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Monaghan very poor yesterday cavan better team on the day but both teams will win very **** all this side off draw very tough best of luck to cavan

Lad79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 53 - 08/04/2024 12:13:46    2536535

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So Monaghan have 6 weeks now to prepare for the Group Stages and making a quarter final must be a target now.
Seeing as we have been severley depleted all through the league, we should be a different animal if all our injuries clear up.
I would have this as starting 15 for next game.

Beggan

Wylie
Duffy
O'Toole/McPhilips

O'Connell
McEnespie
McCarthy

Mohan
Lavelle (assuming Darren doesn't make it back in time)

Woods
Bannigan
Ward

O'Hanlon
McCarron
Jones

to come in off the bench in this order:
McManus
Hamill
McNulty
Mooney

We seem to have a number of good options in forwards but I'm still worried about our defence. I'd possibly have Lavelle playing back as a full back and move Woods into midfield.
We need a different approach though, there's not point in having a defensive game plan and a slow ponderous build up if you have one of the worst defensive records in the league.
Its a shame we don't have the availabliity of Kearns and Boyle this year, both would make some difference to the team.

SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 101 - 08/04/2024 12:22:20    2536541

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Folks, was to say, best wishes to Darren Hughes. That was terrible to see a man like him go down like that, and hope the injury isn't too bad and he gets back playing soon. Hope that's not his last act.

And a word about some of your players. After the game we were out on the field, and some of your fellas stayed back and spoke to kids, talked to the Cavan players and such. Saw Gary Mohan staying out for ages in a scrum of young lads and he made time for all of them when it would have been easier to run down the tunnel. Fair play

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2386 - 08/04/2024 12:30:02    2536545

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Replying To RHF:  "Yes we have better expectations like getting back to an all Ireland semi final like last year....
monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 378 - 08/04/2024 10:57:23 2

The best of luck with that you will need it all on the back of 7 straight defeats."
Realistically the provincial's are a dying competition. It's all about the all ireland series now. Winning a Provence is all well and good but 3/4 Ulster teams have aspirations of winning the all Ireland. Getting knocked out is not the same as before. Monaghan were poor yesterday. Cavan deserved their win.. I think the break and players going back to clubs will benefit the team to reset and look forward to the champ. A win and draw gets is a quarter final. Cavan have a meeting with Tyrone which I don't think would have benefited us greatly but here we are

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 392 - 08/04/2024 12:32:10    2536546

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Realistically the provincial's are a dying competition. It's all about the all ireland series now. Winning a Provence is all well and good but 3/4 Ulster teams have aspirations of winning the all Ireland. Getting knocked out is not the same as before. Monaghan were poor yesterday. Cavan deserved their win.. I think the break and players going back to clubs will benefit the team to reset and look forward to the champ. A win and draw gets is a quarter final. Cavan have a meeting with Tyrone which I don't think would have benefited us greatly but here we are"
They're dying as they are being let die, and that is utterly shameful. It should not be this way

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2386 - 08/04/2024 12:54:26    2536559

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Replying To SouthMonMan:  "So Monaghan have 6 weeks now to prepare for the Group Stages and making a quarter final must be a target now.
Seeing as we have been severley depleted all through the league, we should be a different animal if all our injuries clear up.
I would have this as starting 15 for next game.

Beggan

Wylie
Duffy
O'Toole/McPhilips

O'Connell
McEnespie
McCarthy

Mohan
Lavelle (assuming Darren doesn't make it back in time)

Woods
Bannigan
Ward

O'Hanlon
McCarron
Jones

to come in off the bench in this order:
McManus
Hamill
McNulty
Mooney

We seem to have a number of good options in forwards but I'm still worried about our defence. I'd possibly have Lavelle playing back as a full back and move Woods into midfield.
We need a different approach though, there's not point in having a defensive game plan and a slow ponderous build up if you have one of the worst defensive records in the league.
Its a shame we don't have the availabliity of Kearns and Boyle this year, both would make some difference to the team."
I know where you're coming from, picking a team from what we've seen but realistically there's maybe 6 men there that either aren't good enough to be on the county team or are past it.

