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Replying To Loughduff Lad: "On that point, would it be no harm for ye to drop down to Div 2 for a year or so? I'm being honest now, not stirring. It shouldn't be a stay in Div 1 at all costs, as it seemed ye have done over the years. A drop down, use more youth and move on some older fellas, and come back up with a strong promotion year could do wonders for ye. I feel personally that you go hell for leather for the league in order to stay up, and then you aren't right for championship after ye emptied the tanks in the Spring. Just my opinion, but dropping down a division here and there isn't a big deal and can be used well (just don't do what my fellas did though and completely ignore the league for years). Being solely in Division 1 hasn't done much for ye since 2015..." Yeah that is why I said it wouldn't be the end of the world. Wins breed confidence good habits and we haven't won that many in the league since 18. That said through going down with no wins would not bode well so important few weeks ahead. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1882 - 08/02/2022 10:05:00 2399220 Link
Replying To greysoil: "Dublin Kerry & Monaghan are the longest residents in Division 1. At this point I find the talk of over achievement patronizing & I tend to find it comes from those who hail from counties who consistently under achieve (even though they might declare their county to be Monaghan on this forum) Let's get it into perspective here. We have played 2 games in the league so far & we have one point. Our first 2 games happen to be last years All Ireland finalists. Tyrone just off a plane you say - they were back 3 weeks and I am sure they might have a had a couple of training sessions before the game, but then again maybe you know something that I don't. Regarding the big names missing from Tyrone, who exactly. Maybe you are thinking of some of their lads who have left the panel. We should have beaten Mayo and there were some poor decisions made & opportunities missed. Again little in it,We have yet to meet Armagh, Dublin Kerry & Kildare. The team - and particularly the newly blooded lads on the panel - will continue to refine their game and I expect a couple of big performances over the coming weekends. This is division one football & it is competitive. If you want to see what' ' lost', really looks like, look over the hedge at the neighbours. As always MUINEACHÁIN ABÚ!" Your first point, Tyrone are back 3 weeks, Monaghan have been training since October! So in terms of "only off the plane", they are 3months behind Monaghan and most other teams at this stage.. Your second point, Ronan McNamee, Micheal O Neill and Conor McKenna all missing off the starting 15……. Your third point, "we are still to meet Armagh, Kildare and Dublin", are you actually saying we expect to take points of Arm & Dub as they get further down their line in preparation? I can see us picking up a win against Kildare and that's it unfortunately. Look at the decision making on the line Sunday, taking woods & McCarron off when needing scores?! Kieran Hughes up in the stand not even selected for the game day panel, the best footballer in Monaghan the past 12months not being selected just due to a personality clash? Stephen O'H not returning? Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 08/02/2022 10:27:44 2399233 Link
Replying To seanie08: "Yeah that is why I said it wouldn't be the end of the world. Wins breed confidence good habits and we haven't won that many in the league since 18. That said through going down with no wins would not bode well so important few weeks ahead." I hear you, but winning and staying in Division 1 hasn't always worked either. A drop down this year could open up next few years a lot for ye. A step back, but multiple ones forward in a way Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 08/02/2022 10:49:41 2399246 Link
Replying To Blueblood4life: "Your first point, Tyrone are back 3 weeks, Monaghan have been training since October! So in terms of "only off the plane", they are 3months behind Monaghan and most other teams at this stage.. Your second point, Ronan McNamee, Micheal O Neill and Conor McKenna all missing off the starting 15……. Your third point, "we are still to meet Armagh, Kildare and Dublin", are you actually saying we expect to take points of Arm & Dub as they get further down their line in preparation? I can see us picking up a win against Kildare and that's it unfortunately. Look at the decision making on the line Sunday, taking woods & McCarron off when needing scores?! Kieran Hughes up in the stand not even selected for the game day panel, the best footballer in Monaghan the past 12months not being selected just due to a personality clash? Stephen O'H not returning?" Bottom line is we need a young fresh innovative manager on the line to nurture the young talent we have coming through plus there is 25,000 reasons why Banty should never have got back into the hot seat……. mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 570 - 08/02/2022 12:32:34 2399291 Link
