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What Stats Do Fans Like?

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HS posters,

What stats do you like to see as GAA fans?

Most teams have their own in house statistics that are relevant to that team and how they approach the game.

But if your county are playing and you are watching Sky/RTE/TG4, they all go about stats in slightly different ways but each are interesting.

I'd like to know what people like ourselves think? All feedback welcome.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 25/04/2022 11:57:54    2413031

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Replying To slayer:  "HS posters,

What stats do you like to see as GAA fans?

Most teams have their own in house statistics that are relevant to that team and how they approach the game.

But if your county are playing and you are watching Sky/RTE/TG4, they all go about stats in slightly different ways but each are interesting.

I'd like to know what people like ourselves think? All feedback welcome."
Can't say I'm too interested in stats tbh.
I think they can be deceiving, for example having 70% possession sounds like you're playing well but perhaps the opposition are happy to let you have the ball as they know you won't do much with it.

Also, making X amount of turnovers sounds good but if the midfielders and forwards aren't using their newly found possession to create a score then its for nothing.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1720 - 30/04/2022 10:54:26    2414123

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Can't say I'm too interested in stats tbh.
I think they can be deceiving, for example having 70% possession sounds like you're playing well but perhaps the opposition are happy to let you have the ball as they know you won't do much with it.

Also, making X amount of turnovers sounds good but if the midfielders and forwards aren't using their newly found possession to create a score then its for nothing."
The stats will tell you those details.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/04/2022 11:37:47    2414130

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Can't say I'm too interested in stats tbh.
I think they can be deceiving, for example having 70% possession sounds like you're playing well but perhaps the opposition are happy to let you have the ball as they know you won't do much with it.

Also, making X amount of turnovers sounds good but if the midfielders and forwards aren't using their newly found possession to create a score then its for nothing."
All this terminology about primary possession, smarts and turnovers is just pure bunkum. The great commentators and coaches of the past never put much store in them. Just be more skilful and better than the opposition.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 30/04/2022 11:53:41    2414134

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "All this terminology about primary possession, smarts and turnovers is just pure bunkum. The great commentators and coaches of the past never put much store in them. Just be more skilful and better than the opposition."
If stats had been emphasised and available in the past they would have been used by the great coaches of the past.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/04/2022 12:30:40    2414146

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "All this terminology about primary possession, smarts and turnovers is just pure bunkum. The great commentators and coaches of the past never put much store in them. Just be more skilful and better than the opposition."
One new phrase that annoys me anytime I hear it is "game management".

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 30/04/2022 12:35:00    2414149

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Final score is all that matters,that's the only stat to worry about

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 441 - 30/04/2022 12:36:47    2414150

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Replying To slayer:  "HS posters,

What stats do you like to see as GAA fans?

Most teams have their own in house statistics that are relevant to that team and how they approach the game.

But if your county are playing and you are watching Sky/RTE/TG4, they all go about stats in slightly different ways but each are interesting.

I'd like to know what people like ourselves think? All feedback welcome."
Scores.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 379 - 30/04/2022 12:40:24    2414152

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Replying To Greengrass:  "The stats will tell you those details."
The stats will tell you those details without telling you the nature of the game, even factors such as the weather and the size of the crowd,home or away game, the importance of the game, (meaningless league game vs championship), to the point where the players might have had a row with his girlfriend the night before, and may not be completely focused, would arguably compromise whatever stats youre compiling,

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1720 - 30/04/2022 13:09:01    2414159

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Replying To Galway9801:  "The stats will tell you those details without telling you the nature of the game, even factors such as the weather and the size of the crowd,home or away game, the importance of the game, (meaningless league game vs championship), to the point where the players might have had a row with his girlfriend the night before, and may not be completely focused, would arguably compromise whatever stats youre compiling,"
Lies, damned lies and statistics! :)

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 30/04/2022 13:15:00    2414161

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "All this terminology about primary possession, smarts and turnovers is just pure bunkum. The great commentators and coaches of the past never put much store in them. Just be more skilful and better than the opposition."
I don't think your own manager Down there would agree with that. Stats can be very useful as a collective. Of course you don't rely on them alone but they are a vital part of todays game.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11236 - 30/04/2022 13:18:20    2414162

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Replying To Galway9801:  "The stats will tell you those details without telling you the nature of the game, even factors such as the weather and the size of the crowd,home or away game, the importance of the game, (meaningless league game vs championship), to the point where the players might have had a row with his girlfriend the night before, and may not be completely focused, would arguably compromise whatever stats youre compiling,"
Ah here you are talking about two entirely different things. What you have outlined is related to external factors that are considered and managed by the management and players. Stats give you the facts of the game. They eliminate perception and provide the basis for the management to make informed decisions before, during and after the match.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/04/2022 13:28:43    2414164

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Replying To oneoff:  "One new phrase that annoys me anytime I hear it is "game management"."
Me too. We used to call that "running down the clock". That phrase "game management" belongs with other pretentious, needless phrases such as "going forward", "not fit for purpose" and my pet hate "reached out".

