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Ringtown, Delvin and a cautious nod to Castletown for me this weekend. Hopefully 3 good games ! What to ye all have ?!

puglerdaly (Westmeath) - Posts: 117 - 26/09/2022 17:47:03    2441964

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Replying To puglerdaly:  "Ringtown, Delvin and a cautious nod to Castletown for me this weekend. Hopefully 3 good games ! What to ye all have ?!"
On Saturday, Ringtown in the Intermediate and Delvin in Senior B. On Sunday, Castletown in the minor and I think the Senior A will end in a draw between Castletown and Clonkill.
That's what I'm thinking at the moment but county finals take on a life of their own.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 465 - 27/09/2022 08:37:26    2441977

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Replying To Dheen:  "On Saturday, Ringtown in the Intermediate and Delvin in Senior B. On Sunday, Castletown in the minor and I think the Senior A will end in a draw between Castletown and Clonkill.
That's what I'm thinking at the moment but county finals take on a life of their own."
I'm inclined to agree with the above calls. Just have a sneaky suspicion that Clonkill is slightly more streetwise. Very little between them but I'd be surprised if there's a clear winner.

In CTG favour they've had a more testing route to the final and maybe more battle ready. Whereas Clonkill are rested and fresh-legged. You can argue the opposite that Clonkill's dual men are still pushing hard with the downs vs CTG dual lads are solely focused on the small ball. Should be a great battle.

Fingers crossed the weather doesn't deteriorate and all the teams get to showcase their skills over the weekend. You can't beat the county final day!

gedupoutofit (Westmeath) - Posts: 155 - 27/09/2022 12:22:04    2442022

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Replying To gedupoutofit:  "I'm inclined to agree with the above calls. Just have a sneaky suspicion that Clonkill is slightly more streetwise. Very little between them but I'd be surprised if there's a clear winner.

In CTG favour they've had a more testing route to the final and maybe more battle ready. Whereas Clonkill are rested and fresh-legged. You can argue the opposite that Clonkill's dual men are still pushing hard with the downs vs CTG dual lads are solely focused on the small ball. Should be a great battle.

Fingers crossed the weather doesn't deteriorate and all the teams get to showcase their skills over the weekend. You can't beat the county final day!"
Ringtown Delvin and Clonkill for me. It is important Ringtown a proud and important club gets back to Senior B.Father Daltons are doing great work but for me Delvin with Clinton,Murphy,Coll ,Kelly ,Clune and the Ennis brothers will have too much.I would love to see Castletown win but cant see it just think Clonkill especially with a likely bad day will bully them.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1118 - 29/09/2022 12:08:55    2442224

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Replying To jobber:  "Ringtown Delvin and Clonkill for me. It is important Ringtown a proud and important club gets back to Senior B.Father Daltons are doing great work but for me Delvin with Clinton,Murphy,Coll ,Kelly ,Clune and the Ennis brothers will have too much.I would love to see Castletown win but cant see it just think Clonkill especially with a likely bad day will bully them."
Just curious to know what you think makes a club important?

A_Chairde (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 29/09/2022 13:26:35    2442232

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Replying To jobber:  "Ringtown Delvin and Clonkill for me. It is important Ringtown a proud and important club gets back to Senior B.Father Daltons are doing great work but for me Delvin with Clinton,Murphy,Coll ,Kelly ,Clune and the Ennis brothers will have too much.I would love to see Castletown win but cant see it just think Clonkill especially with a likely bad day will bully them."
Ringtown very reliant on 3/4 players. They run the ball too much. If they are stopped, cannot see them winning.
Fr Dalton's will be well able to put it up to Delvin. Would actually be good for club hurling in the county for them to win.
Hopefully CTG win senior - change is always good.
It is a pity there isn't a non senior A club in the minor final. it doesn't bode well for the county that the same few clubs keep contesting minor finals.

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1867 - 29/09/2022 20:47:49    2442275

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Replying To A_Chairde:  "Just curious to know what you think makes a club important?"
It's not that the club itself is more "important" or has a strong tradition, more to do with the overall health of hurling in the county. If they can account for a 2nd string Raharney and get promoted it's better for all Westmeath Gaels IMO. I have no ill feeling towards Raharney, their club and setup are the standards all clubs should be striving for. Some great people are involved there.

