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Replying To Fionn: "He is 5ft 11 and with the new rules for kick outs that is no longer adequate for a midfielder. Brian is a super player, reads the game well and can field - but if I was Dessie I would have tried Sean in there in the run up to now. I know he was injured for the Meath game but he is built like a tank and has the height. Even CK will his fielding ability.... Once Fento called it a day - the midfield was always going to be a problem. After the Meath game surely Dessie now needs to fix it - but he should have known before that game imo." We all know both Lahiff and POCB are nowhere near intercounty standard so how we have let ourselves into this situation is baffling. I'd rather he moved a few around and stuck Howard and KK in there even and rotate with Bugler. As it stands if either of last week's midfielders are being relied upon for the upcoming games then we are in bother. I'm not sure I can see a hammering on the cards though. IF and its a big IF we can regroup after last weekend and get our best 15 onto the field then I still think we can cause anyone bother. However at the moment the fear factor has well and truly gone but you'd hope amongst the more senior fellas in the squad that they are seriously hurting now and will get things moving in the right direction. TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 223 - 30/04/2025 12:05:04 2605638 Link
Truly good managers integrate new players into their team when they are winning… this didn't happen with Dublin as he held onto or was too loyal to some players for too long… He is now trying to put square pegs into round holes and is being found out…! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3784 - 30/04/2025 12:07:19 2605639 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Killarney is wonderful place for a holiday, and an excellent venue - but not to see this skeleton of a Dublin team get obliterated by a very strong all Ireland contending kerry team... There is a hammering on the cards this year for the Dubs, and I would much rather a different team inflict that on us tbh. There is sunshine, craic, mountains etc in Mayo, Galway and Donegal also. Let it be there instead. ;o)" Yes Fionn there is sunshine everywhere but not with views qnd pubs so close to stadium.I get your feelongs but if Dubs have Bugler back its a different game.In fact I just read earlier that Bugler says he will be back in days and he confident Dublin can take a big scalp in the championship. Kerry are good but they can bw beaten too.Anyway hopefully the 4 groups provide some entertainment cos with 3 teams out of 4 qualifying its needed. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3877 - 30/04/2025 12:22:57 2605642 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Truly good managers integrate new players into their team when they are winning… this didn't happen with Dublin as he held onto or was too loyal to some players for too long… He is now trying to put square pegs into round holes and is being found out…!" Nail on the head right there...! Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4181 - 30/04/2025 12:25:03 2605643 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "That would be some occasion User.I know im biased but a big game in Killarney on a sunny day is bliss.The Cork fans love Killarney.The pitch is so close to the pubs its magic.A huge tourist town,music in the pubs and people drinking on the streets soaking up the athmosphere.I ve had glorious days days v Cork and indeed Mayo and Tyrone aswell as great Munster hurling games.It would be the icing on the cake for a Dubs v Kerry Killarney show in the Sun.The town would be rocking and the stadium would be some craic tool." Great venue but good luck with the sunny day, the wettest county ground in the country, highest annual rainfall in the country. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 875 - 30/04/2025 12:34:18 2605647 Link
Replying To TrueBlue35: "We all know both Lahiff and POCB are nowhere near intercounty standard so how we have let ourselves into this situation is baffling. I'd rather he moved a few around and stuck Howard and KK in there even and rotate with Bugler. As it stands if either of last week's midfielders are being relied upon for the upcoming games then we are in bother. I'm not sure I can see a hammering on the cards though. IF and its a big IF we can regroup after last weekend and get our best 15 onto the field then I still think we can cause anyone bother. However at the moment the fear factor has well and truly gone but you'd hope amongst the more senior fellas in the squad that they are seriously hurting now and will get things moving in the right direction." I knew that, you knew that, all Dublin fans knew that, any manager worth their salt knew that. And I know for a fact Robbie Brennan and the Meath lads knew that also. Baffling is one word to describe it.... I have a few others..... ;o( How many Dublin kickouts did Meath win.... a blind man could see what was going to happen. Where was Plan B..? And that is down to those on the line. They had plenty of time to have prepared for this. Remember, this is a mid table Div 2 team - what on earth would Galway, Donegal or Kerry to to our midfield.... How anyone can say Dublin are still title contenders is beyond me tbh. We are miles off it. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4181 - 30/04/2025 12:53:27 2605657 Link
Replying To Fionn: "Killarney is wonderful place for a holiday, and an excellent venue - but not to see this skeleton of a Dublin team get obliterated by a very strong all Ireland contending kerry team... There is a hammering on the cards this year for the Dubs, and I would much rather a different team inflict that on us tbh. There is sunshine, craic, mountains etc in Mayo, Galway and Donegal also. Let it be there instead. ;o)" As they say be careful what you wish for.You got yours Fionn but what a tough group. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3877 - 30/04/2025 13:59:02 2605679 Link
