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The Limerick dominance of hurling in 1930's was followed by Cork's great 4 in a row team of 1940's. Hopefully, as it often does, history will repeat itself! Hope beats eternal in the human breast! Ha ha
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: ""Not a team in sight, bar Galway who are capable of beating anyone on their day!"
I don't understand this. In what way are Galway different or better than Cork, Tipp, Waterford or Kilkenny; in 'beating anyone on their day'?" Probably appear to have the physicality to match Limerick but no Joe this year in Galway so can henry work the oracle.
As said many times Limerick on top with little enough between the rest but uneasy rests the crown
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 880 - 18/01/2022 16:00:09
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Replying To Rockies: "The Limerick dominance of hurling in 1930's was followed by Cork's great 4 in a row team of 1940's. Hopefully, as it often does, history will repeat itself! Hope beats eternal in the human breast! Ha ha" What "Limerick dominance of hurling in 1930's"? Explain it to me?
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 18/01/2022 16:05:09
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "What "Limerick dominance of hurling in 1930's"? Explain it to me?" Read book by Henry Martin. "Mick Mackey. Hurling legend in troubled county". He's a Limerick man... swears that Limerick dominated hurling in 1930's. 5 Munster titles. 3 all Irelands
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 18/01/2022 16:32:24
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We're in for a really good league, I believe. Who'll win it? Kilkenny or Clare. Let's quickly look at each team!
Limk: justifiably favorites, but don't see them wanting a league semi-final or final so close to the round robin in Munster, which to them is far more important, so they'll do enough to finish mid-table.
Cork: stuffing seriously knocked out of them last year. Don't see them sticking their head above the pulpit too much in 2022.
Clare: Lohan has a settled enough team (compared to say Galway, Tipp or even Cork), so I can see Clare make the semi-final or final.
Wexford: Now, here's a team that the heavy underfoot of winter hurling should suit. I've never seen Wexford as a top of the ground team. They'll have a good league and could make the final. Egan will probably continue with much the same players as Davy, as there's not much else in the county.
Galway: Very similar to Tipp, but Shefflin might try and push for a semi-final spot. Galway has a lot of the same type of player for many different positions, so Henry needs to be decisive enough quite early. If he is, I think that he'll have Galway in good shape for the shortened summer.
Offaly: Despite having made good progress under Fennelly, they'll be strongly fancied for the drop. However, they've Cork at home on Feb 13, and I can see an ambush here.
So, Clare and Wexford for the semi-finals, and Cotk for the relegation mix.
Group B
Kilkenny: Cody has a settled enough team, which went really well in last year's league. They won't be sharing with anyone this year, though.
Dublin: They should motor pretty well in the league, as they seem to be quite sharp, quite early. The heavy grounds should militate against their fast, crisp style of play, though: semi-finals.
Tipp: Getting a settled 15 for the Munster championship is Bonnar's main concern. The league will be used as a testing ground, and winning it isn't really a priority for Tipp.
Waterford: A bit like Limk. League success won't be at the detriment of the round robin system in Munster. They've a settled enough team: mid-table finish.
Laois: Hurling is going great in Laois, and if they can consolidate another season at this level, it'll do them the power of good.
Antrim: similar to Laois. They've Laois away on March 6, and some see this as a shootout between who'll be primed for relegation and who won't. However, Antrim could do a number on either the Dubs or Waterford in Corrigan Park. It's a tight ground and a tough place to come away from with a win.
So, Kilkenny and Dublin for the semi-finals, and Laois for the relegation mix.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1903 - 18/01/2022 16:32:55
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Replying To foreveryoung: "We're in for a really good league, I believe. Who'll win it? Kilkenny or Clare. Let's quickly look at each team!
Limk: justifiably favorites, but don't see them wanting a league semi-final or final so close to the round robin in Munster, which to them is far more important, so they'll do enough to finish mid-table.
Cork: stuffing seriously knocked out of them last year. Don't see them sticking their head above the pulpit too much in 2022.
Clare: Lohan has a settled enough team (compared to say Galway, Tipp or even Cork), so I can see Clare make the semi-final or final.
