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Replying To oneoff: "The league hasn't been played during the winter in over 20 years. The only reason you're saying the league shouldn't have anything to do with the championship is because it effects Cavan at the moment. But of course you'll never admit that." It's started at the end of January, and done by March before the clocks change. That's winter football pal. Sure they when called it the windy league this year due the the bad weather most of the way through it. We're basing things on a League played at a bad time of the year, as the dates show. It's meant to be a summer game for Championship Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 21/06/2022 11:29:29 2426554 Link
Replying To indaknownow: "The championship is based on the championship. If you get to your provincial final no matter where you perform in the league then you get into the all ireland series. If you win the tailteann cup regardless of where you finish in the league you get into the all ireland. So the first 9 places out of 16 are awarded based on championship performance. after that rating the teams on their league position is a much better assessment of relative position. how can you compare Armagh who were beaten in the first round of ulster by Donegal to Wexford who beat Offaly in leinster prelim but then lost to dublin.. Oh wait Armagh are in Div 1 Wex finished in the bottom half of Div 4. Some people just want to give out about everything. Maybe I'm the bigger fool for even engaging!!" I know that, just that the provincials are so lopsided due to it being ahrder4 for Ulster and Connacht teams to reach a final, and relatively easier in Munster and Leinster (although you're then likely to be beat in the final). Not giving out about everything, but the system is not equal for all counties, with some with easier runs, and chances of going further simply by the province they're in. The system is flawed, and has many issues that need sorted. Just discussing them is all. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 21/06/2022 11:42:10 2426562 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Agreed. Most people will agree that Cavan's league ranking isn't a true reflection of where they are. Cavan are responsible for that. The league ranks teams 1 to 32. There is no need for a seeding over 5 years. Perform in the current league and earn your stripes." But why? Why League, when it's about Championship. Can you answer me this, can you name me a club championship in the country that sets their Championship standings based on their League? Every county as far as I know promote based on winning intermediate/junior titles etc. and relegate based on relegation playoffs after Championship standings. Not League. Earning your stripes is in Championship. People remember Championship results and titles, not Leagues. As it's the big one. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 21/06/2022 11:45:26 2426564 Link
Replying To Temple56: "When was the last time Cavan competed during the summer months? The only ulster championship they have won in the last 25 years was won during the winter?" Do it regularly enough. Played into July in 2019, late June 2018. Got to the quarters into August in 2013. We go decently enough a fair few summers. So? Could we have helped when Covid disrupted that final into the later part of the year? And what's your point anyway? I'm making a general point about the system and process which has many flaws, not my own county. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 21/06/2022 11:50:35 2426568 Link
Replying To oneoff: "The league hasn't been played during the winter in over 20 years. The only reason you're saying the league shouldn't have anything to do with the championship is because it effects Cavan at the moment. But of course you'll never admit that." And I haven't mentioned my county. We're going fine regardless, just pointing out the flaws, which you know exist as they are as clear as day. That's your only comeback whenever I mention anything - I'm not the one bringing Cavan into this, you are... Anyway, I'm dropping this. We did this all months ago and everyone got wound up. If you can't see now, you never will. Remember to scroll past my posts, as I'm done with you now. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 21/06/2022 11:53:32 2426569 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Do it regularly enough. Played into July in 2019, late June 2018. Got to the quarters into August in 2013. We go decently enough a fair few summers. So? Could we have helped when Covid disrupted that final into the later part of the year? And what's your point anyway? I'm making a general point about the system and process which has many flaws, not my own county." all im hearing about is cavan i thought that 2 teams made up a final . i know yee boys have delusions of grandeur but a little bit of respect wouldnt go astray . the cup is not in breffni yet mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1802 - 21/06/2022 11:56:41 2426574 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "And I haven't mentioned my county. We're going fine regardless, just pointing out the flaws, which you know exist as they are as clear as day. That's your only comeback whenever I mention anything - I'm not the one bringing Cavan into this, you are... Anyway, I'm dropping this. We did this all months ago and everyone got wound up. If you can't see now, you never will. Remember to scroll past my posts, as I'm done with you now." But you're obviously not going to mention Cavan are you? It doesn't take a genesis to figure it out if Cavan hadn't been relegated you'd have nothing to say on the topic. