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Finals And Extra Time.

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My understanding was always that a drawn final in normal time went to a replay, so how did the Dublin Hurling final last night go to extra time?
Tipp final was a draw game today and goes to a replay.
Anybody know the reason for this?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 14/11/2021 17:07:46    2389392

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Replying To Bon:  "My understanding was always that a drawn final in normal time went to a replay, so how did the Dublin Hurling final last night go to extra time?
Tipp final was a draw game today and goes to a replay.
Anybody know the reason for this?"
I am just as confused as you on that one Bon.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 14/11/2021 17:31:57    2389397

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It's up to the individual County Boards and competitions committees to decide. There's no one over-riding rule to say you can't have extra time in a final.

For example, Wexford football finals today (senior & intermediate) would have had extra time if required. But if still level after extra time, they would have gone to replay rather than penalties.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 14/11/2021 18:15:08    2389407

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "I am just as confused as you on that one Bon."
It's up to the individual county boards it not rocket science lads.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 845 - 14/11/2021 18:37:01    2389414

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I'd imagine Na Fianna are sorry DCB decided on extra time!

I don't think anyone would have objected to a replay. There was little chance they were going to regroup after the stunning collapse,

There's a gap of two weeks to the provincial games so could have replayed next weekend.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2521 - 14/11/2021 20:20:00    2389437

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Replying To RHF:  "It's up to the individual county boards it not rocket science lads."
Ya up to individual county boards what way they want to do it, if there is time for a replay fair enough I suppose.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 14/11/2021 21:38:49    2389455

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Madness that the Tipp one didnt go to extra time considering the replay cant be played now for two weeks. It all means that Loughmore essentially have 5 senior finals in 2 years with two of them finishing in a draw in Normal time and the other being lost in injury time by a point after coming back from 6 points down. They could have easily lost yesterday had a last min free for Thurles been rightly given but not many outside of Thurles will begrudge them.

What a way for Ronan Hayes to redeem himself on Saturday, after penalty miss but especially the point miss when time was up. Crazy to go for the point with time up and then it was easier score than miss it but he showed some character to do what he done from then on.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 15/11/2021 08:57:49    2389467

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Was there not an incident in recent years (in Antrim IIRC) where a game went to extra time and then to a shootout, but the county chairman stepped in mid shootout and demanded it be stopped before declaring the game would go to a replay instead?

So even if the rules are set out they can change on the day!

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 15/11/2021 09:38:15    2389474

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Was there not an incident in recent years (in Antrim IIRC) where a game went to extra time and then to a shootout, but the county chairman stepped in mid shootout and demanded it be stopped before declaring the game would go to a replay instead?

So even if the rules are set out they can change on the day!"
Ya a lot of replays is probably a money thing, the gaa love the old replay but sometimes it's the right thing to do, i don't agree with penalties although I don't mind them in soccer tournaments.

I hope they don't charge full pice for the replay.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/11/2021 11:08:15    2389500

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Was there not an incident in recent years (in Antrim IIRC) where a game went to extra time and then to a shootout, but the county chairman stepped in mid shootout and demanded it be stopped before declaring the game would go to a replay instead?

So even if the rules are set out they can change on the day!"
It was a semi-final that had already gone to a reply, and the shootout had already started, with the Chairman then stepping in as it was about to go to sudden death:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/antrim-county-board-chairman-explains-decision-to-halt-semi-final-during-free-kick-shoot-out-38539964.html
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Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 15/11/2021 11:10:32    2389502

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Was there not an incident in recent years (in Antrim IIRC) where a game went to extra time and then to a shootout, but the county chairman stepped in mid shootout and demanded it be stopped before declaring the game would go to a replay instead?

So even if the rules are set out they can change on the day!"
To be fair to the Antrim Chairman he discussed it with the clubs before making what was considered the common sense decision. Antrim ran into bother again this year when 2 clubs and the referee agreed to play a 2nd period of extra time instead of going to penalties, and then the beaten team objected afterwards.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 15/11/2021 11:20:50    2389507

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Replying To RHF:  "It's up to the individual county boards it not rocket science lads."
That's fine, but it's not applied uniformly, including Offaly and Cavan SFC Finals. Could it be stated to both finalists in advance, that extra time will be played, unless there are factors such as light, which affect games at this time of year. I didn't know extra time was an option until RHF explained it is a matter for county boards to decide.
I would like to see greater clarity on county final replays.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 15/11/2021 17:32:13    2389561

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teams are always told in advance as their CCC has to ratify competition rules prior to starting. Referees or chairman cant just decide on the day if they will adhere to same. If they don't then game is technically abandoned due to bad light or dangerous conditions for example and then automatically ccc will kick in. If it is contrary to the rules for instant a ref not using penalties and say using additional extra time then game is technically not finished as per rules and any objection can cause replay even if result was never in doubt. it must be black or white

DeMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 115 - 18/11/2021 15:55:10    2389901

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Don't know about anywhere else, but here in Wexford, official fixtures notice sent by Co. Board to clubs always includes the stipulation for extra time, penalties, and replays:-

'WINNER ON THE DAY' REGULATIONS APPLY TO ALL QFs, SFs AND RELEGATION SF
IN THE EVENT OF A DRAW IN ALL FINALS AND RELEGATION FINALS, EXTRA TIME WILL BE PLAYED FOLLOWED BY A REPLAY IF STILL LEVEL.

Sorry about all the caps! It's a straight copy & paste from how it's sent out.

What happened in Antrim that time was an outlier, in that the Chairman decided on the night that it was in order to consult with both teams on whether to go back on what had already been decided by the county's CCC.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 18/11/2021 16:25:37    2389907

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Oh, and in terms of "factors such as light", surely it's up to the county's fixtures people to simply fix the matches for the appropriate times, instead of running into possible problems with darkness.

Another example from here in Wexford is how county intermediate and senior football finals last Sunday were fixed for 12.15 p.m. and 2.15 p.m., in case extra time was needed in one or both of them. Typical times for a Sunday afternoon double-header earlier in the year would have been 2 p.m. and 4 p.m.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 18/11/2021 16:28:12    2389908

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Oh, and in terms of "factors such as light", surely it's up to the county's fixtures people to simply fix the matches for the appropriate times, instead of running into possible problems with darkness.

Another example from here in Wexford is how county intermediate and senior football finals last Sunday were fixed for 12.15 p.m. and 2.15 p.m., in case extra time was needed in one or both of them. Typical times for a Sunday afternoon double-header earlier in the year would have been 2 p.m. and 4 p.m."
Fixtures at this time of year have an earlier start time than usual. Sunday's SHC Final is fixed for 2 pm.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 19/11/2021 13:07:55    2389980

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Fixtures at this time of year have an earlier start time than usual. Sunday's SHC Final is fixed for 2 pm."
Exactly. You were the one who suggested that extra time might become impossible due to "factors such as light". I was pointing out that simply having earlier throw-in times would remove the risk of that. Now it seems you knew that all along, so not sure why you said that in the first place anyway. But at least you agree with me.....

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 19/11/2021 15:10:17    2390004

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