Replying To Fionn: "I knew that, you knew that, all Dublin fans knew that, any manager worth their salt knew that. And I know for a fact Robbie Brennan and the Meath lads knew that also. Baffling is one word to describe it.... I have a few others..... ;o( How many Dublin kickouts did Meath win.... a blind man could see what was going to happen. Where was Plan B..? And that is down to those on the line. They had plenty of time to have prepared for this. Remember, this is a mid table Div 2 team - what on earth would Galway, Donegal or Kerry to to our midfield.... How anyone can say Dublin are still title contenders is beyond me tbh. We are miles off it." To be honest I have never really warmed to Dessie. I feel he was lucky enough to get up and running with the Covid All Ireland, we made a balls of things in both '21 & '22 although if we'd Con in the latter semi final it might have been a different story. '23 I've heard but not sure how true it is that Gilroy was calling most of the shots. And last year is not worth talking about at all. Don't want to sound too greedy but the players he's had at his disposal over that time he should have won more in my opinion. And unless our favourite waterboy reappears this year then I don't think we're at much either especially seeing the group we've just got! TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 223 - 30/04/2025 14:10:17 2605685 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Truly good managers integrate new players into their team when they are winning… this didn't happen with Dublin as he held onto or was too loyal to some players for too long… He is now trying to put square pegs into round holes and is being found out…!" To be fair we lived through an era of just that, i can count at least 3/4 underage teams that fed into the 2011 squad and let to almost a decade and half of unprecedented success. We were very blessed to have those players. Im not sure we will see the moons align like they did for decades or ever again if im honest. Im not a huge a huge Dessie fan (never have been), but i know he has been playing with a lighter deck then in the last few years, the 23 title was the last dance really. There isnt the quality to replace whats left. When you scale never before reached heights the fall is big. Its inevitable really and we have to embrace it. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4507 - 30/04/2025 14:11:11 2605687 Link
Great draw - actually delighted its a tough group. The Very Thing! TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4507 - 30/04/2025 14:47:15 2605712 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Great draw - actually delighted its a tough group. The Very Thing!" Yep totally agree. If we can't qualify out of that group (only 1 gets eliminated) then we've no business being in the knockout stages anyway. TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 223 - 30/04/2025 14:49:37 2605715 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Great draw - actually delighted its a tough group. The Very Thing!" Yep - happy with that group tbh. Group 4: Galway/Mayo winner, Armagh/Donegal loser, Dublin, Derry A trip to lovely Galway, Donegal and Derry I reckon. Now we will see what Dessie is made of.... ;o) This is some handy group though...: Group 3 Louth/Meath winner, Kerry/Clare loser, Monaghan, Down Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4181 - 30/04/2025 14:55:56 2605718 Link
Replying To TrueBlue35: "To be honest I have never really warmed to Dessie. I feel he was lucky enough to get up and running with the Covid All Ireland, we made a balls of things in both '21 & '22 although if we'd Con in the latter semi final it might have been a different story. '23 I've heard but not sure how true it is that Gilroy was calling most of the shots. And last year is not worth talking about at all. Don't want to sound too greedy but the players he's had at his disposal over that time he should have won more in my opinion. And unless our favourite waterboy reappears this year then I don't think we're at much either especially seeing the group we've just got!" Yep the 2020, anyone could have coached that great team to Sam. It was Pat would called the shots in 2023. I was told the exact same. One last hurrah. What a year and what a final. Such outpouring of emotion. I will never forget it. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4181 - 30/04/2025 14:59:09 2605721 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "To be fair we lived through an era of just that, i can count at least 3/4 underage teams that fed into the 2011 squad and let to almost a decade and half of unprecedented success. We were very blessed to have those players. Im not sure we will see the moons align like they did for decades or ever again if im honest. Im not a huge a huge Dessie fan (never have been), but i know he has been playing with a lighter deck then in the last few years, the 23 title was the last dance really. There isnt the quality to replace whats left. When you scale never before reached heights the fall is big. Its inevitable really and we have to embrace it." We will NEVER see the like again tbh. Those moons aligning wont be repeated. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4181 - 30/04/2025 15:01:15 2605724 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "As they say be careful what you wish for.You got yours Fionn but what a tough group." That draw is exactly the kick up the ** the Dublin players and management deserved. No sympathy from me that is for sure. it will be a short season this year for us, and no harm in that. Looking forward to a full Dublin reset then...! Fionn (Dublin)** - Posts: 4181 - 30/04/2025 15:12:47 2605731 Link
Ok so we have:- Connacht winners Away - wkend 17th May - most likely Galway Ulster losing finalist Home - June Bank H'day - I reckon Donegal Derry Neutral - wkend 15th June - probably Breffni Pk. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4181 - 30/04/2025 19:03:23 2605837 Link