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So in the next few weeks the league competition will finish and the provincial/tiered competitions will begin. All I have heard about in the media to date is centered around if Meath-Cork-Down might be relegated and have to participate in the 2nd tier competition. I've paid close attention to the league coverage on rte in the lead up to this sumner and I don't like to be negative but the quality of coverage and the quality of analysis on team outside the elite few is truly shocking. Essentially the pundits have no knowledge on the teams from division 3 and 4. I would question their knowledge on a number of teams in division 2. I don't believe that they do any homework for these programmes. For this reason i think there should be a separate programme dedicated to the second tier competition with pundits who are familiar with these teams at this level. I wouldn't mind including the lower tiered hurling competitions in this programme. I wonder what other people think? wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1913 - 14/03/2022 14:38:38 2405395 Link 1 |
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I'd echo this. Last night Joanne started asking what they thought would happen in Division 3 and 4 and I was gearing myself up for an interesting discussion on promotion and relegation thoughts, but the best they could manage was an homage to Antrim, no discussion on who might get relegated or promoted in Division 3 and ignored Division 4 completely. Barely 45 seconds spent on both divisions. This show is supposed to be dedicated to the Allianz leagues, it is not having to share time with other competitions and yet two of the four divisions get ritually ignored. I'd say if Joanne had asked Cooper what he thinks about Longford's prospects given their recent form, he'd probably say that they won't fare too well in the Connacht Championship later in the year!!! Do better RTE. There is plenty of time allocated, just start using it better and fairer.
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 473 - 14/03/2022 15:09:41 2405405 Link 0 |
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Agreed. And they seem to have a bit of a set on Galway football for a while now. Zero coverage for us yet again. RTE played all the other Div 2 matches highlights first last night and not one second of Galway v Clare. Ros v Derry, Offaly v Down and Meath v Cork were all shown. Not the first time this has happened Galway either. TV (ie RTE) Licence fees…hmmm.
togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 905 - 14/03/2022 15:11:54 2405407 Link 0 |
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Would there be much interest among the viewership? It's not all the medias fault, or rtés fault, I just don't think there's enough interest among the general gaa population about what happens in the lower divisions, even among those whose counties are involved. As a galway man I'm reluctant to admit, (but it's true) that over the last 20 years I was far more fascinated by the kerry/tyrone and Dublin /mayo rivalry than anything my own county was doing in that time (which wasn't a huge amount). Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1717 - 14/03/2022 15:33:04 2405412 Link 0 |
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There isn't. A lot of Tipp fans left when the footballers started playing. Sligo fans were outnumbered by Cavan fans at their own home game. It's not a Div 3/4 problem either. Only 826 fans turned up to watch Clare and Offaly in Div 2.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 14/03/2022 16:59:30 2405440 Link 0 |
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Are viewers not a bit tired with seeing the same teams? Unlike in the hurling, could you say that a game between Mayo and Donegal is any better quality than a game between Galway and Clare, i don't think so. I would agree with you if the game between certain teams was superior in quality but for example yesterday's game between Donegal and Monaghan was a terrible game. It was bad enough the first time without having to show it again. If they planned to discuss Antrim in Division 3 then be prepared and discuss their performances instead of spending most of the time discussing the casement park debacle. It is amateur stuff at this stage from a public service broadcaster. Maybe it is time to change the pundits, this might inject some new ideas and opinions. wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1913 - 14/03/2022 17:04:20 2405443 Link 0 |
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Biggest problem is that Counties will not name teams in time for the Media to write about.County Boards are allowing Managers to get away with it, No respect for Players and Supporters.Media gave up chasing for information years ago. gerry1414 (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 14/03/2022 18:03:46 2405451 Link 0 |
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I presume every County team is recording their matches for video analysis. I would have loved to see at least the two Leitrim goals last night. They were supposed to be superb finishes. The quality of football in division one this week was putrid and had no interest in seeing any of the matches again. If Leitrim were on a highlights programme I would definitely tune in. I think this would be true to a lot of gaels from the 16 counties in division 3 and 4. Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 133 - 14/03/2022 18:21:27 2405453 Link 1 |
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The big games get the live coverage, no issue there. What we are talking about here is fair coverage in the highlights show on a Sunday night. Not a big ask, especially given that there is no way to see these games online (unlike LGFA where games are all available to view online). If the public can't stay tuned to watch a reasonably short roundup of the divisions that goes beyond showing the tables, then why are we even talking about having a Tailteann Cup for example? RTE used to do this, now they don't. Most genuine GAA supporters in smaller or 2nd tier counties will 100% be interested in seeing highlights from their own county that weekend. The show is supposed to be dedicated to the Allianz leagues. Having live coverage for big teams and then repeating that focus again in the highlights show to the detriment of others is a cod.
