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Oisin Mullen might as well have gone to Australia, Horan playing him at cornerback as far away as possible from the action. Put the lad out the field he is a natural footballer and not a man marker, let the other teams try and mark him as he sweeps forward. Put players in their best positions and fine corner backs, not Mullen and Keegan.
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Very decent match in what were horrible conditions for football. Both teams missing a few key men and tbh it looked as though both management teams were holding something in reserve.
Kerry much the better team in the first half, we looked ponderous in attack and made too many handling errors, probably cost us three points. Brosnan and Clifford (of course) were the key men for the Kingdom, profiting from fast and direct ball into them. Nicely worked goal from Brosnan, didn't help that we spaffed the two goal chances that came our way.
Second half better from a Mayo perspective, thought our midfield got on top, although again, we were a bit too reluctant to take shots from scorable positions. Some fairly tigerish defensive work from Kerry too, Jack has improved their work rate and defensive structure a lot.
Was very pleased with Fergal Boland, whose three points is a very good night's work for a man lacking football of late. O' Donoghue spot on from placed balls too.
On the minus side, we still look a bit toothless when confronted with a mass defence, as Kerry had towards the end of the game. Horan seems to have been mixing it up with a long and short game this year, but we reverted to type a bit last night with the running game.
Would have taken a draw but Kerry just about deserved to edge it IMO. I think they will be very close to winning Sam now that O'Connor seems to have fixed their recent tendency to give up soft turnovers and preventable goals.
Tyrone away next for Mayo, followed by Kildare in Carrick-on-Shannon, both tough fixtures in the run-in.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/03/2022 10:30:09
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Replying To jacktheboy: "Oisin Mullen might as well have gone to Australia, Horan playing him at cornerback as far away as possible from the action. Put the lad out the field he is a natural footballer and not a man marker, let the other teams try and mark him as he sweeps forward. Put players in their best positions and fine corner backs, not Mullen and Keegan." Yeah, I don't think the experiment of having him in the full-back line has been a great success, certainly wasn't last night. Problem is that Mayo are fairly strong in the middle sector of the pitch but vulnerable in the full back line, partly due to the amount of space that Horanball gives the opposition to attack with quick ball near our goal.
We haven't really had an out-and-out full-back since Kevin Cahill retired, IMO.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/03/2022 10:58:54
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That was a cracking game
David Clifford was the difference
The way he took those scores in terrible conditions
The guy is pure class
rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 13/03/2022 11:36:14
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Replying To jacktheboy: "Oisin Mullen might as well have gone to Australia, Horan playing him at cornerback as far away as possible from the action. Put the lad out the field he is a natural footballer and not a man marker, let the other teams try and mark him as he sweeps forward. Put players in their best positions and fine corner backs, not Mullen and Keegan." Players should play where they are most needed for the team. We kept Kerry to 13 scores so defensively I'm sure Horan was happy enough. Just missing that extra bit of quality or composure up front which cost us in the end.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 13/03/2022 11:44:25
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Hard luck last night lads, we just about snook it but I would gladly have taken the draw when I heard O'Shea and Geaney were out.
Not a great night for a game but the pitch held up really well.
I wouldn't be too excited about the win and ye shouldn't be too disappointed with the loss as that game could easily have been a 2/3 point win for ye had ye taken 1 of the goal chances ye worked.
There is a lot of ball to be played yet and we could still meet in the league final if so hopefully we'll get a dry day to see what both teams can really do.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/03/2022 11:52:41
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Replying To jacktheboy: "Oisin Mullen might as well have gone to Australia, Horan playing him at cornerback as far away as possible from the action. Put the lad out the field he is a natural footballer and not a man marker, let the other teams try and mark him as he sweeps forward. Put players in their best positions and fine corner backs, not Mullen and Keegan." He's not the worst man marker but we're missing a lot by not having him attacking from the half back line.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 13/03/2022 11:58:25
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Replying To Gleebo: "Very decent match in what were horrible conditions for football. Both teams missing a few key men and tbh it looked as though both management teams were holding something in reserve.
Kerry much the better team in the first half, we looked ponderous in attack and made too many handling errors, probably cost us three points. Brosnan and Clifford (of course) were the key men for the Kingdom, profiting from fast and direct ball into them. Nicely worked goal from Brosnan, didn't help that we spaffed the two goal chances that came our way.
Second half better from a Mayo perspective, thought our midfield got on top, although again, we were a bit too reluctant to take shots from scorable positions. Some fairly tigerish defensive work from Kerry too, Jack has improved their work rate and defensive structure a lot.
