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Replying To Gleebo:  "In fairness to McStay and McHale, they got Ros promoted to Division One, won a Connacht SFC and got them to the Super 8's, plus nearly beat us in the drawn quarter final in 2017. That's near enough the summit of the abilities of their squad at the time, IMO.

I would hope that if they did get it that MacHale would keep his head down, no more media appearances or guest columns on the morning of big championship matches, please."
The Roscommon team McStay took over was promoted to Division 1 under John Evans. We had reached 7 U21 Connacht finals in a row winning 4 that really should have been 6 wins as we left two of those titles behind us so winning 1 senior Connacht title in three years under McStay was the minimal target achieved. The lack of consistency under him was seen in the two games Mayo in 2017 and we shipped some almighty scores because of focus more on front football than focusing much on the defence.

MacHale isn't going to change expect all of that again if he's part of Mayos management next year.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3204 - 30/07/2022 14:00:11    2435405

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Replying To The_analyser:  "The Roscommon team McStay took over was promoted to Division 1 under John Evans. We had reached 7 U21 Connacht finals in a row winning 4 that really should have been 6 wins as we left two of those titles behind us so winning 1 senior Connacht title in three years under McStay was the minimal target achieved. The lack of consistency under him was seen in the two games Mayo in 2017 and we shipped some almighty scores because of focus more on front football than focusing much on the defence.

MacHale isn't going to change expect all of that again if he's part of Mayos management next year."
Was McHale doing most of the coaching and McStay doing the managing and some coaching during their Roscommon days?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6766 - 30/07/2022 15:21:14    2435429

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Was McHale doing most of the coaching and McStay doing the managing and some coaching during their Roscommon days?"
Coaching was mainly done by MacHale.. McStay has great trust him and labelled him as one of the best coaches in Ireland. On strength and conditioning side he appointed a young lad that was only learning the ropes at the time and we never got up to level of the top 6 in S&C under him.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3204 - 30/07/2022 16:46:27    2435456

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Replying To The_analyser:  "The Roscommon team McStay took over was promoted to Division 1 under John Evans. We had reached 7 U21 Connacht finals in a row winning 4 that really should have been 6 wins as we left two of those titles behind us so winning 1 senior Connacht title in three years under McStay was the minimal target achieved. The lack of consistency under him was seen in the two games Mayo in 2017 and we shipped some almighty scores because of focus more on front football than focusing much on the defence.

MacHale isn't going to change expect all of that again if he's part of Mayos management next year."
But yet with all this unbelievable talent embedded in the senior side, his successor has done scarcely better than McStay did. One Connacht SFC title in three years, up to Division One, lost the NFL Division Two final to Galway, missed a chance at a quarter-final berth this year. He might also be for the chopping block soon enough…

I would be careful about investing too much hope in U21/U20 success. Mayo themselves have won a couple of All-Irelands in that grade in the past 15 years or so, but didn't quite make it over the line at senior level. McStay himself won an U21 All-Ireland as a player, fell short in senior finals and semi-finals. It's not always a great indicator IMO.

Anyway, the McStay/Rochford/Buckley/McHale ticket is by far the strongest one declared so far, IMO.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2141 - 31/07/2022 07:50:30    2435544

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Was McHale doing most of the coaching and McStay doing the managing and some coaching during their Roscommon days?"
Yes I believe so. I think roscommon made a huge mistake in getting rid of fergal o donnell to be honest. He had great success in the past but maybe he's not pc enough for some people and isn't a yes man either and county boards don't like that. They basically had a choice between mcstay and o donnell and they went for mcstay and I'm afraid to say it backfired badly.

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 189 - 31/07/2022 08:49:23    2435548

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I have to stay in very underwhelmed by the options.
Does anyone know Declan Shaws backroom team? The McStay ticket is a celebrity show with too many chefs. Looks good on paper but could be a disaster.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11002 - 31/07/2022 10:43:31    2435557

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Replying To howdareu:  "Yes I believe so. I think roscommon made a huge mistake in getting rid of fergal o donnell to be honest. He had great success in the past but maybe he's not pc enough for some people and isn't a yes man either and county boards don't like that. They basically had a choice between mcstay and o donnell and they went for mcstay and I'm afraid to say it backfired badly."
Fergal O'Donnell's estrangement from the County Board is a huge loss to Roscommon football. He's great at working with underage players and of course delivered an All Ireland Minor title out of nowhere for us in 2006. Best of luck to Kevin McStay if he gets the Mayo job. He did deliver the 2017 Connacht title for Roscommon but it ran out of road shortly thereafter. Seems a decent guy but I wouldn't be sure that he's the man for Mayo at this time.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1773 - 31/07/2022 11:58:57    2435575