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 473 - 14/03/2022 18:31:33 2405454 Link 1 |
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Absolutely agree, the coverage outside of Div 1 has been disgraceful. Take Div 2 as an example. You have four sleeping giants in Galway, Meath, Cork and Down. You also have two All Ireland winning teams in living memeory in Offaly and Derry. The division is notoriously tight and the relegation result is huge considering those two teams will head for championship tier 2 (No more than the Div 3 promotion battle is important). Aside from O'Rourke's personal knowledge of Meath, the pundits have a pathetic knowledge of the Div 2 teams, and even less of Div 3 and 4. There is no excuse for professional pundits not to be able to infrom themselves on the teams outside of Div 1. There are only 32-33 football counties! Could they not even get up to speed on half of them? It's shocking that they only seem to have in depth knowledge of 6 teams. I say 6 because I always feel that they usually haven't a much of a clue about the two new teams newly promoted from Div 2, take Cavan and Roscommon in recent years. Just on the recent Galway coverage in Division 2, I thought Galway got the only Div 2 coverage in the first few games but have now been sidelined. I don't think Roscommon were featured until this weekend. I think a seperate programme is needed and more pundits from the so called smaller counties. There should be a huge audience for it. You have big football interest in counties such as Galway, Meath, Cavan, Wicklow combined with the rest. MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 793 - 15/03/2022 09:44:28 2405483 Link 0 |
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But please tell us what's new here; it's been like this since the year dot and it's not going to change for the better anytime soon in fact my gut feeling tells me when the fallout from the motions passed at the special congress kick in then visual progress will be seen for some and that's to be welcomed but the weakest of the weak counties will regress further along with the very small dual counties. I too have paid very close attention to what is happening to our games but even more so to what is not happening, clearly the weaker counties are welcome to stay in the group of 32 provided they be seen and not heard sort of thing. The printing press report very little on the sporting heroics of the weaker counties simply because they believe it won't sell broadsheets or tabloid papers, by the same token we won't see them on the screens of our national broadcasters because they believe they won't bring in viewers in big numbers some say even in small numbers, never the less you are correct in saying. - the quality of coverage and the quality of analysis on teams outside the elite few is truly shocking. The buzz words out there that can't be ignored are, Equality, Inclusiveness and political correctness, the women members of the Gaelic Athletic Association are clearly winning their quest for recognition, equality, and inclusiveness within the association and mixing it with the men at their game (s), they can now be seen refereeing men's games club and county, being umpires, presenting men's intercounty games on tv and radio along with being pundits on and off the field, we can all see women's games televised live, a lot done, more to do, like up grading facilities where applicable like wash rooms, toilets showers etc to meet requirements, that's real progress. Separately, can I ask why us men from div 4 and a bit further up the pecking order have / are been ignored, and in so doing fail to be nominated as a pundit on radio or tv, fixed time for presenters and pundits can be looked at, or why can't a div. 4 senior football, hurling, or senior club game get the thumbs up to be televised or broadcast on national radio when applicable similar to that of the women in it's entirety as clubs further up the pecking order get, Our youngsters are not buying into our games, why? - Because they have nothing to aspire to. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 15/03/2022 10:38:31 2405494 Link 0 |
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I'm not sure there is much interest. But this is consistent with most sports across the world. You learn allot from looking at the content shared by media who have to survive without the support of a mandatory license inflicted on their viewership. They mostly focus on the elite cause that's what the listeners/readers/watchers want. Poor figures are not going to pay wages. If there was a good market for division 2/3/4 - Sky Sports would have taken care of it by now. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 15/03/2022 10:49:59 2405500 Link 0 |
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I know the countries in div 3-4 especially are frustrated but what can RTE do? The Sunday game is 1 hour 30mins and there are 16 games over the weekend. RTE cant show them all - you would need 5-6 hours to get though them. They did the Div 2 games first on Sunday. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 15/03/2022 10:55:34 2405502 Link 0 |