The whole fullback line is just not good enough by todays standard. Duffy still has the presence to survive out in the mixer - I'd consider him in midfield these days. But O'Toole is just not a defender and wylies legs are gone. I feel a bit for McPhillips because he seems to get the hook when the whole team is underperforming in front of him.

This should have been the year Boyle from Truagh was made a fixture at full back and be done with it - but Vinny is still shoving square pegs into round holes for a temporary fix.

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 150 - 08/04/2024 13:01:22    2536564

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Replying To SouthMonMan:  "So Monaghan have 6 weeks now to prepare for the Group Stages and making a quarter final must be a target now.
Seeing as we have been severley depleted all through the league, we should be a different animal if all our injuries clear up.
I would have this as starting 15 for next game.

Beggan

Wylie
Duffy
O'Toole/McPhilips

O'Connell
McEnespie
McCarthy

Mohan
Lavelle (assuming Darren doesn't make it back in time)

Woods
Bannigan
Ward

O'Hanlon
McCarron
Jones

to come in off the bench in this order:
McManus
Hamill
McNulty
Mooney

We seem to have a number of good options in forwards but I'm still worried about our defence. I'd possibly have Lavelle playing back as a full back and move Woods into midfield.
We need a different approach though, there's not point in having a defensive game plan and a slow ponderous build up if you have one of the worst defensive records in the league.
Its a shame we don't have the availabliity of Kearns and Boyle this year, both would make some difference to the team."
Wouldn't disagree with 1-9.

However. Hamill will be starting every game going forward, don't expect Woods to regain Vinny trust any time soon.

McManus will probably get the nod ahead of McCarron.

I think going forward the most likely set of forward will be

Hamill,Bannigan,O'Hanlon
Ward,Jones and McManus.

With Dessie going out around the middle.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 08/04/2024 13:01:49    2536565

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Realistically the provincial's are a dying competition. It's all about the all ireland series now. Winning a Provence is all well and good but 3/4 Ulster teams have aspirations of winning the all Ireland. Getting knocked out is not the same as before. Monaghan were poor yesterday. Cavan deserved their win.. I think the break and players going back to clubs will benefit the team to reset and look forward to the champ. A win and draw gets is a quarter final. Cavan have a meeting with Tyrone which I don't think would have benefited us greatly but here we are"
Completely disagree. The provincial competition is the only meaningful big day out for a lot of teams.

These sub competitions will always have an asterisks against them. The teams competing will enjoy a win now and then but they know it's for naught when even if they win the whole thing, it's still not Sam.

I heard someone in Leinster finally talking sense this week about their provincial competition. He said it's not up to them as a committee to trash a century old competition in the name of marketing - it's up to them to bring every other county up to Dublins level and market that.

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 150 - 08/04/2024 13:12:02    2536574

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "Completely disagree. The provincial competition is the only meaningful big day out for a lot of teams.

These sub competitions will always have an asterisks against them. The teams competing will enjoy a win now and then but they know it's for naught when even if they win the whole thing, it's still not Sam.

I heard someone in Leinster finally talking sense this week about their provincial competition. He said it's not up to them as a committee to trash a century old competition in the name of marketing - it's up to them to bring every other county up to Dublins level and market that."
Meaningful yes? functional no ? Finish top half of Div 2 and you are sin the all Ireland series and with a decent draw like us last year you are in an all Ireland semi final. You have to pick your battles in the new system. What good is an ulster title.. top seeds but sure even that's not a huge advantage like the old system... Yesterday is not as bad as people make it out...performance it was but we can really focus now on 3 games to define the season.

veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 392 - 08/04/2024 14:00:56    2536595

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Replying To germac:  "i think thats a bit of a smart alec comment fella , theres no such thing as in your words laughing boys of Ulster, Monaghan have always carried themselves well and won a few hard earned Ulsters along the way , yes Derry are on the crest of a wave right now and that is great to see , but look have a bit of respect and manners to all of those teams who train just as hard as yourselves , good man mind yourself"
I think it was harsh on Monaghan, Down are the laughing stock of Ulster football with their 3 defeats out of 3 in finals. All talk. The rest of Ulster should take it easy and give Down a chance in Ulster.