If Stephen O'Hanlon is definitely gone from the panel that is a big loss. It would also have been good to see Conor Leonard get a run of games too. Hopefully he'll get a chance before the end of the league. That said, a team that lost an Ulster final by a point to the eventual All Ireland winners should not be even considering Division 2 football. This is the 3rd year of the management team so that would be a major step backwards. I didn't see the Mayo game but from the Tyrone game it seemed some of the freshness had gone out of the team. Without O'Hanlon the extra pace for stretching teams is gone and Mulligan looks like he's just not on form. This happens with young players. Early days I know but I expected more. It feels like Monaghan are starting from further back than they ended last year and these days it's much harder to just switch it on come championship time. Midfield for me is always the key and with Kearns and Lavelle playing the team should be able to get a foothold in most games. That opens the door in any game provided the team is able to take advantage of it. It's the management's job to make sure that happens but I wouldn't have too much confidence in Banty to do that. PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 191 - 08/02/2022 14:08:53 2399315 Link
Replying To mick2007: "Bottom line is we need a young fresh innovative manager on the line to nurture the young talent we have coming through plus there is 25,000 reasons why Banty should never have got back into the hot seat……." I personally would just settle on a suitable role model for the young men in our county at this stage. Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 08/02/2022 14:23:04 2399321 Link
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "I hear you, but winning and staying in Division 1 hasn't always worked either. A drop down this year could open up next few years a lot for ye. A step back, but multiple ones forward in a way" My own opinion is we are headed for the drop this year just not enough quality in the team in defence or attack these days to win these matches. Key defenders too many miles in legs or off form and not scoring heavy enough when on top like armagh or kerry or mayo do. Think we won 2 matches in div 1 in 2019 and 2 in 2020 and just beat galway last year albeit strange season due to covid. Point is our ceiling is max 2 wins. You'd imagine target is one v kildare which won't be easy and the other has to be armagh or donegal as kerry will beat us and dublin have to get bounce soon. Even then that probably won't be enough to survive but least two wins better than nothing going into summer. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1882 - 08/02/2022 14:32:31 2399325 Link
This game was lost in the 1st 10 minutes 3 frees and a good goal chance missed b4 Mayo had got going, why Carey wasn't on free duties after the same thing happened against Tyrone is baffling, also why bring on our smallest forward when we were already losing the physical battle against the Mayo backs. Points will be hard to come by from here sadly. DEBOGMAN (Monaghan) - Posts: 12 - 08/02/2022 14:52:11 2399336 Link
Replying To DEBOGMAN: "This game was lost in the 1st 10 minutes 3 frees and a good goal chance missed b4 Mayo had got going, why Carey wasn't on free duties after the same thing happened against Tyrone is baffling, also why bring on our smallest forward when we were already losing the physical battle against the Mayo backs. Points will be hard to come by from here sadly." Took off woods who was our best player and after scoring a smashing point, a mad mad decision monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 410 - 08/02/2022 20:26:22 2399426 Link
Where has Monaghan GAA chat moved to now this place has died? Missing the manger merry go round gossip etc. TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 208 - 13/02/2022 16:49:10 2400135 Link
Armagh this Saturday, how do we think this be is likely to go? As poor as we have been the past two games I don't think we are as far of Armagh as the results might say. Every possibility that Armagh take us for granted and we get a result. That being said we could also find ourselves on the end of a big defeat. Hard to call Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 15/02/2022 12:17:53 2400459 Link
They could go through us for short cuts the way both teams have been playing but the two week break sometimes halts momentum and armagh might find it hard getting up for us after bright lights of croke Park and stuffing the all ireland champions. Its a defining game for monaghan lose and with kerry next pressure really on as be staring down barrell of relegation. Think we will scrape a one point win in a v tight game. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1882 - 16/02/2022 10:50:10 2400620 Link