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If you think it is bad now, wait until you see the level of coverage for their highly anticipated lower tier cast those weak counties aside Teacup competition. Let's face it, rte coverage of GAA has been declining in quality instead of improving for many years now, that includes direction of the game action, presenters, pundits and commentators. Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 15/03/2022 11:03:15 2405505 Link 1 |
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Like the 10 seconds per game the 1st and 2nd round Qualifier games used to get.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1433 - 15/03/2022 11:24:00 2405510 Link 0 |
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At least lads stopped showing up in studio in three-piece suits with matching pocket squares, looking like they had snuck away from their own wedding - That's progress of a kind. Noëlle Healy has been a solid addition to the panel in recent times, so its not all bad. The proposal above of having a show on Mondays to include other divisions is not a bad call.
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 473 - 15/03/2022 11:55:24 2405519 Link 2 |
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If RTE are going to ignore most div 3 and 4 counties, and some div 2 also, then at least play a 10-15 min reel of the scores of the week from wherever there are cameras or decent submitted camerawork. It'd be great for those players, mentors and supporters to be able to see those two Leitrim goals on the tv, for example. If we're all paying exorbitant license fees to RTE and continually pumping taxpayer money into TG4, then they should act like a public service broadcaster and serve more of the public than just those from a few top tier GAA counties. Media coverage is bad enough for a larger population County like Galway, it's truly shocking for smaller pop. Counties. We can never cover all games of course but per someone else's point, kids in Leitrim, Longford or wherever need something to aspire to in GAA - they need to see their teams from time to time too.
togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 905 - 15/03/2022 12:32:15 2405525 Link 0 |
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I know what your saying and obviously the top tier will get the most attention. But a small bit more recognition from a public service provider wouldn't go astray, keeping in mind that most of the division 1 games will have been shown live in one way or other. Aside from the coverage, is it too much to ask from professional pundits to have be clued into teams outside the top six or Mayo, Dublin, Tyrone, Kerry, Donegal and Monaghan. There seems to be really poor knowedge of teams outside that six with generic soundbites given in the analysis of Div 2, 3 and 4 teams. Gooch actually looked like someone who was told what to say on the Roscommon Derry game a few minutes in advance. And I don't want to single out Gooch because Pat Spillane et al are just as bad. Eamonn Fitzmaurice actually has a far better insight into smaller teams probably because he has been involved in managment. Oisín McConville to his credit also seems to be someone who watches matches outside of the main division. The insights on the Irish Examiner GAA podcast and some of the Off the Ball pundits like Anthony Moyles are far better. The only pundit from the lower two divisions I can think of is Eamonn O'Hara on the radio and he's usually used as a co-commenator.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 793 - 15/03/2022 12:35:46 2405526 Link 0 |
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In fairness I bet the loophole any broadcaster would use is that coverage of these div 3 and 4 games or lower tier hurling competitions or the new football Teacup are not covered in broadcast agreements or licences. So it therefore up to the GAA in the next round of broadcasting licences to be sorted out to include these provisions or else they are in breach of their contract. Or perhaps the GAA could stump up a reasonable broadcasting service of their own and make some money off that. County boards managed a fairly decent video service during the illness of unspecified origin lockdown, why can't it be done at national level. Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 15/03/2022 13:20:14 2405542 Link 0 |
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With the ability to record the live games, with online player services, etc. surely there doesn't need to be so much of the live games replayed that evening. If someone really wants to see them, the facility is there so long as they're somewhat tech savvy. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 15/03/2022 13:27:36 2405547 Link 4 |