Neartheborder (Derry) - Posts: 56 - 08/04/2024 14:30:37    2536602

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Any truth in the rumour Beggan is gone at the end of April?

monaghanfootballfan (Monaghan) - Posts: 1 - 08/04/2024 15:12:39    2536619

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Replying To veterngaa:  "Meaningful yes? functional no ? Finish top half of Div 2 and you are sin the all Ireland series and with a decent draw like us last year you are in an all Ireland semi final. You have to pick your battles in the new system. What good is an ulster title.. top seeds but sure even that's not a huge advantage like the old system... Yesterday is not as bad as people make it out...performance it was but we can really focus now on 3 games to define the season."
Totally agree.. with injuries and giving older lads a rest in the league, we haven't had a chance to play our strongest team yet this year. We have been operating at about 60% so far giving the number of lads out. Hopefully we will get the chance now in the All Ireland Series. We do need to be more attacking though and use the pace of our young forwards.
The way the seeding operates and open draw of the provincials, two of the 2nd seeds will most likely be Clare and Kildare/ Louth. I'd be more worried about 3rd seeds which will most likely include Donegal, Tyrone, Roscommon.

SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 101 - 08/04/2024 15:21:57    2536626

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Replying To SouthMonMan:  "Totally agree.. with injuries and giving older lads a rest in the league, we haven't had a chance to play our strongest team yet this year. We have been operating at about 60% so far giving the number of lads out. Hopefully we will get the chance now in the All Ireland Series. We do need to be more attacking though and use the pace of our young forwards.
The way the seeding operates and open draw of the provincials, two of the 2nd seeds will most likely be Clare and Kildare/ Louth. I'd be more worried about 3rd seeds which will most likely include Donegal, Tyrone, Roscommon."
Wouldn't Monaghan be a 3rd seed too?


Let's assume all games go with bookies. .
Kerry beat Clare
Dublin beat Louth (or whoever but let's say Louth)
Mayo beat Galway or visa versa (but let's say Mayo)
Derry beat Armagh

Seeds would be:

1.
Kerry derry dublin Mayo

2.
Galway Armagh clare Louth

3.
Tyrone Roscommon donegal monaghan

4.
Meath Cavan Cork Westmeath


That's my understanding of it.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 08/04/2024 15:48:49    2536638

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Wouldn't Monaghan be a 3rd seed too?


Let's assume all games go with bookies. .
Kerry beat Clare
Dublin beat Louth (or whoever but let's say Louth)
Mayo beat Galway or visa versa (but let's say Mayo)
Derry beat Armagh

Seeds would be:

1.
Kerry derry dublin Mayo

2.
Galway Armagh clare Louth

3.
Tyrone Roscommon donegal monaghan

4.
Meath Cavan Cork Westmeath


That's my understanding of it."
yes.. you are correct.
The 4th seeds would be Meath (Tailteann Cup winner) and last 3 teams based on league position.
I'd say your predictions there won't be far off at all.

The most favourable group for Monaghan would be:
Mayo
Clare or Louth
Monaghan
Westmeath
You'd have to fancy your chances of finishing 2nd in a group like this if you were serious about reaching a quarter final.

For Cavan, I'd say you would prefer similar and would prefer to meet Monagahan again as opposed to other three 3rd seeeded teams.
Mayo
Clare or Louth
Monaghan
Cavan

SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 101 - 08/04/2024 16:18:57    2536655

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Dont agree with all this talking about stephen o neill and forward coaching he was there for the league and we probably scored the least number of goals of any team in all the divisions. We were the better team yesterday but there was not much in it the only reason we won was because when faulkner won that ball and beat his man he decided to go for goal where as for the past few years cavan players have been happy taking points from much better positions. This decision by faulkner and his brilliant goat won the game for cavan if he had taken the easy option and punched a point cavan would probably have lost this game.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 454 - 08/04/2024 16:48:17    2536662

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Replying To SouthMonMan:  "yes.. you are correct.
The 4th seeds would be Meath (Tailteann Cup winner) and last 3 teams based on league position.
I'd say your predictions there won't be far off at all.

