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Replying To slayer:  "Thanks Wexford.

Do you think the league run was a help to ye that year or did it make any difference?"
Used to be a good gap between the League and Championship and then less Championship games as it was knockout. So it didn't really make a huge difference.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15785 - 11/06/2022 18:37:57    2423995

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Replying To Viking66:  "We already have 1 of those type competitions. It's called the League because its a league type competition.
The championship was always knockout. It was diluted with a backdoor. Then diluted some more with a round robin. All to get more games. There's enough games now."
Exactly Viking66 but turn it in to a meaningful one and get rid of the warm up one. There are so many different ways of doing it. If you don't want so many games have two section or conferences. Everyone one won't play everyone in the same year but a system to rotate the teams in the groups easy to do. 12 teams in the McCarthy cup. Five games to play and take the top two from each to knock out. it might be enough to relegate one team with the bottom team in each section playing off. I believe this would benefit the Antrims and Westmeaths getting to play in the championship proper against better teams. Antrim did well today but it tells them nothing. One swallow does not make a summer. Get Offaly back in the equation. Westmeath are already there but getting one shot a year if lucky to upgrade and evaluate themselves. Never going to happen. Like someone else said the elite teams are only interested in preserving what suits them and play lip service to the rest.
You can still have the Joe McDonagh for the second division automatic promotion and Nicky Rackard for the third with automatic promotion.
In my opinion the league and the provincial systems have out lived their usefulness. The league a pre season competition and the provincial system that should not be the path way through our national competition. Thats my opinion for what its worth like it or not.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3046 - 11/06/2022 20:16:51    2424036

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2 great quarter finals next weekend and finally some sense regarding a double header in Thurles. Why aren't they on Sunday though are there football matches on?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1341 - 11/06/2022 21:42:37    2424089

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Replying To Canuck:  "Exactly Viking66 but turn it in to a meaningful one and get rid of the warm up one. There are so many different ways of doing it. If you don't want so many games have two section or conferences. Everyone one won't play everyone in the same year but a system to rotate the teams in the groups easy to do. 12 teams in the McCarthy cup. Five games to play and take the top two from each to knock out. it might be enough to relegate one team with the bottom team in each section playing off. I believe this would benefit the Antrims and Westmeaths getting to play in the championship proper against better teams. Antrim did well today but it tells them nothing. One swallow does not make a summer. Get Offaly back in the equation. Westmeath are already there but getting one shot a year if lucky to upgrade and evaluate themselves. Never going to happen. Like someone else said the elite teams are only interested in preserving what suits them and play lip service to the rest.
You can still have the Joe McDonagh for the second division automatic promotion and Nicky Rackard for the third with automatic promotion.
In my opinion the league and the provincial systems have out lived their usefulness. The league a pre season competition and the provincial system that should not be the path way through our national competition. Thats my opinion for what its worth like it or not."
Love the Provincial Championships myself. League is a good competition in its own right. Why mess with it when it's working for everyone?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15785 - 11/06/2022 21:54:21    2424096

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People will always find something to complain about .. the Championship is so good now people feel sorry for the league!

I've hardly missed a Galway league game in 20 years and I don't care any more or less about it than I did in the early 00s

Gforce20017 (Galway) - Posts: 8 - 11/06/2022 21:55:19    2424098

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Have Peter Duggan and Rory Hayes received a one match ban each for their respective dirty play against Limerick? And has Fahy the Galway lad received a 2-match ban for stamping on the head of his Kilkenny opponent? I was told this over the phone, but cannot find any written word of it online.

If so, Hayes and Duggan will be huge losses vs. Wexford. With Hayes out, who was having a great year in the full-back line, it could disrupt the cohesiveness of that last line of defence, who til now have kept goals pretty much out."
not so sure of the extent of the possible loss. Like Limerick, Clare have a fine panel and people may step up.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 11/06/2022 22:00:29    2424101

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Have Peter Duggan and Rory Hayes received a one match ban each for their respective dirty play against Limerick? And has Fahy the Galway lad received a 2-match ban for stamping on the head of his Kilkenny opponent? I was told this over the phone, but cannot find any written word of it online.

If so, Hayes and Duggan will be huge losses vs. Wexford. With Hayes out, who was having a great year in the full-back line, it could disrupt the cohesiveness of that last line of defence, who til now have kept goals pretty much out."
Hard to believe Jamesie OConnors article in today's Indo complaining about Brendan Cummins who had highlighted both incidents. Why couldn't he just accept that they were 2 dirty belts in an otherwise clean game, take ur 1 game ban and move on.
It's almost like in these classic matches we should be just happy to have such a great game and forget the odd dirty belt here and there. If a Limerick player had done it, they already be in Midlands prison and Joanne would still be bringing it up 10 years later

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 12/06/2022 13:48:35    2424194

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Hard to believe Jamesie OConnors article in today's Indo complaining about Brendan Cummins who had highlighted both incidents. Why couldn't he just accept that they were 2 dirty belts in an otherwise clean game, take ur 1 game ban and move on.
It's almost like in these classic matches we should be just happy to have such a great game and forget the odd dirty belt here and there. If a Limerick player had done it, they already be in Midlands prison and Joanne would still be bringing it up 10 years later"
He is right to highlight it as the lads have been done with a trial by media.