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/04/2022 13:32:14    2414165

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Ah here you are talking about two entirely different things. What you have outlined is related to external factors that are considered and managed by the management and players. Stats give you the facts of the game. They eliminate perception and provide the basis for the management to make informed decisions before, during and after the match."
It's the complete opposite of what you say.
Stats can absolutely give you a false perception,, for the reasons I just mentioned,, you've an awful habit of replying to my posts without even reading them properly.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1720 - 30/04/2022 14:06:19    2414169

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Limerick are the only the county the have a 100 percent winning rate in All Ireland football football finals. Played two and won two. They are also the only county to win more All Irelands than their provincial title. Two All Irelands to one Munster title.

Louth are the only county to win an All Ireland with a walk over Kerry in 1910 because the Kingdom refused to play after the Great Southern and Western Railway would not sell tickets to their fans at reduced rates. Louth hold the record for the longest gap between successive All-Ireland titles with 45 years. (1912 to 1957).

In 1998 Kildare became the only team in championship football to beat the previous three All Ireland in the same championship season Dublin (1995 winners) , Meath (1996 winners) and Kerry (1997 winners).

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 785 - 30/04/2022 14:11:19    2414170

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Replying To Galway9801:  "It's the complete opposite of what you say.
Stats can absolutely give you a false perception,, for the reasons I just mentioned,, you've an awful habit of replying to my posts without even reading them properly."
I read your posts. That's why I reply to them. You have to xhibited no understanding of what stats do. They inform people of what happened during a game. What you are referring to is related to another aspect of management that being man management and emotional intelligence. Factors such as the weather are related to basic common sense.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/04/2022 15:14:35    2414187

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Replying To Greengrass:  "I read your posts. That's why I reply to them. You have to xhibited no understanding of what stats do. They inform people of what happened during a game. What you are referring to is related to another aspect of management that being man management and emotional intelligence. Factors such as the weather are related to basic common sense."
But they can completely skew whatever information you're trying to from those stats.

In Arsene Wengers final years at arsenal the stats men would have gushed over the amount of possession and chances they had but anyone with even a basic understanding of the game would have known that those stats weren't worth the paper they're written on.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1720 - 30/04/2022 16:00:13    2414200

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Replying To Galway9801:  "But they can completely skew whatever information you're trying to from those stats.

In Arsene Wengers final years at arsenal the stats men would have gushed over the amount of possession and chances they had but anyone with even a basic understanding of the game would have known that those stats weren't worth the paper they're written on."
For the last time stats can be and are viewed in the context of what is happening within the squad. If for example one of your players is going through a difficult time personally and it is adversely affecting his play that will be taken in to consideration by the management team. That is called man management. Your analogy with regards to Arsenal is ridiculous. If Arsenal had a huge percentage of the play and were still losing rather than "gushing" over the possession stats questions would be asked as to what was happening with possession. You can be absolutely sure that Liverpool's style of play and the decisions Jurgen Klopp makes are informed by stats. I'm not sure that you know why and how stats are used.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 30/04/2022 16:55:46    2414217

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Replying To slayer:  "HS posters,

What stats do you like to see as GAA fans?

Most teams have their own in house statistics that are relevant to that team and how they approach the game.

But if your county are playing and you are watching Sky/RTE/TG4, they all go about stats in slightly different ways but each are interesting.

I'd like to know what people like ourselves think? All feedback welcome."
I'd like to see big game temperament stats. Not really an in-game stat I suppose. Sorting out the Drogba's from the Lukaku's, the difference between a player who thrived in the big occasion and a flat-track bully. We might have a few players who have, though as a team not a biggest game temperament. Would be worth analysing why that is if we want to win an All Ireland. And how some teams remedied that. Doing the right things at the right time.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 30/04/2022 18:23:31    2414226

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Replying To Greengrass:  "For the last time stats can be and are viewed in the context of what is happening within the squad. If for example one of your players is going through a difficult time personally and it is adversely affecting his play that will be taken in to consideration by the management team. That is called man management. Your analogy with regards to Arsenal is ridiculous. If Arsenal had a huge percentage of the play and were still losing rather than "gushing" over the possession stats questions would be asked as to what was happening with possession. You can be absolutely sure that Liverpool's style of play and the decisions Jurgen Klopp makes are informed by stats. I'm not sure that you know why and how stats are used."
Of course I'm sure how and why they're used, but the context is so important in terms of the analysis that the stats themselves are nowhere near as meaningful as they're made out to be.
The comparison with Wengers arsenal isn't ridiculous at all seeing as how he was so reluctant to deviate from his plan.
And you're also wrong about the Liverpool analysis too. Character and mentality play a huge role in whether or not klopp likes a player.
Alexis Sanchez to Man utd is probably more up your alley.
And finally, why did you put the word gushing in inverted commas? It's a real word and I used it appropriately.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1720 - 30/04/2022 18:43:09    2414229

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