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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Tiobraid, look back over the years. I remember as a young lad in '64 and '65 Tipp absolutely hockeying Cork in both Munster Finals and also destroying KK and Wexford in the two Finals. Who would have thought that Tipp would win just one All Ireland in the next 22 seasons- and were fortunate to win that one. When Cork destroyed Waterford by record margins in '82 and '83 who would have thought they would lose both Finals. There is absolutely no guarantee Limerick will win the All Ireland this year though they are favourites."
Agreed theres never a guarantee and this time last year I fully believed Limerick were over rated. I was as wrong as I have ever been! I've seen Limerick play off their best the last few years and still win easily at the end - prime example against Tipp this year where they literally knew they could turn it on when they wanted! I've never seen a hurling team like them where panic isnt in their nature at all. Hannon and Nash in particular are masters at leading the team by doing the right thing especially when the pressure comes on.
Given what is being said about Galway I can see some red cards on Sunday. I've no doubt Gillane will be targetted given the little digs he gave in the past to Eanna Murphy in particular. Could be a tasty one early on especially if Grealish moves over on Gillane.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/07/2022 12:44:38    2428982

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I pick Clare to edge Kilkenny in the first semi final, and Limerick to beat Galway. If Galway have one their days when all systems click, well then who knows.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 01/07/2022 12:47:26    2428983

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "There is nothing worse at a GAA match than a lad showing up behind you with a bodhran. You are going to listen to this insufferable din for 2 hours from some Johnny-come-lately who wouldn't be able to tell you who the county champions are.
Give me the Kilkenny crowd over the nouveau riche bandwagon associated with any other newly successful county at any given time. Say what you want the Kilkenny support are if nothing else knowledgeable about the game. Every other county has a core support through good and bad and then a massive bandwagon when times get good."
If you can find them because they don't even show up on the turnip wagon never mind the bandwagon. They may show up for the final. I know having lived there for 15 years and returning from their games to the local to find their knowledge was limited to what the other fellow told them. Not having watched it even on the t.v. Incidentally I am a great admire of Kilkenny hurling and rarely missed going to their games but you have elevated them to level that does not align with my experience.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3044 - 01/07/2022 13:55:07    2428997

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Replying To tiobraid:  "How are people still going on about this? That Limerick team wasnt a patch on todays team (although they are the same players). They are completely different animals these days. They were highly inconsistent that year and lost half of their championship games and their shooting was highly erratic. That kk team on paper was not a bad team at all. Tipp lost one of 8 championship games that year and to the best of my knowledge no other team have won 7 games to win an all ireland - although I stand to be corrected on that one. Tipp scored 16 goals in the championship that year and ran up huge scores in most of those games (30+ points in 6 of them). Only for a slightly surprise win for an underperforming Clare in the final group game Limerick would have not even reached that Munster final.
In that semi final, Hannon, Hegarty, O'Donoughue, Tom M and P Casey were all taken off - Hannon being the only one injured if memory serves me correctly. Those changes alone show that Limerick were certainly not the superpower then that they are now. They were far more inconsistent back then and didnt deserve to win that All Ireland by a long shot. The KK team that beat them that day were a team full of winners and it was not the ambush many seem to think it was.

Ps. you succeeded in riling me up. well done!"
Spot on. It had nothing to do with hype that day. There were several factors that occurred that day. That Limerick team hadn't seen a physical aggression or intensity in any match they played as senior hurlers to that point. This was a factor in going 10 points down early. This was not the only factor. They got it back to 1 point down with 20 to go and it was their execution which didn't get them over the line. They lacked composure at times. They had been a bit inconsistent but for me the main reason they didn't get over the line was the loss of Hannon after 24 mins. He was the leader at that time and the younger lads looked up to him. They have never let that be a factor since both readt for an overly aggressive opponent and reliance on one or two leaders. They are now the aggressor and there are leaders in every line of the field. It was in time the making of this team.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 01/07/2022 14:03:10    2428998