Certainly didn't expect game to turn out like that. Great heart in the circumstances to get the point but despite loads of effort lack the finishing needed to win the big games. We have won v few games in div 1 over the last few years and watching that display this evening no great mystery why. 4 point lead at half time that should been nine or ten no shooters at the end with main man sent off. We are hard to beat as ever but won't win much playing like that. On positive side great display by Darren Hughes his best game in years. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1882 - 19/02/2022 20:24:17 2401162 Link
Yeah Darren was excellent tonight as was many of the players.. What's the story though with the shooting.. there was so many missed scores from close in!! never mind from distance.. it was shocking.. Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 814 - 19/02/2022 20:48:01 2401165 Link
Terrible game tonight for any neutral watcjing , horrendous shooting by both side..we got lucky with the peno as the ball was over the line.. we play a terrible style of football which basically means we're extermely dogged, we won't hammer anyone and we won't get hammered either by anyone..again instead of pushing on we sat back and lost a big lead again… however as I've said before these caveman tactics won't win many cups for us.. I know Banty will count the McKenna cup on his managerial Cv……..I personally think going Div 2 will do us the world of good.. every game in div 1 is proving such a grind for us that we look physically and mentally shot… mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 570 - 19/02/2022 21:20:55 2401170 Link
What did Mansy get the line for? I was right down the other end....yes, ball did look like it could have been over. Under Banty we have become experts at snatching draws from the jaws of victory. In fairness to the players they did well to salvage something, (At the end we must have had a sequence of about 50 passes!) but it was poor fair. No cutting edge...as soon as Mansy went off, so did all scoring threat. moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 462 - 19/02/2022 21:38:42 2401175 Link
I think we did well to come away with a draw from that. We played a good part of that second half with 13 men and were up against the form team in the country. I'm not sure what's going on with the shooting, but if we sort that out (because it's been an issue since the start of the year) we can improve from last year. SoNearYetSoFarney (Monaghan) - Posts: 56 - 20/02/2022 07:50:36 2401182 Link
I think we did well to come away with a draw from that. We played a good part of that second half with 13 men and were up against the form team in the country. I'm not sure what's going on with the shooting, but if we sort that out (because it's been an issue since the start of the year) we can improve from last year. SoNearYetSoFarney (Monaghan) - Posts: 56 - 20/02/2022 08:02:21 2401184 Link
I think we did well to come away with a draw from that. We played a good part of that second half with 13 men and were up against the form team in the country. I'm not sure what's going on with the shooting, but if we sort that out (because it's been an issue since the start of the year) we can improve from last year. SoNearYetSoFarney (Monaghan) - Posts: 56 - 20/02/2022 08:10:39 2401186 Link
Replying To SoNearYetSoFarney: "I think we did well to come away with a draw from that. We played a good part of that second half with 13 men and were up against the form team in the country. I'm not sure what's going on with the shooting, but if we sort that out (because it's been an issue since the start of the year) we can improve from last year." Don't think we're giving enough credit to our defence last night. Armagh have been scoring for fun in their previous two games and yes conditions were tough but we really stuck to them all the way through to restrict them to eight scores and that should have been enough to win. Everyone one of them is comfortable on the ball and even in those horrible conditions we were able to play the ball out from the full back line time after time. The one time Ryan got caught - when we were two players down - they got their goal Great credit to Beggan too as he is a real asset when we are players down - we got a lot of black cards in last years league - and between the time wasting re injuries and Beggan playing out the field it doesn't hurt us too much - but clearly having McManus off at the same time as the black cad was a massive challenge. Upfront we have been so poor this year and with McManus out now for a while its hard to see where then scores will come from - Jack's shooting from play is awful and even his frees are not reliable. Hopefully he will come good as he is getting good possession at least. Vofster (Monaghan) - Posts: 18 - 20/02/2022 10:46:23 2401211 Link