Ringtown struggle for numbers underage, just like their neighbours Crookedwood. Pollard encroaches on their catchment area too. St Vincent's amalgamation between Ringtown/Crookedwood is very important to both clubs. It reduces the chances of players being nipped by other clubs and also should provide a better standard of competition as they go through the age grades. Digressing slightly but there is definitely an argument that Crookewood/Multy should have a stronger relationship (I'm an outsider so there may well be something there). Multy always seems to have better numbers.

Without the amalgamations, you'd see the likes of Ringtown, Crookedwood, Brigids, Brownstown and Turin nudge towards extinction despite being in traditional hurling areas. It's very hard to get help/volunteers and the number of kids being born in the countryside is quite low. You could argue the other way that we have lots of football clubs but most are based to the south of the county with that football tradition.

Regardless of the outcome of the IHC final. Ringtown won't disappear overnight but I'll be willing them on to victory for the survival of their club and the betterment of hurling in the county.

gedupoutofit (Westmeath) - Posts: 155 - 30/09/2022 09:28:58    2442289

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Replying To gedupoutofit:  "It's not that the club itself is more "important" or has a strong tradition, more to do with the overall health of hurling in the county. If they can account for a 2nd string Raharney and get promoted it's better for all Westmeath Gaels IMO. I have no ill feeling towards Raharney, their club and setup are the standards all clubs should be striving for. Some great people are involved there.

Ringtown struggle for numbers underage, just like their neighbours Crookedwood. Pollard encroaches on their catchment area too. St Vincent's amalgamation between Ringtown/Crookedwood is very important to both clubs. It reduces the chances of players being nipped by other clubs and also should provide a better standard of competition as they go through the age grades. Digressing slightly but there is definitely an argument that Crookewood/Multy should have a stronger relationship (I'm an outsider so there may well be something there). Multy always seems to have better numbers.

Without the amalgamations, you'd see the likes of Ringtown, Crookedwood, Brigids, Brownstown and Turin nudge towards extinction despite being in traditional hurling areas. It's very hard to get help/volunteers and the number of kids being born in the countryside is quite low. You could argue the other way that we have lots of football clubs but most are based to the south of the county with that football tradition.

Regardless of the outcome of the IHC final. Ringtown won't disappear overnight but I'll be willing them on to victory for the survival of their club and the betterment of hurling in the county."
Yeah I agree fully, hopefully Ringtown can get the win tomorrow and move up to Senior B. They have some good young hurlers too, Mark Cunningham and Luke Moore are very talented players.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 465 - 30/09/2022 10:13:18    2442294

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Replying To valley84:  "Ringtown very reliant on 3/4 players. They run the ball too much. If they are stopped, cannot see them winning.
Fr Dalton's will be well able to put it up to Delvin. Would actually be good for club hurling in the county for them to win.
Hopefully CTG win senior - change is always good.
It is a pity there isn't a non senior A club in the minor final. it doesn't bode well for the county that the same few clubs keep contesting minor finals."
Tbf, the long-term dominance of big clubs in minor premier isn't going to change. They have the numbers and that obviously feeds the conveyor belt through to the senior level.

I thought that some existing amalgamations might start making a meaningful dent but historically they don't seem to last. St Earnans (Delvin/Brownstown) looked to be challenging that a few years and won the Div1 feile too before they split up.

Keeping all the existing clubs alive and trying to get more kids from schools into teams at a young age should be high up on the strategy of the county board plans every single year. Just the same as the development pathway/programmes for underage county squads. If our number of clubs and playing numbers decline, then our county teams can never be better than where they are right now.

gedupoutofit (Westmeath) - Posts: 155 - 30/09/2022 11:29:51    2442302

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Is there any substance to the rumour that officials from LLG and Turin have had firm discussions about extending the Na Piarsaigh amalgamation right the way up to adult level. Not sure if this would be a good or bad thing in the grander scheme of things, it would certainly make a right competitive side out of two ailing teams and could possibly compete for a senior championship, but it would mean one club less in the county overall and a huge break from tradition… Would the county board even approve such an application?