Was very pleased with Fergal Boland, whose three points is a very good night's work for a man lacking football of late. O' Donoghue spot on from placed balls too.
On the minus side, we still look a bit toothless when confronted with a mass defence, as Kerry had towards the end of the game. Horan seems to have been mixing it up with a long and short game this year, but we reverted to type a bit last night with the running game.
Would have taken a draw but Kerry just about deserved to edge it IMO. I think they will be very close to winning Sam now that O'Connor seems to have fixed their recent tendency to give up soft turnovers and preventable goals.
Tyrone away next for Mayo, followed by Kildare in Carrick-on-Shannon, both tough fixtures in the run-in." What Mayo are holding in reserve is any hint of a settled team. This league campaign has been a good one for giving a lot of players game time but, with only 2 rounds left, we've no clue what sort of forward 6 will be taking the field v Galway. There are a lot of options and still the potential returns of Cillian, Jason, maybe Mark Moran etc, but some sort of chemistry and understanding will be needed to increase the scoring returns, as well as lowering the focus on RO'D who's been fantastic despite the attention he's getting. Fergal Boland deserves to start again the next day and DO'C should be reinstated to center forward. Orme has done some good things, but not sure you could say he's fully found his feet. After that it's head-scratching time. The question is, will we still be in the same position ahead of the April showdown with Galway?
If they're all fit and ready the team I'd like to see is Hennelly, Harrison, McBrien, O'Hora, Keegan, Mullin, Durcan, Ruane, Flynn, Hession, DO'C, Boland, Cillian, Jason, RO'D and with Aidan, Eoghan McLaughlin, Kevin McLoughlin, Orme, Carney, Coen, Brickenden, Plunkett, Moran, Loftus and McDonagh ready on the sideline. I suspect Cillian won't make Galway, so would pick Boland in the corner and probably Loftus at 12. I wouldn't mind seeing Plunkett tried as a 10 or 12 in the two league games left. He showed again v Kerry that he can find good positions, as he'd done v Armagh, difference being in the game last night the passes never came.
It's great to have raw materials, but we'd need to be seeing them shaped now.
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 13/03/2022 12:02:00
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Replying To Gleebo: "Very decent match in what were horrible conditions for football. Both teams missing a few key men and tbh it looked as though both management teams were holding something in reserve.
Kerry much the better team in the first half, we looked ponderous in attack and made too many handling errors, probably cost us three points. Brosnan and Clifford (of course) were the key men for the Kingdom, profiting from fast and direct ball into them. Nicely worked goal from Brosnan, didn't help that we spaffed the two goal chances that came our way.
Second half better from a Mayo perspective, thought our midfield got on top, although again, we were a bit too reluctant to take shots from scorable positions. Some fairly tigerish defensive work from Kerry too, Jack has improved their work rate and defensive structure a lot.
Was very pleased with Fergal Boland, whose three points is a very good night's work for a man lacking football of late. O' Donoghue spot on from placed balls too.
On the minus side, we still look a bit toothless when confronted with a mass defence, as Kerry had towards the end of the game. Horan seems to have been mixing it up with a long and short game this year, but we reverted to type a bit last night with the running game.
Would have taken a draw but Kerry just about deserved to edge it IMO. I think they will be very close to winning Sam now that O'Connor seems to have fixed their recent tendency to give up soft turnovers and preventable goals.
Tyrone away next for Mayo, followed by Kildare in Carrick-on-Shannon, both tough fixtures in the run-in." Agree with a lot of that. Mullin is not a man marker and is wasted in the position and game Horan is getting him to play. Kerry deserved the win but I wouldn't be overly worried. Paddy Tally has Kerry very defensive at times but if it wins them an all Ireland they won't care. Clifford is a joy to watch.
Mayo bar Ryan O D we're very short up front. Reluctant to shoot but that in part was down to Kerry's defending.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11231 - 13/03/2022 13:02:46
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Replying To Pericles: "What Mayo are holding in reserve is any hint of a settled team. This league campaign has been a good one for giving a lot of players game time but, with only 2 rounds left, we've no clue what sort of forward 6 will be taking the field v Galway. There are a lot of options and still the potential returns of Cillian, Jason, maybe Mark Moran etc, but some sort of chemistry and understanding will be needed to increase the scoring returns, as well as lowering the focus on RO'D who's been fantastic despite the attention he's getting. Fergal Boland deserves to start again the next day and DO'C should be reinstated to center forward. Orme has done some good things, but not sure you could say he's fully found his feet. After that it's head-scratching time. The question is, will we still be in the same position ahead of the April showdown with Galway?