Wexford: Now, here's a team that the heavy underfoot of winter hurling should suit. I've never seen Wexford as a top of the ground team. They'll have a good league and could make the final. Egan will probably continue with much the same players as Davy, as there's not much else in the county.
Galway: Very similar to Tipp, but Shefflin might try and push for a semi-final spot. Galway has a lot of the same type of player for many different positions, so Henry needs to be decisive enough quite early. If he is, I think that he'll have Galway in good shape for the shortened summer.
Offaly: Despite having made good progress under Fennelly, they'll be strongly fancied for the drop. However, they've Cork at home on Feb 13, and I can see an ambush here.
So, Clare and Wexford for the semi-finals, and Cotk for the relegation mix.
Group B
Kilkenny: Cody has a settled enough team, which went really well in last year's league. They won't be sharing with anyone this year, though.
Dublin: They should motor pretty well in the league, as they seem to be quite sharp, quite early. The heavy grounds should militate against their fast, crisp style of play, though: semi-finals.
Tipp: Getting a settled 15 for the Munster championship is Bonnar's main concern. The league will be used as a testing ground, and winning it isn't really a priority for Tipp.
Waterford: A bit like Limk. League success won't be at the detriment of the round robin system in Munster. They've a settled enough team: mid-table finish.
Laois: Hurling is going great in Laois, and if they can consolidate another season at this level, it'll do them the power of good.
Antrim: similar to Laois. They've Laois away on March 6, and some see this as a shootout between who'll be primed for relegation and who won't. However, Antrim could do a number on either the Dubs or Waterford in Corrigan Park. It's a tight ground and a tough place to come away from with a win.
So, Kilkenny and Dublin for the semi-finals, and Laois for the relegation mix." Does anybody really get relegated anymore?
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 18/01/2022 16:39:00
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Good analysis forever.
The relegation battle in 1A will be interesting. I'd imagine after last year's win over Wexford that no-one will be traveling to Belfast expecting an easy day out. Having said that, they are not great. They were always a match for Dublin even when we were doing well enough but last few times have been no contests. They don't have that physicality and edge to them these days to bother a tuned in team.
The last pre Covid league was good one for Dublin. Topped the division, beat Tipp in quarter final and went down by 3 to Limerick in Kilkenny although it was not that close really!
So, bearing in mind where the team is at the moment, I'd expect a good enough go at it.
Not so sure about Limerick not being pushed about it. They have to play all of the Munster teams other than Waterford so that's incentive enough and like all the great teams in either sport of the past 20 odd years, there's so much energy and competition about them that they'll turn up every day.
Should be some good games over the next six weeks or so.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2524 - 18/01/2022 16:53:05
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Replying To foreveryoung: "We're in for a really good league, I believe. Who'll win it? Kilkenny or Clare. Let's quickly look at each team!
Limk: justifiably favorites, but don't see them wanting a league semi-final or final so close to the round robin in Munster, which to them is far more important, so they'll do enough to finish mid-table.
Cork: stuffing seriously knocked out of them last year. Don't see them sticking their head above the pulpit too much in 2022.
Clare: Lohan has a settled enough team (compared to say Galway, Tipp or even Cork), so I can see Clare make the semi-final or final.
Wexford: Now, here's a team that the heavy underfoot of winter hurling should suit. I've never seen Wexford as a top of the ground team. They'll have a good league and could make the final. Egan will probably continue with much the same players as Davy, as there's not much else in the county.
Galway: Very similar to Tipp, but Shefflin might try and push for a semi-final spot. Galway has a lot of the same type of player for many different positions, so Henry needs to be decisive enough quite early. If he is, I think that he'll have Galway in good shape for the shortened summer.
Offaly: Despite having made good progress under Fennelly, they'll be strongly fancied for the drop. However, they've Cork at home on Feb 13, and I can see an ambush here.
So, Clare and Wexford for the semi-finals, and Cotk for the relegation mix.
Group B
Kilkenny: Cody has a settled enough team, which went really well in last year's league. They won't be sharing with anyone this year, though.