They deserve the ban don't get me wrong but the process has been a disgrace. RTE basically highlight 2 incidents involving Clare and both players get banned. They ignore 90% of all incidents in games.

Since then I've seen two clips involving Limerick players- one a head first body slam on a Clare attacker off the ball and the second a high head off the ball hurler tackle/strike on Shane o Donnell in the clip where Hegarty was hooked by Kelly and Kelly scored. Why are these not looked at? Why is it only Clare indiscretions? Why was there no Clare man on the panel? Where is the balance? It's not just Jamsie. Eddie Brennan said exactly the same thing.

Why in Clare v Cork did Ian Galvin get banned when in the same skirmish Robert Downey kicked John Conlon on the ground twice? Why is this not brought up?

RTE need to either highlight all incidents or none.

As I said the two lads deserve the ban but we are entering dangerous territory when the National Broadcaster basically fires one team under the bus.

The Sunday Game is gone to the dogs and needs a total revamp. You either have a Clare and Limerick man reviewing the game or no representative.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 12/06/2022 14:37:21    2424206

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Some people were worried about Clare being emotionally ready for the Wexford game as they thought the Munster final would have taken so much out of Clare. We won't have any problems now with the way this has been handled. Chairman if CCC is Kent from Wexford too. Plenty to keep Clare's mind focused.

Duggan and Hayes will be a loss but we have Meehan, Roger and I am heading Aidan McCarth back who are all very good forwards to replace Duggan.

Cian Nolan or Jack Browne can some in for Rory.

No big deal, we move on and get the job done.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 12/06/2022 14:41:28    2424207

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "2 great quarter finals next weekend and finally some sense regarding a double header in Thurles. Why aren't they on Sunday though are there football matches on?"
The Tailteann Cup has been given Sunday for the live semi-finals from Croke Park.
Ideally the preliminary quarter-finals should have been today, giving the McDonagh finalists at least an extra day. The hurling quarter-finals then should be on Sunday.
There's just a desire in the GAA to help the Tailteann become established.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8793 - 12/06/2022 15:04:06    2424213

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Hard to believe Jamesie OConnors article in today's Indo complaining about Brendan Cummins who had highlighted both incidents. Why couldn't he just accept that they were 2 dirty belts in an otherwise clean game, take ur 1 game ban and move on.
It's almost like in these classic matches we should be just happy to have such a great game and forget the odd dirty belt here and there. If a Limerick player had done it, they already be in Midlands prison and Joanne would still be bringing it up 10 years later"
Just the clare based pundits using their platform to support their own. It's understandable. Sunday game have plenty of clare pundits over the years and currently. Jamesie is also employed by sky so wouldn't have much of a problem having a pop. The incidents in question would have been reviewed regardless as they were red card offenses that were missed by the ref and not in the report therefore that's why the citing commissioner is there. Clare might use this as a motivational factor but these things tend not to be a big deal once the match throws in next week. I think Duggan is a lucky boy that the Finn incident doesn't seem to have been considered in this instance and a further ban avoided. Hayes can have no complaints either really. Mad act to do to any player regardless of provocation.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 12/06/2022 15:17:36    2424219

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Have Peter Duggan and Rory Hayes received a one match ban each for their respective dirty play against Limerick? And has Fahy the Galway lad received a 2-match ban for stamping on the head of his Kilkenny opponent? I was told this over the phone, but cannot find any written word of it online.

If so, Hayes and Duggan will be huge losses vs. Wexford. With Hayes out, who was having a great year in the full-back line, it could disrupt the cohesiveness of that last line of defence, who til now have kept goals pretty much out."
Fahy never stamped on his head, it was the leg. No nice, but far less worse than stamping on someone's head.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2775 - 12/06/2022 15:27:26    2424226

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Hard to believe Jamesie OConnors article in today's Indo complaining about Brendan Cummins who had highlighted both incidents. Why couldn't he just accept that they were 2 dirty belts in an otherwise clean game, take ur 1 game ban and move on.
It's almost like in these classic matches we should be just happy to have such a great game and forget the odd dirty belt here and there. If a Limerick player had done it, they already be in Midlands prison and Joanne would still be bringing it up 10 years later"
Very well said Shocs!

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 12/06/2022 15:29:33    2424227

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "He is right to highlight it as the lads have been done with a trial by media.

They deserve the ban don't get me wrong but the process has been a disgrace. RTE basically highlight 2 incidents involving Clare and both players get banned. They ignore 90% of all incidents in games.

Since then I've seen two clips involving Limerick players- one a head first body slam on a Clare attacker off the ball and the second a high head off the ball hurler tackle/strike on Shane o Donnell in the clip where Hegarty was hooked by Kelly and Kelly scored. Why are these not looked at? Why is it only Clare indiscretions? Why was there no Clare man on the panel? Where is the balance? It's not just Jamsie. Eddie Brennan said exactly the same thing.

Why in Clare v Cork did Ian Galvin get banned when in the same skirmish Robert Downey kicked John Conlon on the ground twice? Why is this not brought up?

