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Replying To tiobraid: "I had a look at the Duggan incident and I didnt see either that or the Hayes incident at the time. Was it highlighted after or did I just miss them? I'm not sure which player youre talkng about as S Flanagan, Gillane and G Hegarty all have been involved in more than one incident the last couple of years and I have issue with the fact the refs bottled all the major incidents. Having now googled and seen the Duggan incident, I do think he will get a ban but hardly any more deserving than other players who at most got a yellow the last two years. It was a red card also - no doubt and Duggan has had it coming this year. His attitude this year has been massively different than the Peter Duggan I remember. Consistently laughing in players faces so I dont feel sorry for him. He's a player like Gillane or Barrett - if you have him on your side you love him - the opposite if with the opposition." No refs did not bottle it. Both Flanagan and Hegarty were sent off twice.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 07/06/2022 19:15:07
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Replying To tiobraid: "I had a look at the Duggan incident and I didnt see either that or the Hayes incident at the time. Was it highlighted after or did I just miss them? I'm not sure which player youre talkng about as S Flanagan, Gillane and G Hegarty all have been involved in more than one incident the last couple of years and I have issue with the fact the refs bottled all the major incidents. Having now googled and seen the Duggan incident, I do think he will get a ban but hardly any more deserving than other players who at most got a yellow the last two years. It was a red card also - no doubt and Duggan has had it coming this year. His attitude this year has been massively different than the Peter Duggan I remember. Consistently laughing in players faces so I dont feel sorry for him. He's a player like Gillane or Barrett - if you have him on your side you love him - the opposite if with the opposition." If the referee didn't see or act on it on the field of play, it should be overlooked!This after the game inquiry is going to ruin the game. I think Shane O' Donnell should have moved into full forward in a swap with Duggan early on! Has certainly performed well there in the past!
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 07/06/2022 21:23:29
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Replying To updwell: "The hypocrisy here is that Limerick incident have been highlighted(and rightly so sometimes) but the Clare poster was happy for everyone to move on from those Clare incidents last Sunday. Believe me we would have been happy to move on from some of our incident in the past but we couldn't and it keeps being thrown at us. Limerick aren't making an issue of this any more than any other county has against us. Would you not agree that all incidents should be judged equally and under the same criteria?
As for the brilliant match itself it was a pleasure to be there and ref should be praised on his reffing and going forward we hopefully will get games like this. Limerick stood up to those incidents on Sunday and got on with it, maybe that's a lesson for others, winners don't dive and roll around looking for bookings and just rise above it." What ever is said about Limerick has nothing to do with Clare you may come on now in a more conciliatory note but your earlier posts tell a different story.
Both Clare Players who were involved in Sundays match have up to now exemplary records ( some very nasty comments on social media} and were playing superb hurling, isolated incidents, it looks now that both could face a lengthy ban it wouldn't happen to other Counties .
The championship will be a lot poorer if that was to happen we have met Limerick now in League & 2 Championship matches 4 hours top class hurling 3 points separated the teams.
Without Dublin in the 70s the great Kerry football team would not be remembered without the great rivalry Dublin provided & likewise with Limerick & Clare.
Limerick are a great team try to be good winners not obvious so far
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 887 - 08/06/2022 08:36:38
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Replying To tiobraid: "Its hypocrisy if you're bringing it up also! I actually didnt see the incident but I'm baffled by the Hayes one. Like the Galway stamp - it doesnt get much sillier than that. Hayes spent far too often yards and yards off Flanagan.
I shouldnt be surprised that the forum is more about the incidents and the Munster-Leinster debate than actually talking a great game.
The two last scores in normal time were up there with the very best and by two players who highlight all that is great about Limerick, Clare and Munster hurling. Neither ever have any form of controversery about them and are two of the all time great players." All that is great about Munster hurling lol - never saw any Kilkenny, Galway or Wexford player score points like those I suppose.......
I think you are believing in your own hype a bit much. It was an epic match but I think the provincial championships were terrible altogether this year bar a few very good games, Limerick/Clare x 2, Limerick/Waterford, Galway/Kilkenny, Wexford/Kilkenny. The rest were largely forgettable, some were watchable, more were terrible but Sunday was streets ahead of the others.