Dublin: They should motor pretty well in the league, as they seem to be quite sharp, quite early. The heavy grounds should militate against their fast, crisp style of play, though: semi-finals.
Tipp: Getting a settled 15 for the Munster championship is Bonnar's main concern. The league will be used as a testing ground, and winning it isn't really a priority for Tipp.
Waterford: A bit like Limk. League success won't be at the detriment of the round robin system in Munster. They've a settled enough team: mid-table finish.
Laois: Hurling is going great in Laois, and if they can consolidate another season at this level, it'll do them the power of good.
Antrim: similar to Laois. They've Laois away on March 6, and some see this as a shootout between who'll be primed for relegation and who won't. However, Antrim could do a number on either the Dubs or Waterford in Corrigan Park. It's a tight ground and a tough place to come away from with a win.
So, Kilkenny and Dublin for the semi-finals, and Laois for the relegation mix." You've spent a lot of time compiling this, so it must be accurate. I'll act on it and run to bookies!
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 18/01/2022 17:03:41
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Replying To Rockies: "Read book by Henry Martin. "Mick Mackey. Hurling legend in troubled county". He's a Limerick man... swears that Limerick dominated hurling in 1930's. 5 Munster titles. 3 all Irelands" You could have also added that Limerick won 4 National League titles on the trot between 1934 and 1938.
The Limerick team(s) of the 1930's undoubtably had great success, but to suggest they 'dominated' the decade is disingenuous.
Kilkenny won 4 All Irelands and were runners-up 4 times, and won 8 Leinster in the 1930's.
Three Kilkenny players - Paddy Phelan, Lory Meagher and Jim Langton - from that decade, were picked on the 1984 Hurling Team of the Century as part of the Gaelic Athletic Association's centenary year celebrations in 1984. The same 3 players were also picked on the Hurling Team of the Millennium chosen in 2000.
Some will say Kilkenny had no competition in Leinster. Dublin played Kilkenny 6 times in the Leinster final in the 1930's, winning twice. They were nearly all close games, two finals went to replays.
When Dublin did get past Kilkenny in Leinster, they lost by 1 point to Limerick in the 1934 AI after a replay. and beat Waterford in 1938 (the last time Dublin won a hurling AI).
Yes, the Limerick team of the 1930's were a great team, so were Kilkenny; but to say Limerick dominated the 1930's is ridiculous
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 18/01/2022 17:45:59
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By the way - as Galway and Kilkenny shared last year's league - does that go in the roll of honour as one win each?
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 18/01/2022 18:39:50
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Replying To johnocarroll17: "By the way - as Galway and Kilkenny shared last year's league - does that go in the roll of honour as one win each?" Just checked (Wikipedia) it has '2021 (shared)' for Galway and Kilkenny in its list of winners.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2447 - 18/01/2022 21:48:47
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "You could have also added that Limerick won 4 National League titles on the trot between 1934 and 1938.
The Limerick team(s) of the 1930's undoubtably had great success, but to suggest they 'dominated' the decade is disingenuous.
Kilkenny won 4 All Irelands and were runners-up 4 times, and won 8 Leinster in the 1930's.
Three Kilkenny players - Paddy Phelan, Lory Meagher and Jim Langton - from that decade, were picked on the 1984 Hurling Team of the Century as part of the Gaelic Athletic Association's centenary year celebrations in 1984. The same 3 players were also picked on the Hurling Team of the Millennium chosen in 2000.
Some will say Kilkenny had no competition in Leinster. Dublin played Kilkenny 6 times in the Leinster final in the 1930's, winning twice. They were nearly all close games, two finals went to replays.
When Dublin did get past Kilkenny in Leinster, they lost by 1 point to Limerick in the 1934 AI after a replay. and beat Waterford in 1938 (the last time Dublin won a hurling AI).
