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Brilliant first-half in the Munster final. Hopefully Clare can keep going at this pace.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1033 - 05/06/2022 16:56:25    2422475

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We are going to extra time. Epic stuff! Clare are the real deal.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1033 - 05/06/2022 17:36:03    2422481

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Replying To daveboy:  "What's wrong with giving players minimum 4 and 5 matches for all their hard work training . If it occurs where teams are at similar levels and take points off each other isn't that just how sport is and top 3 from each province is a very fair and sporting way to move forward allowing for Q finals semi finals and Finals. Its hardly farcical. What was farcical was one match after 8 months training and gone. There's been plenty of teams winning All Irelsnd through the back door. Doesn't diminish it one bit in my eyes."
Fair enough if you like it but I think the system is unfair. I'm all for 2nd chances and more games but 3 teams to qualify out of 5 is a bit much. It's my opinion. I'm not ssyi g it's right but in Munster with 5 teams surely only 2 should qualify?. Anyway it is what it is and both Clare and Limerick gave us a classic today.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3891 - 05/06/2022 17:51:02    2422493

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "When was it ever not lop-sided, Mick?

Let's take a random year: 1979 in football. Here are the stats on who won and by how many points. That was truly farcical. At least, they're trying to give teams more games; more meaningful games.

1979 stats:
Teams 33; Games played 39!

Clare 1-9 - 9-21 Kerr
Kerry 2-14 - 2-4 Cor
Kerry 5-14 - 0-7 Monagha
Kerry 3-13 - 1-8 Dubli

1979 was indeed the sad end of a truly magnificent Dublin team, and the furtherance of one of the greatest Kerry eras of all time.

The killing thing to me isn't that Kerry won all and sundry around them at leisure in 1979. What pi$$e$ me off is that you'd 33 counties only playing 39 games."
I just don't agree with a system where a team that loses more games gets into a semi whereas as a team that loses one fame only gets to a quarter and as a Wexford poster stated a team that loses one game only get into a preliminary quarter final. Also for me a qualifying team should surely be above 50% mark but in Munster 3 teams out of 5 qualify. The 3rd team qualify on 40%.Not good enough for me.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3891 - 05/06/2022 17:55:27    2422496

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Congrats Limerick and hard luck to Clare. Thanks to both teams for a cracking game. Good chance they will meet again in the all-Ireland final.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1033 - 05/06/2022 18:14:47    2422504

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Hard luck to Clare. Limerick are just so good they just grind out games on the few occasions teams get close to home. Clare still unbeaten in 70 mins of hurling so they should take a lot from today. Second half quality wasn't always the best but excitement - doesn't get much better. Top class entertainment. Doe site joking about it a few days ago - happy that there was no controversy either and people can actually discuss the hurling!
Declan Hannon for me will go down as one of the greatest ever captains - greatest in my lifetime anyway.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 05/06/2022 18:19:53    2422509

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Congrats Limerick.

Derek McGrath might get his trilogy yet.
Just not who he thought.

Two best teams in Ireland.

So proud of the Clare lads.

Wexford - Beware

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 05/06/2022 18:20:01    2422510

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I just don't agree with a system where a team that loses more games gets into a semi whereas as a team that loses one fame only gets to a quarter and as a Wexford poster stated a team that loses one game only get into a preliminary quarter final. Also for me a qualifying team should surely be above 50% mark but in Munster 3 teams out of 5 qualify. The 3rd team qualify on 40%.Not good enough for me."
Most people do agree with the system. The fans love it. I can see why Dublin feel it's not fair but there is no demand to change it. Maybe you have the 4th placed go into the PQF with the Joe McDonagh Cup.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 05/06/2022 18:30:01    2422513

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I just don't agree with a system where a team that loses more games gets into a semi whereas as a team that loses one fame only gets to a quarter and as a Wexford poster stated a team that loses one game only get into a preliminary quarter final. Also for me a qualifying team should surely be above 50% mark but in Munster 3 teams out of 5 qualify. The 3rd team qualify on 40%.Not good enough for me."
It's a league system so you can't set it up that there is a minimum threshold for qualification. With 5 teams there are 20 league points to play for so a team could get to the final with as little as 3 points in one group (if the top team gets 8 points and all others get 3 points) and not qualify for the final with 6 points in another group (if the top 3 teams get 6 points each).