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Replying To Canuck: "Personally l don't take too much notice of t.v.replays. Why ? Because they are incorrect often. Slowing down frames and making the fouled contact look deliberate that is no way close to what occurred. The media and commentators once they go down a certain road with an incident will stick with their initial flawed analysis. Sunday was the nearest thing to a hurling match I have seen in years. Were a few things missed ? Probably but that may be the trade off in getting a competitive hard played game. Some of these analyst make me laugh. They want players carded, sent off while when they played themselves would take your head off. One springs to mind quickly." Funny a Waterford man not taking note of Tv replays considering all of their disciplinary issues the last few years.
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Replying To updwell: "Clare lads did it, nothing to see here....hypocrisy." Unlike the Clare man a weeks ago, he didn't fall to the ground and roll around like he was shot.
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To be fair though, the GAA is full of "nothing to see once my county are in the dock" merchants.
I have no problem whatsoever with 2 lads pulling on a ball and a hurl sliding up the other, etc as often happens. Once they are both pulling on the ball or at least trying to play the ball, hurl away.
There is nothing manly or playing the ball about a lad jabbing the hurl up into a lads face, or as somebody said a lad thinking Flanagan's back was a chopping block. I'm surprised I haven't heard the "he was only trying to shake him off" defence as yet. Having played adult hurling for a good few years now, you don't need to hit a lad in the face to shake him off.
But in true GAA style, we all know the appeal will be dragged out until the week of the quarter final before both are cleared to play on some technicality in rule 256.3c.
And I'd say the same if it was Rory O'Connor or Damien Reck in the dock.
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1128 - 08/06/2022 09:52:31
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Replying To clooney: "I hope you are right on no action, dirty play is so not in Peters game he takes an amount of punishment on & off ball doesn't get numerous frees, the the last one with Sean Finn i would be amazed if he had meant to strike his eyes followed ball all the time it has never been in his locker before id say in Club & County I have seen him send off once on 2 yellow cards that's all
Rory's pull on Flanagan was a bit stupid but Flanagan diden't even appear to notice." Flanagan put his reaction on the score board. Much better than rolling around the field crying for your Mammy.
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I would also add that I never agreed with Diarmuid Connolly getting off on technicalities, before I get accused of "well it was OK back then".....
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Rory Hayes has no excuse, deserves a suspension, he was in All Star contention with his performances this year but his cowardly and dangerous belt on Flanagan was an unnecessary act and reflected the lesson he was receiving.
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Replying To Canuck: "Personally l don't take too much notice of t.v.replays. Why ? Because they are incorrect often. Slowing down frames and making the fouled contact look deliberate that is no way close to what occurred. The media and commentators once they go down a certain road with an incident will stick with their initial flawed analysis. Sunday was the nearest thing to a hurling match I have seen in years. Were a few things missed ? Probably but that may be the trade off in getting a competitive hard played game. Some of these analyst make me laugh. They want players carded, sent off while when they played themselves would take your head off. One springs to mind quickly." Agree totally, the halo on some so called 'analysts' is hilarious!
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Replying To StoreysTash: "All that is great about Munster hurling lol - never saw any Kilkenny, Galway or Wexford player score points like those I suppose.......
I think you are believing in your own hype a bit much. It was an epic match but I think the provincial championships were terrible altogether this year bar a few very good games, Limerick/Clare x 2, Limerick/Waterford, Galway/Kilkenny, Wexford/Kilkenny. The rest were largely forgettable, some were watchable, more were terrible but Sunday was streets ahead of the others." How did you manage to turn my comment into something that offended you? The best player I ever seen was a Leinster man and I was at as many Leinster cship games as Munster games in the 90's. Munster cship as a whole this year wasnt great by any stretch but there was some great games the other years the round robins were on and there was still 3 top class games this year. Why are Leinster people so transfixed about running down the Munster cship? Kk and Limerick have both cantered to all Ireland titles over the last 15 years - why do some people assume that removing two pieces of silverware/chsips will contribute to a better cship? Wexford, Dublin, Tipp and Clare at the start of the year are teams who would have seen provinicial silverware as possibly attainable but probably not an all Ireland. I dont get peoples arguments for lumping all in together - its like the Joe Mac cup. Antrim and Kerry had realistic aims of silverware - put them in Leinster or an All Ireland group series every single year and what have they to play for? Retaining status and regression due to a lack of interest which is what losing brings?
I assume by your comments that the provincials should be scrapped or is it that Leinster is better than Munster? Either way you're completely missing the point and value of the provincial cships. They still mean an awful lot. Look at the reactions of arguably hurlings best managers over the last 30 years on both Saturday and Sunday...
