutely shite stat in a score-for-score sport) Wides stat doesn't give context at all and yet they still use it always TheWinningFormula (Tipperary) - Posts: 4 - 01/05/2022 10:11:10 2414299 Link 0 |
For the last time placing stats in context is down to other aspects of management such as emotional intelligence, man management and common sense. I've said that to you more than once. Arsenal Wenger's failures were a failure of his management not of stats. I put the word gushing in inverted commas because any stats people worth their salt wouldn't be "gushing" over possession stats when that possession wasn't being converted in to wins. Are you telling me thar Jurgen Klopp doesn't take tackle stats very seriously? Of course he does. Stats provide empirical information. Of course they need a context. I've said that to you more than once. They are important because they inform decision making before, during and after matches. Used in conjunction with video analysis they are vital part in any functioning management set up. If they weren't then they wouldn't be used. You should try it sometime.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 01/05/2022 10:31:21 2414310 Link 0 |
Some club sides use video analysis. Analysts will video the opposition and tag their games. Individual players will get analysis on opposing players performances, how many kick passes/hand passes left/right, how many runs into space, turnovers, broken down to try to give players an edge when they play that opposition. Still depends on the game plan, running game, kicking game, mix, defend deep, press high. So they could have amazing data and one coach can turn it to their advantage and another will struggle with it.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 01/05/2022 13:03:08 2414348 Link 4 |
Yup. The information is only as good as the coach who is using it. Whilst analysts will analyse the opposition it is more important that clubs analyse their own performances both individually and collectively.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 01/05/2022 14:31:34 2414366 Link 0 |
Would like to see how many minutes of each game the ball is actually in play.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 01/05/2022 16:21:07 2414387 Link 1 |
Thanks to everyone who replied. Some very interesting points made. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 01/05/2022 16:21:17 2414388 Link 0 |
I'm a stat nerd, I want them all, turnovers double turnovers, kickouts won and where, possessions by player, number of handpasses footpasses, set plays leading to scores, the list is endless
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1595 - 03/05/2022 16:29:37 2414687 Link 0 |
Well the foot pass stat you could write on the back of a stamp!
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 03/05/2022 16:41:09 2414696 Link 0 |
Results. For some reason the GAA community at large has a habit of failing to record results for posterity. Various county GAA websites are guilty of this too. You can see the scores from a county's senior championship this year, but next year this year's scores will vanish for all eternity. Let's get that right before worrying about how much possession some team had in the opposition's half.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 04/05/2022 15:11:03 2414875 Link 0 |
The GPS data would be interesting. There was a lad played with me used to wear the kit and it was fascinating to see his stats after. Heat maps of where he was on the pitch, distance covered, number of sprints top speeds reached, speed comparisons from early and late in the game. dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 338 - 04/05/2022 15:30:55 2414878 Link 0 |
The less often for Cork teams these days, the better for them!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1925 - 04/05/2022 15:31:36 2414879 Link 0 |
Some online archives and stats sites are starting to pop up to address some of this issue and other similar losses of historical information. Here is a terrific example in Longford... (link)
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 473 - 04/05/2022 15:32:24 2414880 Link 1 |
Why did you comment like that? It has nothing to do with the topic. Or to the admin, why they did they allow it go through? Site is being ruined by trolls who just post smartass comments. Loads of people that used to debate just drop off. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 04/05/2022 18:17:48 2414923 Link 1 |
Yerra, lighten up Benny boy, and have a sense of humor. I know that it's been quite a bad week for Cork GAA teams all round, but that could all change, should you beat the Kingdom on Sunday, and I for one, would welcome that. I've been told for years that Cork fans are full or craic and banter (as you Irish call it...having a laugh is what we say over here), but it seems that the craic and banter only works for certain Cork boys when they're winning!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1925 - 05/05/2022 09:35:46 2414972 Link 0 |
Maybe get the wides stats first
Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 05/05/2022 11:23:56 2415012 Link 0 |
Slayer my favourite stats are hooks, blocks and turnovers. Any team working hard will come out on top in these stats and I think they are a fulcrum on which every decent team builds. Hard work. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1736 - 05/05/2022 13:26:41 2415050 Link 0 |
That's a great site LongfordgaaAbú. Not just the content but it looks great, user friendly. There's a Mayo GAA archive below. I just love looking at the old photos, a real sense of history and games played by tough men, not lads who spent a lot of time in gyms striving for targets set by S&C coaches. link GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 05/05/2022 21:19:18 2415150 Link 4 |
Turnovers are one of my favourite stat around, forced vs unforced is always interesting it shows who is working hard and who is making mistakes/being sloppy. UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 06/05/2022 18:36:06 2415342 Link 0 |
This is a thing of great beauty!
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1042 - 08/05/2022 16:32:44 2415604 Link 2 |
Very good. I can only imagine the time it must have taken to compile that archive. Impressive dedication!
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 473 - 08/05/2022 18:36:46 2415655 Link 1 |