If they're all fit and ready the team I'd like to see is Hennelly, Harrison, McBrien, O'Hora, Keegan, Mullin, Durcan, Ruane, Flynn, Hession, DO'C, Boland, Cillian, Jason, RO'D and with Aidan, Eoghan McLaughlin, Kevin McLoughlin, Orme, Carney, Coen, Brickenden, Plunkett, Moran, Loftus and McDonagh ready on the sideline. I suspect Cillian won't make Galway, so would pick Boland in the corner and probably Loftus at 12. I wouldn't mind seeing Plunkett tried as a 10 or 12 in the two league games left. He showed again v Kerry that he can find good positions, as he'd done v Armagh, difference being in the game last night the passes never came.
It's great to have raw materials, but we'd need to be seeing them shaped now." Yeah, Horan has done quite a bit of chopping and changing of personnel in this campaign. A lot of it has been beyond his control really, as we had several injuries to established starters earlier on in the season. The fact that Harrison and Doherty have come back and then gotten injured again hasn't been helpful, while we all would have hoped that Cillian would have returned to fitness by now. He looks doubtful for the start of the championship at this rate.
In the circumstances, I think the NFL campaign has been reasonably successful. I would agree with giving Boland a run til the end of the league at least, his performance was very good for a man who's gotten very few minutes of late.
I also agree that there are several places up for grabs, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. The big criticism of Mayo until very recently was that there weren't any players breaking into the senior squad, now there's genuine competition for places throughout the field. And some of the more experienced players (Aido, Kev Mac in particular) have made big contributions from the bench.
So your guess is as good as mine as to what XV takes to the field at the end of next month (even the venue seems to be up in the air!). I am a bit surprised by some of your selections though- would you throw McBrien in for his debut in the white heat of a championship match against Galway? And will Harrison in particular be ready having missed over two years of football at this point? Enda Hession in the half forwards?
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/03/2022 15:51:56
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Replying To yew_tree: "Agree with a lot of that. Mullin is not a man marker and is wasted in the position and game Horan is getting him to play. Kerry deserved the win but I wouldn't be overly worried. Paddy Tally has Kerry very defensive at times but if it wins them an all Ireland they won't care. Clifford is a joy to watch.
Mayo bar Ryan O D we're very short up front. Reluctant to shoot but that in part was down to Kerry's defending." On the shooting side of things, we need to get a bit more from our half-forward line, who put a big shift in but don't put much on the scoreboard. DOC's return to form this year has been welcome, though.
Goalscoring has also been a bit of an issue, should have nailed on two last night, and we have only scored them against the Dubs and Monaghan, both of whom are battling relegation now. If we're missing Cillian for Galway, we might have to end up scoring a lot of points to win.
A few breakout forwards from early in Horan's reign seem to have been discarded completely, the likes of McDonagh, Carr, Moran.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 13/03/2022 15:59:18
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Replying To Gleebo: "Yeah, Horan has done quite a bit of chopping and changing of personnel in this campaign. A lot of it has been beyond his control really, as we had several injuries to established starters earlier on in the season. The fact that Harrison and Doherty have come back and then gotten injured again hasn't been helpful, while we all would have hoped that Cillian would have returned to fitness by now. He looks doubtful for the start of the championship at this rate.
In the circumstances, I think the NFL campaign has been reasonably successful. I would agree with giving Boland a run til the end of the league at least, his performance was very good for a man who's gotten very few minutes of late.
I also agree that there are several places up for grabs, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. The big criticism of Mayo until very recently was that there weren't any players breaking into the senior squad, now there's genuine competition for places throughout the field. And some of the more experienced players (Aido, Kev Mac in particular) have made big contributions from the bench.
So your guess is as good as mine as to what XV takes to the field at the end of next month (even the venue seems to be up in the air!). I am a bit surprised by some of your selections though- would you throw McBrien in for his debut in the white heat of a championship match against Galway? And will Harrison in particular be ready having missed over two years of football at this point? Enda Hession in the half forwards?" I'm not seeing the experimentation and the options it has brought as a negative up to this Gleebo, I just think that particularly in attack players need to develop an understanding which only comes with game time in each other's company. There's no doubting that defensively every Mayo player knows his job from 15 back, but a lot of the forward play isn't very combined or coherent and relies on individuals, and only the likes of RO'D seems to be able to make an impression (Boland yesterday apart) when left more or less on his own. Conroy could do the same, but Tommy's gone and, whatever has been unearthed during this league campaign, a second Tommy isn't it.