The most favourable group for Monaghan would be:
Mayo
Clare or Louth
Monaghan
Westmeath
You'd have to fancy your chances of finishing 2nd in a group like this if you were serious about reaching a quarter final.

For Cavan, I'd say you would prefer similar and would prefer to meet Monagahan again as opposed to other three 3rd seeeded teams.
Mayo
Clare or Louth
Monaghan
Cavan"
On the face of it, yes.

Who does the top seed play last?

Might be better to play Dublin who, even with the foot off the throttle might beat all 3, leaving it a 3-way battle for the other 2 spots.

Would hate to lose to a top seed only to see them rest lads in the final game.

Also, would prefer as few Ulster opponents as possible really, just for the novelty of an away trip really. Ennis or Killarney etc.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 08/04/2024 17:11:39    2536671

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Wouldn't Monaghan be a 3rd seed too?


Let's assume all games go with bookies. .
Kerry beat Clare
Dublin beat Louth (or whoever but let's say Louth)
Mayo beat Galway or visa versa (but let's say Mayo)
Derry beat Armagh

Seeds would be:

1.
Kerry derry dublin Mayo

2.
Galway Armagh clare Louth

3.
Tyrone Roscommon donegal monaghan

4.
Meath Cavan Cork Westmeath


That's my understanding of it."
It's actually incredible when you look at it that way. Because then there will be another 36 games to eliminate 4 teams. And then you have your preliminary quarter finals. They've made a flute of the whole thing.

BrehonBlonde (Monaghan) - Posts: 31 - 08/04/2024 17:25:21    2536681

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Replying To Jjoniel79:  "I know where you're coming from, picking a team from what we've seen but realistically there's maybe 6 men there that either aren't good enough to be on the county team or are past it.

The whole fullback line is just not good enough by todays standard. Duffy still has the presence to survive out in the mixer - I'd consider him in midfield these days. But O'Toole is just not a defender and wylies legs are gone. I feel a bit for McPhillips because he seems to get the hook when the whole team is underperforming in front of him.

This should have been the year Boyle from Truagh was made a fixture at full back and be done with it - but Vinny is still shoving square pegs into round holes for a temporary fix."
you clearly don't know what you're talking about as Boyle from Truagh opted out of playing county football this year.
I'd like to see the 6 names you have that are not good enough for our county team/ who you would replace them with.
As for Duffy in midfield… Deary me.

HB245 (Monaghan) - Posts: 206 - 08/04/2024 17:46:41    2536686

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A few posters trying to deflect away from a terrible showing yesterday by suggesting we could still make a quarter final or with a kind draw, we have the worst defence in the country and will struggle against most teams in the Sam Maguire, ain't no quick fix here. Yesterday was abject, playing a FF line with no pace and a weak half forward line didn't help. There is so many players out of form, legs are gone or those who are simply not good enough playing on this team currently. I could only spare beggan, d hughes, hamaill and jones as ones who can take some credit from yesterday. Couldn't believe how cavan looked physically bigger than us in the jersey, they really wanted to win this game and fully deserved it. Despite our heroic league exploits, cavan despite being in division 4 , two years ago have dominated this fixture. Its 10 years since we won ulster and will likely be a while before we win it again. Vinny is now in a predicament of where his loyalty either lies to some of his old team mates or does he use Sam Maguire to start to build a new team. Time will tell but already this season is looking like a write off.

222 (UK) - Posts: 694 - 08/04/2024 18:19:20    2536695

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Replying To HB245:  " you clearly don't know what you're talking about as Boyle from Truagh opted out of playing county football this year.
I'd like to see the 6 names you have that are not good enough for our county team/ who you would replace them with.
As for Duffy in midfield… Deary me."
You clearly don't know the lads personally. He was told to be patient and sit contently on the bench which he had no heed on and rightly so given what he's seeing.

As for midfield, no Hughes means we've to look elsewhere for help in the middle… who are you looking at? McCarville??..deary me indeed.

If you can't see from Sunday the 6 lads for yourself then you've a lot to learn about football son. We've an underage system that's heaving with talent that needs games and exposure to the top level to bring them along, why not now.

Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 150 - 08/04/2024 18:24:14    2536697

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