In fact, you could have a scenario where all 5 teams get 4 points each so score difference would determine the positions.

That's just the nature of it, so with multiple groups from which teams qualify you can always have totally different performance records for those that qualify. It's the same for the soccer World Cup, Champions League etc.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 135 - 05/06/2022 19:10:31    2422540

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The system is ok. There was an article in one of the papers where 4 teams come out of Munster and the first 2 in Leinster. That's probably more realistic than having just 2 come out of Munster. All in all ,what a game today. The Munster Championship is Better than the All Ireland series.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 05/06/2022 19:15:32    2422542

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Hard luck to Clare. Limerick are just so good they just grind out games on the few occasions teams get close to home. Clare still unbeaten in 70 mins of hurling so they should take a lot from today. Second half quality wasn't always the best but excitement - doesn't get much better. Top class entertainment. Doe site joking about it a few days ago - happy that there was no controversy either and people can actually discuss the hurling!
Declan Hannon for me will go down as one of the greatest ever captains - greatest in my lifetime anyway."
Brilliant game. Not sure though about the lack of controversy though. Duggan should have walked twice for striking. It's also not great to see some of the Clare players in the referee's or lineman face aka soccer players.
Championship set up nice for a big finish. Hats off to lads like Taylor for Clare who was excellent all through

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 05/06/2022 19:26:23    2422547

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "It's a league system so you can't set it up that there is a minimum threshold for qualification. With 5 teams there are 20 league points to play for so a team could get to the final with as little as 3 points in one group (if the top team gets 8 points and all others get 3 points) and not qualify for the final with 6 points in another group (if the top 3 teams get 6 points each).

In fact, you could have a scenario where all 5 teams get 4 points each so score difference would determine the positions.

That's just the nature of it, so with multiple groups from which teams qualify you can always have totally different performance records for those that qualify. It's the same for the soccer World Cup, Champions League etc."
There is the problem the GAA is constantly copying other sports. The cards, u-17, u-20 advanced marks. I agree a team that looses more games then they win should not advance to a 1/4 final. Nor should a team loose out because of scoring differential. All you are doing is compelling a team to hammer the 1 or 2 weaker teams. The backdoor system was better if you loose twice you are out. Gives everyone a chance of an off day but the road to a semifinal is tougher.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 05/06/2022 19:30:59    2422549

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I just don't agree with a system where a team that loses more games gets into a semi whereas as a team that loses one fame only gets to a quarter and as a Wexford poster stated a team that loses one game only get into a preliminary quarter final. Also for me a qualifying team should surely be above 50% mark but in Munster 3 teams out of 5 qualify. The 3rd team qualify on 40%.Not good enough for me."
Mick, you'll end up with even more dead rubbers and another year of a round like the last round of the Munster Hurling Championship if you eliminate 3 teams.
No right and wrong answer and yes today was a mighty game, but don't let it gloss over what was otherwise a forgettable provincial championship in both provinces.
The real action only begins now that the second chances are all gone.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1334 - 05/06/2022 19:32:42    2422550

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Most people do agree with the system. The fans love it. I can see why Dublin feel it's not fair but there is no demand to change it. Maybe you have the 4th placed go into the PQF with the Joe McDonagh Cup."
First I've heard of Dublin fans feeling it is not fair. Win 3 of your 5 games and you are in. Fail to do so and you are out.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1334 - 05/06/2022 19:33:47    2422552

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "It's a league system so you can't set it up that there is a minimum threshold for qualification. With 5 teams there are 20 league points to play for so a team could get to the final with as little as 3 points in one group (if the top team gets 8 points and all others get 3 points) and not qualify for the final with 6 points in another group (if the top 3 teams get 6 points each).

In fact, you could have a scenario where all 5 teams get 4 points each so score difference would determine the positions.

That's just the nature of it, so with multiple groups from which teams qualify you can always have totally different performance records for those that qualify. It's the same for the soccer World Cup, Champions League etc."
"In fact, you could have a scenario where all 5 teams get 4 points each so score difference would determine the positions".