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Replying To tiobraid:  "How are people still going on about this? That Limerick team wasnt a patch on todays team (although they are the same players). They are completely different animals these days. They were highly inconsistent that year and lost half of their championship games and their shooting was highly erratic. That kk team on paper was not a bad team at all. Tipp lost one of 8 championship games that year and to the best of my knowledge no other team have won 7 games to win an all ireland - although I stand to be corrected on that one. Tipp scored 16 goals in the championship that year and ran up huge scores in most of those games (30+ points in 6 of them). Only for a slightly surprise win for an underperforming Clare in the final group game Limerick would have not even reached that Munster final.
In that semi final, Hannon, Hegarty, O'Donoughue, Tom M and P Casey were all taken off - Hannon being the only one injured if memory serves me correctly. Those changes alone show that Limerick were certainly not the superpower then that they are now. They were far more inconsistent back then and didnt deserve to win that All Ireland by a long shot. The KK team that beat them that day were a team full of winners and it was not the ambush many seem to think it was.

Ps. you succeeded in riling me up. well done!"
You got it in one tiobraid. People seem to think that because they were AI Champions at the time that they had some god-given right to win that game. Kilkenny met them with a ferocity which they couldn't match.
Yes if they had that time again they'd be more prepared, but if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.
They were not the world beaters in 2019 that they have since become.
The team who really left something behind them in 2019 were Wexford for me. They won't get as close again as when they had Tipp beaten but couldn't finish them off.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1340 - 01/07/2022 14:19:24    2429002

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Replying To tiobraid:  "How are people still going on about this? That Limerick team wasnt a patch on todays team (although they are the same players). They are completely different animals these days. They were highly inconsistent that year and lost half of their championship games and their shooting was highly erratic. That kk team on paper was not a bad team at all. Tipp lost one of 8 championship games that year and to the best of my knowledge no other team have won 7 games to win an all ireland - although I stand to be corrected on that one. Tipp scored 16 goals in the championship that year and ran up huge scores in most of those games (30+ points in 6 of them). Only for a slightly surprise win for an underperforming Clare in the final group game Limerick would have not even reached that Munster final.
In that semi final, Hannon, Hegarty, O'Donoughue, Tom M and P Casey were all taken off - Hannon being the only one injured if memory serves me correctly. Those changes alone show that Limerick were certainly not the superpower then that they are now. They were far more inconsistent back then and didnt deserve to win that All Ireland by a long shot. The KK team that beat them that day were a team full of winners and it was not the ambush many seem to think it was.

Ps. you succeeded in riling me up. well done!"
Im sorry but I disagree. The Munster final that year showed the gap was there between Limerick and Tipperary. The round robin match was a joke. Limerick rested players. Had they won, Clare would have qualified instead of Cork after we beat them in Ennis.

Kilkenny beat Limerick and I genuinely believe Limerick took their feet off the pedal for that match.

Tipperary won the All Ireland, people remember the red card but Tipperary were comfortable up to that point and would have won the match regardless.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 01/07/2022 14:52:08    2429015

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Replying To tiobraid:  "How are people still going on about this? That Limerick team wasnt a patch on todays team (although they are the same players). They are completely different animals these days. They were highly inconsistent that year and lost half of their championship games and their shooting was highly erratic. That kk team on paper was not a bad team at all. Tipp lost one of 8 championship games that year and to the best of my knowledge no other team have won 7 games to win an all ireland - although I stand to be corrected on that one. Tipp scored 16 goals in the championship that year and ran up huge scores in most of those games (30+ points in 6 of them). Only for a slightly surprise win for an underperforming Clare in the final group game Limerick would have not even reached that Munster final.
In that semi final, Hannon, Hegarty, O'Donoughue, Tom M and P Casey were all taken off - Hannon being the only one injured if memory serves me correctly. Those changes alone show that Limerick were certainly not the superpower then that they are now. They were far more inconsistent back then and didnt deserve to win that All Ireland by a long shot. The KK team that beat them that day were a team full of winners and it was not the ambush many seem to think it was.