RTE need to either highlight all incidents or none.

As I said the two lads deserve the ban but we are entering dangerous territory when the National Broadcaster basically fires one team under the bus.

The Sunday Game is gone to the dogs and needs a total revamp. You either have a Clare and Limerick man reviewing the game or no representative."
The incidents you've mentioned would all have been reviewed by the citing commissioner that's their job. They review everything incl. Clips from social media. They would also have reviewed Tony kellys punch on graeme mulcahys head after he hooked him over the sideline. Those would have been reviewed and deemed not worthy of any further action. As you said Duggan and Hayes deserved reds on the day that were missed and hence the retrospective bans. Just because these incidents weren't highlighted on the Sunday game doesn't mean they weren't reviewed by the citing commissioner. Players have been banned over the years by incidents not shown on the Sunday game.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 12/06/2022 15:55:30    2424238

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Hard to believe Jamesie OConnors article in today's Indo complaining about Brendan Cummins who had highlighted both incidents. Why couldn't he just accept that they were 2 dirty belts in an otherwise clean game, take ur 1 game ban and move on.
It's almost like in these classic matches we should be just happy to have such a great game and forget the odd dirty belt here and there. If a Limerick player had done it, they already be in Midlands prison and Joanne would still be bringing it up 10 years later"
That must have been the attitude towards Tony Browne also when Jamesie played. Two years before his legs fully recovered. However he did play inter county hurling until he was 42 at a high level and his aggressor was long gone. I am the one who complains about yellow cards but hitting an opponent deliberately does not need any card only a direct trip to the side line.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3046 - 12/06/2022 16:11:47    2424246

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That's simply not true, incidents are not reviewed like that only on receipt of a compliant or if it's brought to national attention.

There is no retrospective review of all games. The E Downey incident in particular was a 2 game ban if it was highlighted. Kicking a player twice on the ground.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 12/06/2022 16:13:47    2424248

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Replying To daveboy:  "The incidents you've mentioned would all have been reviewed by the citing commissioner that's their job. They review everything incl. Clips from social media. They would also have reviewed Tony kellys punch on graeme mulcahys head after he hooked him over the sideline. Those would have been reviewed and deemed not worthy of any further action. As you said Duggan and Hayes deserved reds on the day that were missed and hence the retrospective bans. Just because these incidents weren't highlighted on the Sunday game doesn't mean they weren't reviewed by the citing commissioner. Players have been banned over the years by incidents not shown on the Sunday game."
Nearly agree with daveyboy. Note the word nearly. I think I could make a fine list of nasty incidents that were not deemed necessary for review or worthy of further action. I always wondered was it because of the clought some counties have. Then I was often wondering should I be wondering about that also. May be it is more obvious that I think.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3046 - 12/06/2022 16:25:12    2424252

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I've stayed out of this conversation but I feel it should have been 2 reds and a suspension fully deserved..what I can't figure is how the Galway player received 2 game ban while Hayes got 1 for using the hurley as a weapon..a lot of ex Clare hurlers have been very critical since last week..dowling being mentioned because he was an analyst but he didn't mention it,it was Cummins and Cahill..Jackie tyrell was on duty for cats match the day before but this hasn't been mentioned.,it's a pity all this has happened after the game we had..it'll be interesting to see if croke park treat the rest of hurling championship the same way.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2511 - 12/06/2022 17:00:58    2424263

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Replying To LohansRedHelmet:  "That's simply not true, incidents are not reviewed like that only on receipt of a compliant or if it's brought to national attention.

There is no retrospective review of all games. The E Downey incident in particular was a 2 game ban if it was highlighted. Kicking a player twice on the ground."
That's not correct lohan. Citing commissioners review incidents outside of a refs report. That's their role. Not just those shown on a TV programme.

Anyway i think most people would agree that clare had lost their discipline a bit as the match wore on. I said after the match I'd have left it all on the field and I still hold that view. It was a powerful match from both sides.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 12/06/2022 17:37:22    2424283

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I honestly love the way people always try to deflect blame from the player pulling the dirty stroke.
Just because TSG highlighted it, or if they hadn't, it should still be investigated.
I have said it for a long time, if the GAA had a video review all these things could be dealt with as they happen. If there is an off the ball incident, let the referee see it and act on it. Saves all this rubbish about CCCC and all the other array of GAA committees and farcical situations with players being cleared for big matches.
If it was a Dublin hurler who pulled either of those strokes, I would have no complaints about a suspension and whether it was highlighted or not is a moot point.
On a side note, I don't normally criticise refereeing but Johnny Murphy yesterday was determined to not let 20 seconds pass in the Wexford Kerry game without a free. He also gave 5-6 yellow cards in the first 20 minutes and I don't know if 1 of them was even slightly dangerous play. He sent off a Kerry hurler for a dubious hit to the head. I get different referees referee games differently but the contrast between this and last Sunday was a world apart. I don't mind some frees going either way but I think referees need to give defending players the benefit of the doubt more, especially now that diving is rampant in our game.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1341 - 12/06/2022 18:03:57    2424300

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