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 190 - 30/09/2022 12:19:00    2442310

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Raharney to win the 3rd tier championship

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 190 - 30/09/2022 12:19:49    2442311

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Castletown will catch Clonkill out on Sunday, they will
be hardened after the more competitive run in. Clonkill were qualified after 3 rounds, played 2 dead rubbers and had no semi final which is effectively 8 weeks since their last tough championship game and their 3rd round wasn't even that tough! Castletown however, because of a slow start, have had 3 recent knock out games that will surely stand to them.

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 190 - 30/09/2022 12:37:25    2442312

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Castletown will catch Clonkill out on Sunday, they will
be hardened after the more competitive run in. Clonkill were qualified after 3 rounds, played 2 dead rubbers and had no semi final which is effectively 8 weeks since their last tough championship game and their 3rd round wasn't even that tough! Castletown however, because of a slow start, have had 3 recent knock out games that will surely stand to them.

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 190 - 30/09/2022 12:37:45    2442313

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Delvin's forwards will get them over the line but it will be a very tight match.

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 190 - 30/09/2022 12:39:39    2442314

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Replying To CleanShoulder:  "Is there any substance to the rumour that officials from LLG and Turin have had firm discussions about extending the Na Piarsaigh amalgamation right the way up to adult level. Not sure if this would be a good or bad thing in the grander scheme of things, it would certainly make a right competitive side out of two ailing teams and could possibly compete for a senior championship, but it would mean one club less in the county overall and a huge break from tradition… Would the county board even approve such an application?"
I'd be surprised if that's true, but you never know. The county board should be looking at growing hurling in the county, I couldn't see them approving that proposal as it would mean a club less in the county. The issue is too many of our hurling clubs are in one part of the county and are on top of each other, picking from the same areas. Hurling needs to be grown in the likes of Kinnegad and Moate, why not try start underage clubs in these areas and see how they go, I'm sure there would be interest locally.
I know the two towns I mentioned are football areas but I'm sure there are young lads in these towns that may take better to the small ball if it was available to them.
Just a thought.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 465 - 30/09/2022 14:06:54    2442325

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Zero chance of that happening in terms of developing hurling in Moate or Kilbeggan. Who would organise, train teams? Kilbeggan is a bit of a wilderness at underage football at moment, very poor year for them.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 864 - 30/09/2022 15:07:19    2442330

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Replying To CleanShoulder:  "Is there any substance to the rumour that officials from LLG and Turin have had firm discussions about extending the Na Piarsaigh amalgamation right the way up to adult level. Not sure if this would be a good or bad thing in the grander scheme of things, it would certainly make a right competitive side out of two ailing teams and could possibly compete for a senior championship, but it would mean one club less in the county overall and a huge break from tradition… Would the county board even approve such an application?"
I have also heard that and that this is looking like something which may happen sooner than we think, both clubs want it and just up to the county board now

Bunbros11 (Westmeath) - Posts: 67 - 30/09/2022 15:31:01    2442337

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Replying To Bunbros11:  "I have also heard that and that this is looking like something which may happen sooner than we think, both clubs want it and just up to the county board now"
Are both clubs not fielding comfortably at adult level ? I think LLG fielded 2 adult teams in the championship this year - senior and intermediate ? Maybe the numbers are flattering to deceive. Whatever about linking up at underage to make sure lads get to play, not sure if it is justified yet at adult level for these 2 clubs but particularly the gaels. I suppose there's no chance of the likes of Delvin Ringtown or Brownstown entertaining a link up with Turin ?

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 1038 - 30/09/2022 15:51:55    2442340

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This sounds like an amalgamation purely to end the dominance at senior level of the big three clubs, hardly a reason to amalgamate.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 864 - 30/09/2022 17:06:48    2442347

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Replying To valley84:  "Ringtown very reliant on 3/4 players. They run the ball too much. If they are stopped, cannot see them winning.
Fr Dalton's will be well able to put it up to Delvin. Would actually be good for club hurling in the county for them to win.
Hopefully CTG win senior - change is always good.
It is a pity there isn't a non senior A club in the minor final. it doesn't bode well for the county that the same few clubs keep contesting minor finals."
Ringtown very reliant on 3/4 hurles??? I would definitely disagree with that after seeing some of there games this year, and the are playing a raharney team who are very reliant on 1 player who is 40 odd years of age. Why would it be good for club hurling in the county to see daltons win exactly?

Hurlingmad12 (Westmeath) - Posts: 16 - 30/09/2022 18:05:53    2442353

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