Ps. you succeeded in riling me up. well done!"
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There is no need to be riled its only an opinion and is not designed to stir.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 01/07/2022 14:53:06    2429016

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "You got it in one tiobraid. People seem to think that because they were AI Champions at the time that they had some god-given right to win that game. Kilkenny met them with a ferocity which they couldn't match.
Yes if they had that time again they'd be more prepared, but if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.
They were not the world beaters in 2019 that they have since become.
The team who really left something behind them in 2019 were Wexford for me. They won't get as close again as when they had Tipp beaten but couldn't finish them off."
"but if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle".

Not necessarily true. Nowadays, your auntie can have balls, and still be your auntie.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2775 - 01/07/2022 15:29:33    2429031

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "Im sorry but I disagree. The Munster final that year showed the gap was there between Limerick and Tipperary. The round robin match was a joke. Limerick rested players. Had they won, Clare would have qualified instead of Cork after we beat them in Ennis.

Kilkenny beat Limerick and I genuinely believe Limerick took their feet off the pedal for that match.

Tipperary won the All Ireland, people remember the red card but Tipperary were comfortable up to that point and would have won the match regardless."
Cork beat limerick by 7 points in that group. Did that show there was also a significant gap between the two of those teams? The narrative is that Tipp were lucky to win that all Ireland but limerick failed to beat teams that Tipp beat comfortably that year. People forget that Tipp beat Cork by 7, waterford by 18 and Clare by 13 before coming from being well beaten by wexford to win by 2 and beating Kk by 14 in the final. Much of what people seem to remember that year is the two underwhelming performances against Laois and Limerick.
Up to the Munster final that year most people were saying Tipp were playing their best ever hurling. I don't think any team has gone through the group stages with as comfortable of wins. It's easy forget how convincing Tipp won a lot of those matches and how most could genuinely not separate Noel, Ronan or Seamie for hurler of the year. To the best of my knowledge Sean Finn was limericks only all star that year. At that time limerick were a really good team but inconsistent and incorrect to suggest they would have easily beat Tipp in the final. A team that's miles ahead of everyone doesn't lose that many games.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/07/2022 15:47:16    2429040

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Replying To Canuck:  "If you can find them because they don't even show up on the turnip wagon never mind the bandwagon. They may show up for the final. I know having lived there for 15 years and returning from their games to the local to find their knowledge was limited to what the other fellow told them. Not having watched it even on the t.v. Incidentally I am a great admire of Kilkenny hurling and rarely missed going to their games but you have elevated them to level that does not align with my experience."
The KK county hurling final will have the biggest attendance in the entire country, even bigger than the Dublin football final or Cork hurling final

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 01/07/2022 16:10:53    2429052

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Looking forward to the final against Limerick. The lads will revell on this.

F4 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 47 - 01/07/2022 17:06:49    2429067

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People might disagree,but I think 2019 was the making of this limerick team..I think if they had possibly won we would not be enjoying a possible 3 in a row effort now..I agree that losing hannon was huge..also an early booking for Sean finn meant that for killkenny goal he couldn't give away a free in lead up to goal..limerick have learnt hugely from 19 and I also think kiely and management have learned..the weekend ahead is huge,I'll take a one point win and another all ireland final appearance..I'm changing my mind all week on other semi..I'm saying Clare because I feel they got rid of the bad performance last day out,also they love croke park..pretty sure on Monday morning something will happen in these matches that everyone will talk about.all players also will be watched even more than usual and I just hope I dont see any sledging,which I detest..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2511 - 01/07/2022 17:27:43    2429072

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "PS

There is no need to be riled its only an opinion and is not designed to stir."
The real issue that day was with Declan Hannon who experienced a medical condition which also affected him against Cork in 2018, Galway in the 2017 league semi-final and in at least one Mary I Fitzgibbon game which now seems to have abated. He was forced off at half time and shouldn't have started the match. It meant that Kyle Hayes spent most of that half covering Declan's position as Limerick effectively played with just 14. It was a major mistake by the Limerick sideline. We had a legitimate complaint with the 65 at the end of the game but that was overshadowed for me by the situation in the first half. With shot ourselves in the foot with both barrels and had no-one to blame for that but ourselves.