Yes, the Limerick team of the 1930's were a great team, so were Kilkenny; but to say Limerick dominated the 1930's is ridiculous" Must take it up with Google Books... they advertise it as Limerick's decade. 5 National leagues when the league meant something! Interestingly in 1933 a game between Limerick and Waterford was abandoned, due to spectators fighting, but Limerick were awarded the match! Nowadays, the league is a warm up competition. The GAA should address this... it's a competition that many teams don't want to win. Pressures on amateur players with training etc are high... I don't know how they maintain fitness levels!
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 19/01/2022 07:29:09
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Just checked (Wikipedia) it has '2021 (shared)' for Galway and Kilkenny in its list of winners." Wikipedia should add that the competition wasn't finished , due to lack of interest. Subsequently Kilkenny won Leinster , and Galway flopped badly. Pity the Cats didn't get a crack at Limerick
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 19/01/2022 09:20:37
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Replying To foreveryoung: "We're in for a really good league, I believe. Who'll win it? Kilkenny or Clare. Let's quickly look at each team!
Limk: justifiably favorites, but don't see them wanting a league semi-final or final so close to the round robin in Munster, which to them is far more important, so they'll do enough to finish mid-table.
Cork: stuffing seriously knocked out of them last year. Don't see them sticking their head above the pulpit too much in 2022.
Clare: Lohan has a settled enough team (compared to say Galway, Tipp or even Cork), so I can see Clare make the semi-final or final.
Wexford: Now, here's a team that the heavy underfoot of winter hurling should suit. I've never seen Wexford as a top of the ground team. They'll have a good league and could make the final. Egan will probably continue with much the same players as Davy, as there's not much else in the county.
Galway: Very similar to Tipp, but Shefflin might try and push for a semi-final spot. Galway has a lot of the same type of player for many different positions, so Henry needs to be decisive enough quite early. If he is, I think that he'll have Galway in good shape for the shortened summer.
Offaly: Despite having made good progress under Fennelly, they'll be strongly fancied for the drop. However, they've Cork at home on Feb 13, and I can see an ambush here.
So, Clare and Wexford for the semi-finals, and Cotk for the relegation mix.
Group B
Kilkenny: Cody has a settled enough team, which went really well in last year's league. They won't be sharing with anyone this year, though.
Dublin: They should motor pretty well in the league, as they seem to be quite sharp, quite early. The heavy grounds should militate against their fast, crisp style of play, though: semi-finals.
Tipp: Getting a settled 15 for the Munster championship is Bonnar's main concern. The league will be used as a testing ground, and winning it isn't really a priority for Tipp.
Waterford: A bit like Limk. League success won't be at the detriment of the round robin system in Munster. They've a settled enough team: mid-table finish.
Laois: Hurling is going great in Laois, and if they can consolidate another season at this level, it'll do them the power of good.
Antrim: similar to Laois. They've Laois away on March 6, and some see this as a shootout between who'll be primed for relegation and who won't. However, Antrim could do a number on either the Dubs or Waterford in Corrigan Park. It's a tight ground and a tough place to come away from with a win.
So, Kilkenny and Dublin for the semi-finals, and Laois for the relegation mix." There's not much else in Wexford? You're knowledge of the state of hurling in Wexford is amazing. We definitely have some talent coming through and I would expect quite a few new faces this year especially during the league.
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Replying To Rockies: "The Limerick dominance of hurling in 1930's was followed by Cork's great 4 in a row team of 1940's. Hopefully, as it often does, history will repeat itself! Hope beats eternal in the human breast! Ha ha" Think you will find that Limerick only dominated Munster in the 30s. While they were one of the greatest teams of all time they were up against another in the Kilkenny team of that era who won more all Irelands and more provincial titles that decade.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 19/01/2022 10:37:52
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Replying To foreveryoung: "We're in for a really good league, I believe. Who'll win it? Kilkenny or Clare. Let's quickly look at each team!
Limk: justifiably favorites, but don't see them wanting a league semi-final or final so close to the round robin in Munster, which to them is far more important, so they'll do enough to finish mid-table.
Cork: stuffing seriously knocked out of them last year. Don't see them sticking their head above the pulpit too much in 2022.
Clare: Lohan has a settled enough team (compared to say Galway, Tipp or even Cork), so I can see Clare make the semi-final or final.
