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Replying To countymonaghan: "Okay- Anyway we can quit the nonsense and just use the thread for its purpose.. Lets focus now on Kerry now on Sunday. Do we think management will go with same team (if possible) or is there any changes to be made?? McNulty deserve his spot? There wasn't much he done wrong while being on the field. Tough for Vinny and co selecting a team going by last weeks performance. Expect a backlash from Kerry after their defeat at home last week. But imagine another 2 points on the board this weekend? Wouldn't it be ideal. Bring the same intensity and courage as shown against Dublin last week and we wont be far away. Lets start back backing performances up by having two good days in a row. Hopefully a massive crowd in Clones on Sunday to support the team and management," You may see the odd switch. Would like to see Woods in from the start.. he might say McNulty did well from the bench so keep him there for similar impact. Kerry may very well bring the Cliffords back for this weekend. I think a lot has to do with what Kerry team travel. veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 390 - 01/02/2024 09:38:31 2523622 Link
Really enjoyed the game last Saturday in Croker. Although, you'd be worried by how reliant we were on running straight through the guts of the Dubs for scores. Seems like a very Croke Park specific game plan, one that we'll struggle to get as many scores out of against a Derry type set up or on any of the manky days and pitches the rest of the league is bound to throw up. Exciting football though. One tactic that we really seem to underuse is the mark. The Dubs were very clearly focusing on it on Sat and picking off easy scores. As far as I can see, Mansy has been the sole Monaghan player to really embrace it and get regular scores from it. Maybe it's a skill set thing? Or being comfortable taking that responsibility on? But I think one or two more Monaghan players should be looking to develop that as a tactic on both sides, hitting the longer kick passes, and collecting the ball in the chest/air in a bit of space. Mohan did it a bit last year. Any of the other younger forwards coming on to the team we think would be well suited to targeting for this? I think peak-Kieran Hughes would have been fantastic at it, if that rule had been around back then. Let's bate Kerry at the weekend and break the back of maintaining Div 1 football early... I'm drained from the last day madness! MunnionOfMunnionHill (Monaghan) - Posts: 4 - 01/02/2024 14:07:23 2523677 Link
Replying To MunnionOfMunnionHill: "Really enjoyed the game last Saturday in Croker. Although, you'd be worried by how reliant we were on running straight through the guts of the Dubs for scores. Seems like a very Croke Park specific game plan, one that we'll struggle to get as many scores out of against a Derry type set up or on any of the manky days and pitches the rest of the league is bound to throw up. Exciting football though. One tactic that we really seem to underuse is the mark. The Dubs were very clearly focusing on it on Sat and picking off easy scores. As far as I can see, Mansy has been the sole Monaghan player to really embrace it and get regular scores from it. Maybe it's a skill set thing? Or being comfortable taking that responsibility on? But I think one or two more Monaghan players should be looking to develop that as a tactic on both sides, hitting the longer kick passes, and collecting the ball in the chest/air in a bit of space. Mohan did it a bit last year. Any of the other younger forwards coming on to the team we think would be well suited to targeting for this? I think peak-Kieran Hughes would have been fantastic at it, if that rule had been around back then. Let's bate Kerry at the weekend and break the back of maintaining Div 1 football early... I'm drained from the last day madness!" Great post. Totally agree that this rule should be taken advantage of especially when we have strong willing forward such as Bannigan, O Hanlon, Jones, Woods. Even Mooney, McNulty off the bench should be all confident getting out in front of their men to win the ball. I suppose it depends on the delivery of the ball to them that allows them to receive it in a manner that allows them to take the mark. Prime Kieran Hughes would of had a field day at this, you're totally correct. Agree with getting another two points on the board ASAP to take the pressure off later in the league. Only so many times we can watch our team fight it out on the last day of the league and also be depending on other teams to do us a favor. Be great to be in a position to be in a safe spot come the last 2 games and be solely focusing on the championship and getting bodies right for it. Here's hoping. Be interesting to see the Kerry team that comes to Clones but I can see a very similar game plan to what was played in Croke Park. Clones is a big field and if Kerry aren't totally defensive there is no reason why the hard running and taking on men can't be done again. Wouldn't be surprised to see the two Cliffords added to the team sheet come Sunday. Even it is only to bring them on to get time into their legs. countymonaghan (Monaghan) - Posts: 273 - 02/02/2024 09:49:19 2523796 Link
No sign of a team named at the 11th hour which is a pity. Kerry will be determined to make Monaghan go away early on, which will be a big test of the young players' mentality. A lot will hinge on whether Monaghan's tacklers are able to adapt to the picky style of Sean Hurson. If he decides to penalise every little contact then we could be in for a tough day. O'Hanlon has announced himself and Kerry will have him well marshalled, so we need another to step up. Woods for the dog day it is in Clones could be key. Good luck Vinny and co. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1058 - 04/02/2024 12:17:26 2524169 Link
Poor stuff. Few lads who ain't up to it. Hopefully management can see that. veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 390 - 04/02/2024 14:21:12 2524191 Link
Replying To veterngaa: "Poor stuff. Few lads who ain't up to it. Hopefully management can see that." Kerry just too much for monaghan Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 214 - 04/02/2024 14:43:31 2524197 Link
Replying To Gaaforlife2023: "Kerry just too much for monaghan" In some ways, yes. We could have limited the damage however. 3-15 though … veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 390 - 04/02/2024 14:53:37 2524203 Link