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Replying To Gleebo:  "But yet with all this unbelievable talent embedded in the senior side, his successor has done scarcely better than McStay did. One Connacht SFC title in three years, up to Division One, lost the NFL Division Two final to Galway, missed a chance at a quarter-final berth this year. He might also be for the chopping block soon enough…

I would be careful about investing too much hope in U21/U20 success. Mayo themselves have won a couple of All-Irelands in that grade in the past 15 years or so, but didn't quite make it over the line at senior level. McStay himself won an U21 All-Ireland as a player, fell short in senior finals and semi-finals. It's not always a great indicator IMO.

Anyway, the McStay/Rochford/Buckley/McHale ticket is by far the strongest one declared so far, IMO."
Won the Div 2 final to Galway don't be taking away the one highlight we had this year.

Anthony Cunnigham's best year in the championship with us was his first year when we won our hardest won Connacht title since 2001 (beating both Mayo and Galway) covid arrived since then and things have become stale. We currently left in the dark as to whether or not he'll be manager again next year. He'd be already gone if manager of Galway,Mayo with his championship results the last two years.

James Horan is the manager that turned things around for you and i don't believe it would have been possible without getting the very best out of and building his senior team around the successful Mayo U21 teams 2016 to 2019. Term two he's built a 2nd team with loads of the 2016 U21 AI winners and U20 runners up.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3204 - 31/07/2022 19:10:19    2435641

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I have to stay in very underwhelmed by the options.
Does anyone know Declan Shaws backroom team? The McStay ticket is a celebrity show with too many chefs. Looks good on paper but could be a disaster."
Shaw is going with Richie Feeney from Castlebar Mitchels, Rowland from Islandeady, Paddy Christie from Dublin and Dessie Sloyan from Sligo.

He was on the blog stressing his knowledge of the club scene and a desire to be a bit more transparent with supporters. Would see him as the outside horse in the race, given a lack of county experience and a fairly harrowing All-Ireland club defeat with Mitchels in 2016.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2141 - 04/08/2022 11:20:16    2436152

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Shaw is going with Richie Feeney from Castlebar Mitchels, Rowland from Islandeady, Paddy Christie from Dublin and Dessie Sloyan from Sligo.

He was on the blog stressing his knowledge of the club scene and a desire to be a bit more transparent with supporters. Would see him as the outside horse in the race, given a lack of county experience and a fairly harrowing All-Ireland club defeat with Mitchels in 2016."
The way he and his Castlebar management gave Diarmuid Connolly the freedom of Croke Park was fairly striking.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2902 - 04/08/2022 11:37:40    2436158

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "The way he and his Castlebar management gave Diarmuid Connolly the freedom of Croke Park was fairly striking."
Diarmuid Connolly was Vincents game in 2014. Ballyboden was the later final. Although they Declan's might have been manageing both years?

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 443 - 04/08/2022 11:57:15    2436171

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Diarmuid Connolly was Vincents game in 2014. Ballyboden was the later final. Although they Declan's might have been manageing both years?"
Pat Holmes was manager in 2014.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2141 - 04/08/2022 13:19:07    2436191

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Any white smoke on this

How long does it take to do 4 interviews?

It's not a general election ffs

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 987 - 09/08/2022 09:51:19    2436747

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "Any white smoke on this

How long does it take to do 4 interviews?

It's not a general election ffs"
Going by the Mayo News, it seems that the appointment process is still in train. One would hope that they complete the process in the next few weeks, giving the new management team time to do a bit of scouting during the club championships.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2141 - 09/08/2022 13:10:57    2436803

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Going by the Mayo News, it seems that the appointment process is still in train. One would hope that they complete the process in the next few weeks, giving the new management team time to do a bit of scouting during the club championships."
What chance that the county board doesn't see a specific team as a great option but call back some who impressed from different candidate teams and ask them if they could form a management team?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6766 - 09/08/2022 20:59:49    2436885

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "What chance that the county board doesn't see a specific team as a great option but call back some who impressed from different candidate teams and ask them if they could form a management team?"
Nothing would surprise me at this point.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2141 - 10/08/2022 09:39:11    2436896

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