Wexford: Now, here's a team that the heavy underfoot of winter hurling should suit. I've never seen Wexford as a top of the ground team. They'll have a good league and could make the final. Egan will probably continue with much the same players as Davy, as there's not much else in the county.
Galway: Very similar to Tipp, but Shefflin might try and push for a semi-final spot. Galway has a lot of the same type of player for many different positions, so Henry needs to be decisive enough quite early. If he is, I think that he'll have Galway in good shape for the shortened summer.
Offaly: Despite having made good progress under Fennelly, they'll be strongly fancied for the drop. However, they've Cork at home on Feb 13, and I can see an ambush here.
So, Clare and Wexford for the semi-finals, and Cotk for the relegation mix.
Group B
Kilkenny: Cody has a settled enough team, which went really well in last year's league. They won't be sharing with anyone this year, though.
Dublin: They should motor pretty well in the league, as they seem to be quite sharp, quite early. The heavy grounds should militate against their fast, crisp style of play, though: semi-finals.
Tipp: Getting a settled 15 for the Munster championship is Bonnar's main concern. The league will be used as a testing ground, and winning it isn't really a priority for Tipp.
Waterford: A bit like Limk. League success won't be at the detriment of the round robin system in Munster. They've a settled enough team: mid-table finish.
Laois: Hurling is going great in Laois, and if they can consolidate another season at this level, it'll do them the power of good.
Antrim: similar to Laois. They've Laois away on March 6, and some see this as a shootout between who'll be primed for relegation and who won't. However, Antrim could do a number on either the Dubs or Waterford in Corrigan Park. It's a tight ground and a tough place to come away from with a win.
So, Kilkenny and Dublin for the semi-finals, and Laois for the relegation mix." Bizarre that you think Wexfords game suits heavy ground have you been locked up with no telly the last 5 years?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 19/01/2022 10:39:43
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "Good analysis forever.
The relegation battle in 1A will be interesting. I'd imagine after last year's win over Wexford that no-one will be traveling to Belfast expecting an easy day out. Having said that, they are not great. They were always a match for Dublin even when we were doing well enough but last few times have been no contests. They don't have that physicality and edge to them these days to bother a tuned in team.
The last pre Covid league was good one for Dublin. Topped the division, beat Tipp in quarter final and went down by 3 to Limerick in Kilkenny although it was not that close really!
So, bearing in mind where the team is at the moment, I'd expect a good enough go at it.
Not so sure about Limerick not being pushed about it. They have to play all of the Munster teams other than Waterford so that's incentive enough and like all the great teams in either sport of the past 20 odd years, there's so much energy and competition about them that they'll turn up every day.
Should be some good games over the next six weeks or so." Antrim didnt beat Wexford in the League Barney they beat Clare.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 19/01/2022 10:40:54
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Replying To Rockies: "Wikipedia should add that the competition wasn't finished , due to lack of interest. Subsequently Kilkenny won Leinster , and Galway flopped badly. Pity the Cats didn't get a crack at Limerick" Agree it was nonsense there was no final but technically it was finished insofar as everyone knew starting out there would be no final unless the teams met later in the year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11734 - 19/01/2022 10:43:18
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Replying To Viking66: "Antrim didnt beat Wexford in the League Barney they beat Clare." Apologies Viking old chap! Was close though :-)
That was great game to watch and poor Davy sent off to the stand!
I've been going up there and Ballycastle for 40 years and more. They were always a tough gig. No love lost it is fair to say between Dublin and Antrim as we were always the last chance saloon with Laois when it came to relegation for years and years.
Great time for them all the same as hurling in Belfast and Antrim was far more dangerous off the field than on it.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2524 - 19/01/2022 11:04:38
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Just checked (Wikipedia) it has '2021 (shared)' for Galway and Kilkenny in its list of winners." Checked it myself and Galway and Kilkenny have each been recorded with the league title. So 2 league titles have been awarded for 1 league competition.
Only in the GAA I guess .....
johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 19/01/2022 11:21:49
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