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 21/06/2022 11:59:19 2426579 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "And I haven't mentioned my county. We're going fine regardless, just pointing out the flaws, which you know exist as they are as clear as day. That's your only comeback whenever I mention anything - I'm not the one bringing Cavan into this, you are... Anyway, I'm dropping this. We did this all months ago and everyone got wound up. If you can't see now, you never will. Remember to scroll past my posts, as I'm done with you now." So how do you think Cavan will do in the final against Westmeath? tarfboy (Dublin) - Posts: 27 - 21/06/2022 12:00:27 2426580 Link
Replying To tarfboy: "So how do you think Cavan will do in the final against Westmeath?" I see McStay advocating 3 tiers in the Football Championship. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1417 - 21/06/2022 12:17:11 2426595 Link
Replying To tarfboy: "So how do you think Cavan will do in the final against Westmeath?" Cavan are a class above Westmeath at their best and should win this fairly easily. Cavan have the physicality to deal with Westmeath. crafty (Galway) - Posts: 249 - 21/06/2022 12:22:14 2426600 Link
Hopefully we'll prove you wrong. A comprehensive nine point win versus division 2 opposition last Sunday versus a three point win over a division four side indicates we've a chance. Bookmakers have Cavan as favourites but certainly not by much, you won't get near 2-1 on my county so that indicates a very close contest. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1489 - 21/06/2022 12:28:26 2426608 Link
Replying To mickcunningham: "all im hearing about is cavan i thought that 2 teams made up a final . i know yee boys have delusions of grandeur but a little bit of respect wouldnt go astray . the cup is not in breffni yet" You're the lad coming at me. Where have I not had respect, or have delusions of grandeur as you say? I'm speaking about the competition in general, and the system of splitting. Again, I'm not referring to my county here. Others might have said stuff (and I saw you replying to them) but wasn't me. You sure you're not getting mixed up? Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 21/06/2022 12:40:37 2426611 Link
Replying To crafty: "Cavan are a class above Westmeath at their best and should win this fairly easily. Cavan have the physicality to deal with Westmeath." Based on what are Cavan a class above Westmeath?Don't get me wrong, we are far from perfect and I wouldn't be getting carried away after our win against a poor Offaly team but from watching Cavan against Sligo I don't understand people's view of them being strong favourites. Sligo missed some great goal chances and if Sligo hadNiall Murphy fit from the start it could have been a different outcome. As strong physically as Cavan are the showed defensive vulnerabilities when Sligo ran at them. We have showed a strong running game so far this year and this is an area we can definitely target Cavans defence. mintyfresh (Westmeath) - Posts: 211 - 21/06/2022 12:42:47 2426612 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Hopefully we'll prove you wrong. A comprehensive nine point win versus division 2 opposition last Sunday versus a three point win over a division four side indicates we've a chance. Bookmakers have Cavan as favourites but certainly not by much, you won't get near 2-1 on my county so that indicates a very close contest." Absolutely. We probably are slight favourites, but that's it. We've both beat the relegated Division 2 sides well, while we both struggled against a Division 4 team in the run to the final. So all very even so far. Probably slight favourites due to experience in winning a provincial title, and other factors. But I expect a very tight game, and whoever wins it will have deserved it on their run and form. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 21/06/2022 12:44:23 2426613 Link
Replying To tarfboy: "So how do you think Cavan will do in the final against Westmeath?" Think it'll be very tight. Two evenly enough matched teams, and Croker can be a leveller. Cavan have work to do after their semi, while Westmeath need to maybe reign things in a bit after their win. They're the 2 best in it the whole way through, the 2 favourites from the outset. Cavan made to be slight favourites with the bookies due to Championship form last number of years I suppose. But it'll be tight. I think Cavan by a few points, but that's just me, could easily go either way. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 21/06/2022 12:47:43 2426615 Link
