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Our 17s lost all three matches, two of them comprehensively, you suggested that they under performed and that great things were expected of this group. Based on beating a Dublin selection last year?? What other basis did we expect great things? They were well below the standard of other teams in the championship and had everyone available in the county. We were also small compared to other teams. S and C since Oct won't change that much. In relation to other comments that our 20s could be competing for last 3 years for All Ireland's and therefore the 2021 group are now 22 years old and yet strangely barely one of them making starting senior team?? That makes no sense. Who are these potential all Ireland winners? Name them? Otherwise argument is just bluster Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1489 - 28/04/2023 17:50:01 2474434 Link 1 |
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Hard Luck to the Lads it was close im sure their clubs will be delighted to have them back for the leagues etc . On the changing of management that some mentioned It was Coralstown/kinnegad who won back to back u19 championship yet there was very few players on the u20s panel since they Won the last two years . Unlike the senior westmeath panel they have alot over the years from St Lomans the senior champions for numerous years . Your Club is the most important to most players as its a more realistic chance of Winning something at the end of the day and it's with your pals you have played with all the way up since kids you are picked on your skills and ability. Roll on the Championship
Bettyboo22 (Westmeath) - Posts: 108 - 28/04/2023 19:13:40 2474441 Link 0 |
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I certainly haven't suggested letting them off for 3 years, I suggest setting them up with s&c programs and getting the best onto next years 20s and developing them over the next 3 years. I agree on the box ticking. Are the best people being headhunted for these roles, the answer is probably no and that's reflected in the performances.
TigerWoods90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 142 - 29/04/2023 11:32:31 2474490 Link 0 |
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You obviously feel very strong that this was the maximum that group could have achieved. If so, we can agree to disagree once again. In my opinion there was very little structure to their play, the team was juggled around for each game, players played in multiple positions, 3 players went to rugby trials the day of a Leinster championship game. So I feel the setup wasn't good enough. I'm not saying that they should be winning the all Ireland but I'm saying we should be competing much better than we have. Are the county board actually funding these management teams to provide s&c etc., I would say probably not. Is there any plan in place for those 17 year olds to develop into better county players over the next 3 years? Again, probably not. So essentially it's down to the clubs to try and provide the best environment for them to improve to a competitive intercounty level. But letting each age group just drift by is exactly why we are being passed by what we would have traditionally called weaker counties. TigerWoods90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 142 - 29/04/2023 11:42:26 2474492 Link 0 |
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Never expected nor thought they should be winning an all ireland but if you look at the talent available to these teams along with how they were knocked out each year I feel like they should've done better then they did, 2 years ago losing narrowly to Offaly who won the the all ireland that year, they had the beating of Dublin in Parnell Park last year but collapsed and this year a mixture of injuries along with other factors. Also playing Senior county is a full time commitment that not everyone had the time for. Also most lads between 19 and 22 would be in college making travelling back 2 or 3 times a week to train unpractical
Midlandsman (Westmeath) - Posts: 20 - 29/04/2023 15:10:51 2474529 Link 1 |
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Any good coach or manager worth their salt is getting paid to coach a club team so you're left with what's left after that.
Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 176 - 29/04/2023 19:56:19 2474564 Link 0 |
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I'd agree that it's surprising to not see some of the better u20's over the last few years not feature/be involved at all at senior. Hard to know what the story is. Lakecounty94 (Westmeath) - Posts: 58 - 29/04/2023 23:21:17 2474629 Link 1 |
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You'd have to wonder how many lads on here actually go to games , some of the comments regarding young players in the county are so far off it's unreal Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 232 - 30/04/2023 12:46:04 2474693 Link 1 |
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What's wrong with what he posted? Surely those lads he mentioned are potential future seniors? Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1489 - 30/04/2023 13:57:28 2474703 Link 0 |
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In fact chick if those lads he mentioned don't make county seniors in the next couple of years them we're in bother, each of those lads played very well for the 20s and for their clubs last year. I'd add the Kinnegad pair of Brian Cooney and Podge Quinn and The Downs have lads who played on the county under 20 hurling team like Josh Murtagh, Oisin Loughlin and young Lynam from Joseph's is a fine keeper. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1489 - 30/04/2023 15:49:23 2474721 Link 0 |
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You just proved my point
Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 232 - 30/04/2023 17:59:29 2474757 Link 1 |
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Try to answer the question asked chick. At least one or two clearly you disagree with on that list, who do you not rate of those lads? Why? Who else deserves to be considered? Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1489 - 30/04/2023 19:04:15 2474786 Link 0 |
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All Ireland draw is today at 1PM Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 386 - 02/05/2023 10:24:07 2474955 Link 0 |
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we have the worst draw galway tyrone and either armagh or derry
mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1801 - 02/05/2023 14:40:26 2475103 Link 0 |
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At least a full house for visit of Galway
Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 02/05/2023 14:52:55 2475110 Link 0 |
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Extremley tough group.. dessie has his work cut out for himself. It was always going to come down to beating the provincial losers to get out of group. We just happen to get the best provincial loser. Could be a tough way for some players to end careers but on we go
Upforthegame23 (Westmeath) - Posts: 81 - 02/05/2023 16:07:16 2475161 Link 0 |
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Nightmare draw, needed momentum of leinster final place to make any impact in all ireland series. I know it's going over old ground but the Louth game was so damaging it can't be underestimated. Bottom line is that Louth, Roscommon have gone about things right way with long term plan, westmeath with a make it up as ya go along plan. Real worry is for westmeath football beyond this year, cud a new management coax some of the more experienced players to remain and is there some youth to add in.. Bigger question again is whether there is the funds or the will at top level to go for an experienced manager.. Dessie a legend but board made a mess of things and need to hold their hands up philbrown (Westmeath) - Posts: 228 - 02/05/2023 18:46:04 2475236 Link 0 |
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I really took to Westmeath last year and really enjoyed the Tailteann Cup final vs Cavan in Croke Park. Me and the brother went in to watch it before our semi-final with Galway and it was a great spectacle. I fully expected Westmeath to kick on this year but ye were really disappointing in the league. I wouldn't fancy a trip to Mullingar all the same first day out. It would be a tricky one although we would still feel that we should win with a bit to spare.
Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 156 - 02/05/2023 19:44:20 2475242 Link 0 |
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Going to be extremely difficult to progress from this tough group but im sure Dessie and his squad will give it a good go.Problem is do you build for the future now and introduce some of the younger lads or stick with the older lads-some of whom may decide to retire from inter county at the end of this championship.Against the opposition we have been drawn with we definately need experience but when is the right time introduce new faces-wait until next year div 3 and stick with them-Scahill was excellant all thru the league but wasnt used against Louth-to me he should be a pernament fixture but was youth the reason for his no show?? Bruno@1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 165 - 03/05/2023 11:31:33 2475361 Link 0 |
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Reality is we need to start planning for future, we're not going to be in next year's Sam Maguire bar an unlikely draw in Leinster, will be minimum of two years before we qualify by finishing in top 5-6 in div 2 of league, we finished 21st this year, hard to see us finishing 14th in two years time. That means the core central group like Kevin Mag, Kieran Mart, Jason, John H, Jimmy D and possibly others will be well into autumn of inter county careers, these lads backboned Leinster under 21 side in 2010, 34-35 years old by 2025 with exception of John H. 7-8 of this year's under 20s need to be blooded, Sam Smyth in defence, Danny Scahill, Dillon Murtagh, Matt Whittaker when fit, Danny McCartan, Briain Cooney, Definitely brought on to senior panel immediately and tried, will be difficult but beneficial long term. Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1489 - 03/05/2023 14:01:03 2475418 Link 0 |