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Replying To tiobraid: "How did you manage to turn my comment into something that offended you? The best player I ever seen was a Leinster man and I was at as many Leinster cship games as Munster games in the 90's. Munster cship as a whole this year wasnt great by any stretch but there was some great games the other years the round robins were on and there was still 3 top class games this year. Why are Leinster people so transfixed about running down the Munster cship? Kk and Limerick have both cantered to all Ireland titles over the last 15 years - why do some people assume that removing two pieces of silverware/chsips will contribute to a better cship? Wexford, Dublin, Tipp and Clare at the start of the year are teams who would have seen provinicial silverware as possibly attainable but probably not an all Ireland. I dont get peoples arguments for lumping all in together - its like the Joe Mac cup. Antrim and Kerry had realistic aims of silverware - put them in Leinster or an All Ireland group series every single year and what have they to play for? Retaining status and regression due to a lack of interest which is what losing brings?
I assume by your comments that the provincials should be scrapped or is it that Leinster is better than Munster? Either way you're completely missing the point and value of the provincial cships. They still mean an awful lot. Look at the reactions of arguably hurlings best managers over the last 30 years on both Saturday and Sunday..." In fairness tiobraid, your post was a good one (as is the above) but I nearly got the bucket out when I saw the "all that is good about Munster hurling" as well. "All that is good about hurling" would have seemed more apt to me too.
I doubt anybody will try to convince you that Leinster is better than Munster.....I can't speak for storeystash and the questions you ask but the reaction to Sunday's match on Twitter was hyperbolic in the extreme.
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Replying To tiobraid: "How did you manage to turn my comment into something that offended you? The best player I ever seen was a Leinster man and I was at as many Leinster cship games as Munster games in the 90's. Munster cship as a whole this year wasnt great by any stretch but there was some great games the other years the round robins were on and there was still 3 top class games this year. Why are Leinster people so transfixed about running down the Munster cship? Kk and Limerick have both cantered to all Ireland titles over the last 15 years - why do some people assume that removing two pieces of silverware/chsips will contribute to a better cship? Wexford, Dublin, Tipp and Clare at the start of the year are teams who would have seen provinicial silverware as possibly attainable but probably not an all Ireland. I dont get peoples arguments for lumping all in together - its like the Joe Mac cup. Antrim and Kerry had realistic aims of silverware - put them in Leinster or an All Ireland group series every single year and what have they to play for? Retaining status and regression due to a lack of interest which is what losing brings?
I assume by your comments that the provincials should be scrapped or is it that Leinster is better than Munster? Either way you're completely missing the point and value of the provincial cships. They still mean an awful lot. Look at the reactions of arguably hurlings best managers over the last 30 years on both Saturday and Sunday..." Good points
daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1127 - 08/06/2022 11:39:28
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Replying To clooney: "What ever is said about Limerick has nothing to do with Clare you may come on now in a more conciliatory note but your earlier posts tell a different story.
Both Clare Players who were involved in Sundays match have up to now exemplary records ( some very nasty comments on social media} and were playing superb hurling, isolated incidents, it looks now that both could face a lengthy ban it wouldn't happen to other Counties .
The championship will be a lot poorer if that was to happen we have met Limerick now in League & 2 Championship matches 4 hours top class hurling 3 points separated the teams.
Without Dublin in the 70s the great Kerry football team would not be remembered without the great rivalry Dublin provided & likewise with Limerick & Clare.
Limerick are a great team try to be good winners not obvious so far" I and most Limerick followers have no problem winning close games, if fact they are all the sweeter and do make a team even greater if they win them. What the players did in the past should have little to do with their actions last Sunday and 'diggin' Duggan and 'hatchman' Hayes will have to answer for them. Limerick players have been vilified and abused themselves for the past few years online and I imagine as you say your lads will get the same treatment unfortunately, it's not right and fair but that's 2022 for you.
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Replying To updwell: "I and most Limerick followers have no problem winning close games, if fact they are all the sweeter and do make a team even greater if they win them. What the players did in the past should have little to do with their actions last Sunday and 'diggin' Duggan and 'hatchman' Hayes will have to answer for them. Limerick players have been vilified and abused themselves for the past few years online and I imagine as you say your lads will get the same treatment unfortunately, it's not right and fair but that's 2022 for you." Well here we go again using phrases like "diggin" & "hatchetmen" dosent say much about you only ignorant comments I honestly don't know why an amateur player who put their lives on hold for nothing only abuse like this.