There's a reasonable case, in my view at least that Limerick threw away the 2019 All Ireland but you can balance that by acknowledging that we had a fair share of luck in 2018 as well.

This is a remarkable Limerick team - the best that I've seen in over 40 years watching Limerick hurling and I hope that they can keep it rolling for another a year or two until the pack catches us which they inevitably will.

I'm very curious as to how these games will be refereed. To my mind, you should only send off a player that you have to as opposed to where you can and I hope that we won't be talking about discipline stuff next week.

I think that Limerick will will improve from the Munster final because (1) We should have the full deck of players back from injury, (2) Croke Park suits the athletes on the team (3) Limerick have trained and prepared to peak in the All Ireland series not in the Munster championship and certainly not in the league (4) There will be a massive Limerick support base in Croke Park. My guess is that we'll outnumber Galway 4:1 in the stands and it does make a difference.

I always say that games are played on grass and not on computer screens so you just never know!!!

Dealer (Limerick) - Posts: 837 - 01/07/2022 17:41:41    2429077

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Replying To katser:  "He'd hardly go with Monaghan and Glennon midfield, J.Cooney C Mannion J Flynn half forward line, B Concannon C Cooney C Whelan full forward line?
That midfield have speed and that half forward line are all big physical skillfull hurlers."
Well I got 7 out of the 8 right...a few positions changed but still a strong 15!!
Galway team
Murphy
Morrissey, Burke, Grealish
F.Burke, Gmac, P.Mannion
Davy Burke, R.Glennion
Monaghan, C.Cooney, J.Cooney
Concannon, Whelan, C.Mannion

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2570 - 01/07/2022 20:46:11    2429102

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Agreed theres never a guarantee and this time last year I fully believed Limerick were over rated. I was as wrong as I have ever been! I've seen Limerick play off their best the last few years and still win easily at the end - prime example against Tipp this year where they literally knew they could turn it on when they wanted! I've never seen a hurling team like them where panic isnt in their nature at all. Hannon and Nash in particular are masters at leading the team by doing the right thing especially when the pressure comes on.
Given what is being said about Galway I can see some red cards on Sunday. I've no doubt Gillane will be targetted given the little digs he gave in the past to Eanna Murphy in particular. Could be a tasty one early on especially if Grealish moves over on Gillane."
I think Gillane and the rest of the Limerick team were tested the last day in that Clare tried everything thing to get under their skin but they didn't react and for a finish Clare lost their discipline. Going forward this is a lesson we learnt to keep the cool and we will win out in the end but the Galway keepers temperament is suspect and as good as he was the last day he can be a weak link if he gets distracted.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 899 - 01/07/2022 21:09:44    2429107

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I'm sticking with my original prediction from the start.....Galway v Clare All Ireland Final.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2570 - 02/07/2022 09:29:28    2429123

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Replying To katser:  "I'm sticking with my original prediction from the start.....Galway v Clare All Ireland Final."
What about respecting the cats!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 02/07/2022 10:43:20    2429129

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "The KK county hurling final will have the biggest attendance in the entire country, even bigger than the Dublin football final or Cork hurling final"
I don't know about this year but what the record attendance for a Kilkenny County Final?. I attended a Cork County Final in '76 and the turnout was 36, 000 and a few more exceeded the 30, 000 mark. In my home county, by contrast, we seldom get over 6,000.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 02/07/2022 10:43:28    2429130

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Galway are given no chance in this AISF, nice

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 02/07/2022 10:48:37    2429134

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""but if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle".

Not necessarily true. Nowadays, your auntie can have balls, and still be your auntie."
Lol

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15749 - 02/07/2022 11:03:14    2429137

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