Its the one good thing about croker in that you win nothing by turning up. It has been known in the past as a massive leveller and dream breaker all in one. It does take getting used to and no doubt an added benefit of this competition. I think its 50/50. Cavan will need to make changes earlier, push up on the Westmeath kickout and generally get a better final ball inside. There will also be no room for missed chances. Westmeath will bring the intensity and physicality and I would expect Martin (some size of a man in the flesh) to start if fit. Should be a duster Btw, ppl giving out about the crowd. You must remember that days like this are more important for the next generation as the players or any of us. A savage amount of kids for Cavan, offaly, westmeath and sligo turned up on Saturday. New dreams, new heroes. I just hope the proposed exorbitant ticket prices doesn't take away from it all ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 540 - 21/06/2022 13:42:30 2426639 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "I see McStay advocating 3 tiers in the Football Championship." I would disagree. Cavan and Sligo both made the Tailteann semi-finals on merit. The top half of Division 4 have shown they are well capable of challenging for the Tailteann. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7844 - 21/06/2022 14:23:20 2426652 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "I know that, just that the provincials are so lopsided due to it being ahrder4 for Ulster and Connacht teams to reach a final, and relatively easier in Munster and Leinster (although you're then likely to be beat in the final). Not giving out about everything, but the system is not equal for all counties, with some with easier runs, and chances of going further simply by the province they're in. The system is flawed, and has many issues that need sorted. Just discussing them is all." Harder for ulster teams to reach a final I totally agree. thats why it makes total sense to base the other 7 positions based on the league. There will be a minimum of 5 ulster teams in next years AI championship which is a fair proportion (Six if Cavan win on Sunday) you are just contradicting yourself all the time. This is not a perfect system but its not too bad and its better than what we had. 1. At the start of every championship season EVERY team can compete for SAM. - Regardless of league position (if this system was in place a few years ago London would have been in the AI Championship. 2. The tailteann cup gives more chance to more teams for Competetive games. 2 teams that played in Div 4 made the Semis - one in the final. 3. There is the obvious path for progression - if you win the tailteann cup. indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 21/06/2022 14:41:00 2426659 Link
Replying To indaknownow: "Harder for ulster teams to reach a final I totally agree. thats why it makes total sense to base the other 7 positions based on the league. There will be a minimum of 5 ulster teams in next years AI championship which is a fair proportion (Six if Cavan win on Sunday) you are just contradicting yourself all the time. This is not a perfect system but its not too bad and its better than what we had. 1. At the start of every championship season EVERY team can compete for SAM. - Regardless of league position (if this system was in place a few years ago London would have been in the AI Championship. 2. The tailteann cup gives more chance to more teams for Competetive games. 2 teams that played in Div 4 made the Semis - one in the final. 3. There is the obvious path for progression - if you win the tailteann cup." Not contradicting myself at all. I've been clear from the start, that linking league to Championship is not the way to do it. What I have given though, is what I would see the better way. And I've also given a suggestion of how to link it better, if that's the way they're going to go (which looks like they are). It's possible to hold 2 opinions on 2 different scenarios, and that's not being contradictory. I've been consistent in what I'm saying. And yes, I agree with most of what you say. But I'd go further. I'd run the league as is, and let it be the secondary competition where you can try things. Then promote the 2 Tailteann finalists, and have playoffs between the 4 Round 1 Qualifier losers and relegate the 2 losers of that. You therefore reward good Championship form, and relegate on poor form. As it should be. Every Championship in the country is based on how you did in the previous years Championship. Why all of a sudden so we do differently to the biggest Championship of them all? League is secondary Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2383 - 21/06/2022 15:14:12 2426673 Link
Replying To crafty: "Cavan are a class above Westmeath at their best and should win this fairly easily. Cavan have the physicality to deal with Westmeath." How are they a class above, when they are were a division below?? The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 213 - 21/06/2022 15:50:28 2426686 Link