I don't condone what they did but ONE incident in their careers & they get subjected to this rubbish.
Shame on those comment
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 887 - 08/06/2022 12:14:33
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Replying To tiobraid: "How did you manage to turn my comment into something that offended you? The best player I ever seen was a Leinster man and I was at as many Leinster cship games as Munster games in the 90's. Munster cship as a whole this year wasnt great by any stretch but there was some great games the other years the round robins were on and there was still 3 top class games this year. Why are Leinster people so transfixed about running down the Munster cship? Kk and Limerick have both cantered to all Ireland titles over the last 15 years - why do some people assume that removing two pieces of silverware/chsips will contribute to a better cship? Wexford, Dublin, Tipp and Clare at the start of the year are teams who would have seen provinicial silverware as possibly attainable but probably not an all Ireland. I dont get peoples arguments for lumping all in together - its like the Joe Mac cup. Antrim and Kerry had realistic aims of silverware - put them in Leinster or an All Ireland group series every single year and what have they to play for? Retaining status and regression due to a lack of interest which is what losing brings?
I assume by your comments that the provincials should be scrapped or is it that Leinster is better than Munster? Either way you're completely missing the point and value of the provincial cships. They still mean an awful lot. Look at the reactions of arguably hurlings best managers over the last 30 years on both Saturday and Sunday..." I didn't mention anything about the provincial championships being scrapped.
But since you mention it, it was 1 game and you would think the world stopped turning the way people are going on! But since you bring it up, it is an indisputable fact that the game as a whole would probably be better served without the provincial championships, unless you want the likes of Offaly, Laois, Kildare, Antrim etc to just forget about the game, because the current system won't help them progress.
But also, lets be real. The action only begins from here on. Its now **** or get off the pot time. No second chances. As my girlfriends family (also from Tipp btw) said at the weekend, "nobody remembers who wins Munster. Everybody remembers who wins the All-Ireland".
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Replying To updwell: "I and most Limerick followers have no problem winning close games, if fact they are all the sweeter and do make a team even greater if they win them. What the players did in the past should have little to do with their actions last Sunday and 'diggin' Duggan and 'hatchman' Hayes will have to answer for them. Limerick players have been vilified and abused themselves for the past few years online and I imagine as you say your lads will get the same treatment unfortunately, it's not right and fair but that's 2022 for you." Dirty play needs to be called out updwell.
I never get the "they all are amateurs" rubbish. So are the players on the receiving ends of these dirty belts which have absolutely no part in the game.
I know the red mist descends at times and most players have done things they would like to turn the clock back to. But only somebody who would defend OJ Simpson would defend some of what is defended in the GAA.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "I didn't mention anything about the provincial championships being scrapped.
But since you mention it, it was 1 game and you would think the world stopped turning the way people are going on! But since you bring it up, it is an indisputable fact that the game as a whole would probably be better served without the provincial championships, unless you want the likes of Offaly, Laois, Kildare, Antrim etc to just forget about the game, because the current system won't help them progress.
But also, lets be real. The action only begins from here on. Its now **** or get off the pot time. No second chances. As my girlfriends family (also from Tipp btw) said at the weekend, "nobody remembers who wins Munster. Everybody remembers who wins the All-Ireland"." The current system has unquestionably help those teams progress. People should relsih these games regardless if theyre a Munster final or are the few great weekends of All Ireland semi's we had a few years back. Theres a number of Wexford posters on here that critise the Munster cship whether the games are good or bad. Its very strange.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "In fairness tiobraid, your post was a good one (as is the above) but I nearly got the bucket out when I saw the "all that is good about Munster hurling" as well. "All that is good about hurling" would have seemed more apt to me too.
I doubt anybody will try to convince you that Leinster is better than Munster.....I can't speak for storeystash and the questions you ask but the reaction to Sunday's match on Twitter was hyperbolic in the extreme." I dont live or work in Munster currently yet all the talk in the office yesterday was about the Munster final - many by non hurling people which is great for the game. By saying that I mean any great hurling match regardless of who. Growing up I probably disliked Clare and Limerick more than anyone else but at my age now I can appreciate a good game.
Growing up I heard a lot about the Dublin-Meath rivarly and how "you wouldnt understand" and I didnt to be honest. The atmosphere is a massive part of it and a full Semple stadium like Sunday is hard beaten in my biased opinion. Theres just something special about it. Why take from it by running down the cship or suggesting it be scrapped, particualrly when any of the 5 could reach the Munster final next year.
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