In the 2019 Leinster Championship the top 4 finished level with 5 points.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2740 - 05/06/2022 19:58:58    2422568

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I don't mean to blow my own trumpet, but my predictions this week were not bad.

Bob O'Keeffe - Kilkenny by 4
Mick Mackey - Draw (70 mins)
Joe McDonagh - Kerry by 2
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1699 - 03/06/2022 11:46:09

Who wins the Mackey in ET?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 4946 - 03/06/2022 13:17:35

All my predictions are from a betting point of view, where all the odds given are on 70 minutes play.
But I'd say Limerick might have the edge in extra time.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1699 - 03/06/2022 16:59:58

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2740 - 05/06/2022 20:37:51    2422583

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "A good, tough, Leinster final. The hurling might not have been classy, but no one can doubt the endeavor of either side.

Galway aren't gone, and true to Galway form could go out the next day and blow the opposition away. While, they hurled poorly yesterday, I do think that Henry has brought in a few new lads, and he'll do the same next year, and by his third year 4-5 more (the hurlers must be in Galway; all that underage success), and by then quite a lot of what started yesterday will be well retired. An outside manager just cannot come in to a county and in his first year discard men who have brought great honor to the county (especially in 2017, but also others years, too), but it's becoming obvious that a handful of those fine hurlers are nearing their end.

Kilkenny! Fair play to the players and Cody. Win, lose or draw they'll leave every last ounce of energy out on that pitch, and Cody will get that very last ounce out of them. 18 titles in 24 years is some going, by any man's standard. Congratulations to Kilkenny. They'll fight to the death in the semi-final too, so will be a bother to whomever they meet.

And Galway should also be capable of making a semi-final. Why should Galway fear either Cork or Antrim (fancy Antrim to take it…)? Irrespective of what happened yesterday, it'll show whether Henry is up to good manager material or not, if he has Galway going out the next day with all guns blazing. And why wouldn't he?"
Nobody should shake hands with Cody as he continually spits into his hands during games before rubbing them together. Dirty and disgusting. He's a sore loser and his attitude towards Shefflin is awful.

crafty (Galway) - Posts: 260 - 05/06/2022 20:41:49    2422588

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Mick, you'll end up with even more dead rubbers and another year of a round like the last round of the Munster Hurling Championship if you eliminate 3 teams.
No right and wrong answer and yes today was a mighty game, but don't let it gloss over what was otherwise a forgettable provincial championship in both provinces.
The real action only begins now that the second chances are all gone."
I think your doing the Munster Championship a disservice. This is the real stuff. Limerick v Waterford was an excellent game as was Clare v Limerick . The All Ireland series will be doing well to give us a contest and atmosphere like today's. There's no way Leinster should have 3 teams coming out the same as Munster. Id say a playoff with the 4th team in Munster and the 3rd team in Leinster would be fairer.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 05/06/2022 22:00:58    2422615

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Brilliant game. Not sure though about the lack of controversy though. Duggan should have walked twice for striking. It's also not great to see some of the Clare players in the referee's or lineman face aka soccer players.
Championship set up nice for a big finish. Hats off to lads like Taylor for Clare who was excellent all through"
I was going to let it go but since you had to have a go I witnessed today one of the most unsporting acts I ever saw at a hurling match when a can was thrown at Tony Kelly just as he took the sideline at the end of normal tome. Thankfully the Limerick fan missed but if you want to bring up soccer traits, that was one of the worst acts I have seen at a hurling match.

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2697 - 06/06/2022 07:04:20    2422617

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Replying To bloodyban:  "I think your doing the Munster Championship a disservice. This is the real stuff. Limerick v Waterford was an excellent game as was Clare v Limerick . The All Ireland series will be doing well to give us a contest and atmosphere like today's. There's no way Leinster should have 3 teams coming out the same as Munster. Id say a playoff with the 4th team in Munster and the 3rd team in Leinster would be fairer."
Along with the final they were the only good games in the entire Munster Round robin though. Alot of the other games were played at challenge match intensity.
Waterford were actually shocking. How do you think they deserved to be in any kind of playoff against 3rd place in Leinster after only getting 1 win and that against Tipp who looked even worse?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15565 - 06/06/2022 07:30:04    2422619

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