With McBrien, I'm hoping that Boyler's judgement of his potential is well-founded (and who'd disagree with Boyler!). I'd just like to see our FB line manned by lads who are natural to that type of job. I'm hoping McBrien is given the two games left in the league, as I wouldn't like him parachuted in v Galway if he hasn't had a chance to show he's ready. I think Harrison does need more game time, but he showed in the appearances so far that if fully fit he'll be a huge asset. Enda Hession I've suggested as a half-forward to do more of the link work normally expected of DO'C. He's a very direct pacey runner and his presence would enable Diarmuid to stay forward more and combine with the inside line.
All are my opinions and we'd still have plenty of back-up on the bench, which I agree has improved hugely during this league.
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 13/03/2022 16:43:28
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Replying To Pericles: "I'm not seeing the experimentation and the options it has brought as a negative up to this Gleebo, I just think that particularly in attack players need to develop an understanding which only comes with game time in each other's company. There's no doubting that defensively every Mayo player knows his job from 15 back, but a lot of the forward play isn't very combined or coherent and relies on individuals, and only the likes of RO'D seems to be able to make an impression (Boland yesterday apart) when left more or less on his own. Conroy could do the same, but Tommy's gone and, whatever has been unearthed during this league campaign, a second Tommy isn't it.
With McBrien, I'm hoping that Boyler's judgement of his potential is well-founded (and who'd disagree with Boyler!). I'd just like to see our FB line manned by lads who are natural to that type of job. I'm hoping McBrien is given the two games left in the league, as I wouldn't like him parachuted in v Galway if he hasn't had a chance to show he's ready. I think Harrison does need more game time, but he showed in the appearances so far that if fully fit he'll be a huge asset. Enda Hession I've suggested as a half-forward to do more of the link work normally expected of DO'C. He's a very direct pacey runner and his presence would enable Diarmuid to stay forward more and combine with the inside line.
All are my opinions and we'd still have plenty of back-up on the bench, which I agree has improved hugely during this league." Can't see how McBrien will start against Galway. I reckon the 1-9 that lined out yesterday will keep their places. Only Harrison, Hession or Eoghan McLaughlin have a chance of forcing their way in.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 13/03/2022 18:34:56
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Replying To MayoDan: "Can't see how McBrien will start against Galway. I reckon the 1-9 that lined out yesterday will keep their places. Only Harrison, Hession or Eoghan McLaughlin have a chance of forcing their way in." Probably right Dan. The team I listed is what I'd ideally like to see given the players who might be available and road tested in the 2 games before then, but realistically it's probably going to be a lot closer to what took the field in Tralee last night. If McBrien, Cillian, Jason or Moran don't make the Tyrone game, then a bench place at best is all that might be risked v Galway.
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 13/03/2022 19:34:40
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Has Fergal Boland played wing back before?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 13/03/2022 21:14:45
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Has Fergal Boland played wing back before?" Think he played wing back against Dublin in a league match
He is following the same route as Andy Moran..but I don't think Boland is a corner forward, well able to take a score though
tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 601 - 15/03/2022 15:52:58
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Replying To tommy132: "Think he played wing back against Dublin in a league match
He is following the same route as Andy Moran..but I don't think Boland is a corner forward, well able to take a score though" Yeah. I love watching him play, tough, full of energy and enthusiasm. Always willing to have a go, get stuck in to win ball, take a shot on and confident enough to keep at if he misses.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 15/03/2022 18:50:56
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Team announced. Still no Cillian unfortunately. Jason is back in, so happy with that. Rotation continuing, with some unusual positional selections:
Hennelly, Keegan, McBrien, McHugh, Mullin, AO'S, S Coen, Flynn, Ruane, McDonagh, Towey, Boland, Orme, Jason, ROD with a bench of Byrne, Harrison, O'Hora, Plunkett, Brickenden, Hession, Kevin Mc, Conor O'S, Loftus, Carney, D Coen.
Fairly adventurous full back and half-forward lines. As well as Cillian there's no Paddy Durcan or Eoghan McL. James Carr seems to have fallen into some abyss (don't think he's injured). Aidan at CHB is something a lot of supporters have wanted to see for a while given his presence and tackling ability. If his marker decides to wander deep will Aidan hold the centre or be tempted to ramble?
Fair dues again to the management for publishing the team and bench so early... gives supporters something concrete to mull over rather than having to guess right up to throw-in.
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 16/03/2022 17:05:06
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Only occurred, no Diarmuid O'Connor either. Hope it's a planned rest.
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 16/03/2022 17:11:30
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You'd wonder about Cillian o connor and his long term prospects... Has missed an awful lot of football in the last few years..
Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 904 - 16/03/2022 17:24:51
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