To be fair kerry were on it today and were ready for us. Our hand was shown last week and their need was greater. Our first three games are against the best three sides in country last year and prob this year also. We are missing almost half our team from last year and are blooding a lot of new lads. We will have players back for matches we are looking to win to stay in the division and if we are good enough or not remains to be seen. Its part of the process days like today. Mgmt will learn a lot . seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 04/02/2024 15:13:33 2524213 Link
Replying To veterngaa: "Poor stuff. Few lads who ain't up to it. Hopefully management can see that." I hope your including 1 or 2 of your own clubmen in that analogy… mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 04/02/2024 16:23:29 2524241 Link
Kerry are very good at finding and exposing weaknesses. The Managment now need to correct these and make the team stronger Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 801 - 04/02/2024 16:36:21 2524247 Link
Replying To mick2007: "I hope your including 1 or 2 of your own clubmen in that analogy…" You think McCarron and o'toole are not up to it ? veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 390 - 04/02/2024 17:06:23 2524264 Link
Replying To veterngaa: "You think McCarron and o'toole are not up to it ?" O'Toole was badly shown up today. He's a solid and well rounded footballer but he's definitely not a man marker. He's not got any elite physical aspects to his game and Clifford showed that today. Clifford will take any defender to the cleaners that hasn't got the elite speed to get out in front of him and sadly I think since Ryan Wylie was coming through we haven't had a proper flyer at corner back since. Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 146 - 04/02/2024 17:35:51 2524270 Link
Kerry at near full strength against a very in expierenced Monaghan team, it was comfortable for the kingdom and they toyed with us. Ideal game for monaghan onnwho is not up to it and there was at least five. We are producing very small players, kerry big strong athletes with natural footballing ability. 222 (UK) - Posts: 694 - 04/02/2024 17:46:23 2524277 Link
Replying To veterngaa: "You think McCarron and o'toole are not up to it ?" Obviously they are the currin man was excellent today in fairness albeit playing to far out from goals… I was more thinking bout who came on…. mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 04/02/2024 17:46:57 2524278 Link
Replying To veterngaa: "You think McCarron and o'toole are not up to it ?" o Toole is a good football, nothing more and nothing less…that goal against tryone aside he hasn't set the world alight…. mick2007 (Monaghan) - Posts: 449 - 04/02/2024 17:48:33 2524279 Link
Replying To Jjoniel79: "O'Toole was badly shown up today. He's a solid and well rounded footballer but he's definitely not a man marker. He's not got any elite physical aspects to his game and Clifford showed that today. Clifford will take any defender to the cleaners that hasn't got the elite speed to get out in front of him and sadly I think since Ryan Wylie was coming through we haven't had a proper flyer at corner back since." Most men get shown up badly by him in fairness. Lavelle got a fair roasting too. Just didn't seem to get any cover o r pressure on at all veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 390 - 04/02/2024 17:52:58 2524281 Link
Replying To mick2007: "Obviously they are the currin man was excellent today in fairness albeit playing to far out from goals… I was more thinking bout who came on…." Scored a point .. did not worse than what was on before him! How KS stayed on was scandalous veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 390 - 04/02/2024 18:00:07 2524285 Link
Wouldn't be too disappointed losing to a near full Kerry team, however the points difference could come back to haunt us, hopefully we pick up 2 wins along the way mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 04/02/2024 18:09:06 2524289 Link
Disappointing to lose but Kerry were up for it with a strong team and bench. The two teams are at the opposite ends of the development spectrum. Monaghan missed a few clear goal opportunities, and they had 3 or 4 blockdowns showing a bit of youthful naivety, that's all. I don't think any players have played themselves off the panel yet. Most did OK in flashes when consistency is needed - again that's a young team. That team picked today deserved another outing after the Dublin game but won't start the championship. VInny Corey is trying to give guys a good chance and find options at midfield etc. So far I think it's been a qualified success. Next 2 games will give a fuller picture. PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 158 - 04/02/2024 18:31:06 2524297 Link
Replying To PolicemanFox: "Disappointing to lose but Kerry were up for it with a strong team and bench. The two teams are at the opposite ends of the development spectrum. Monaghan missed a few clear goal opportunities, and they had 3 or 4 blockdowns showing a bit of youthful naivety, that's all. I don't think any players have played themselves off the panel yet. Most did OK in flashes when consistency is needed - again that's a young team. That team picked today deserved another outing after the Dublin game but won't start the championship. VInny Corey is trying to give guys a good chance and find options at midfield etc. So far I think it's been a qualified success. Next 2 games will give a fuller picture." A disappointing end scoreline today but still I'd be happy enough after 2 rounds with Dublin and Kerry both out of the way. The Roscommon-Galway draw and Derry win were good results for Monaghan also. It's probably fair to say that some of the fringe lads are in danger of being passed out by the new lads. O'Toole, Loughran, and Garland are struggling to convince just now but have been busting a gut at the same time. Garland in particular looks like he need to just go out and bag 1-3 to win a game and he could take off. He is needed as an option so I hope Vinny persists and gets him over the line. To be fair, O'Hanlon and Gary Mohan are growing with every game, Lavelle is suddenly a serious option at full back and Hamill, McNulty and Jason Irwin do not look over-awed. Mooney is promising too. What's the story with young McPhilips? He could be a more solid defensive option than O'Toole. Keep it up lads. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1058 - 04/02/2024 19:38:52 2524323 Link