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Basically one player who played 15 mins against Meath for the hurlers. It's not feasible or even recommended for players to be attempting to play both codes beyond minor, demands and game schedules are too much, Sean Leech couldn't manage it, same players also playing either schools or colleges as well, player welfare has to be included at some stage, interesting that the Meath Chronicle this week reflects on the royal county having no dual players at even minor level this year. David O' Reilly not involved with footballers even though he'd be a cert to start.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1619 - 20/04/2024 23:38:29    2539417

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Replying To jobber:  "Cant tell you about other counties but you musnt have been at many under 20 Westmeath football or hurling matches as you would have seen Shane Ormsby playing both as i would suspect Conor Leech if he wasnt injured."
Conor Leech only on u20 hurling panel as far as I know. Think your right about Ormsby though, he came on in the second half

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 849 - 21/04/2024 01:20:48    2539424

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Basically one player who played 15 mins against Meath for the hurlers. It's not feasible or even recommended for players to be attempting to play both codes beyond minor, demands and game schedules are too much, Sean Leech couldn't manage it, same players also playing either schools or colleges as well, player welfare has to be included at some stage, interesting that the Meath Chronicle this week reflects on the royal county having no dual players at even minor level this year. David O' Reilly not involved with footballers even though he'd be a cert to start."
Thats the point i was making the GAA is crucifying small counties like ours that are genuinely dual where players like Leech,O Reilly and Ormsby who are wanted by everyone end up playing 60 to 70 games a year mostly due to disgraceful scheduling.If they were really interested in player welfare the under 20 hurlers would be playing on a senior football week and vicaversa.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1533 - 21/04/2024 09:16:54    2539458

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There are no dual players at under 20 level in virtually any county, big or small, that's not the fault of the people scheduling the fixtures, managers the ones to blame, it's impossible to commit to both codes beyond minor at inter county level, as I said earlier in lots of counties players choose at minor level whether football or hurling for county. It affects Dublin and Cork as much as Offaly and Laois.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1619 - 21/04/2024 09:56:04    2539473

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Killian Doyle will resume freetaking duties today but he'll know he'll have to be on his game with them with David Williams capable of taking back over at any time. Williams finished top scorer in Division 1.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 849 - 21/04/2024 09:57:34    2539474

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "There are no dual players at under 20 level in virtually any county, big or small, that's not the fault of the people scheduling the fixtures, managers the ones to blame, it's impossible to commit to both codes beyond minor at inter county level, as I said earlier in lots of counties players choose at minor level whether football or hurling for county. It affects Dublin and Cork as much as Offaly and Laois."
There are none so blind as those who will not see!
There are none so deaf ad those who will not hear!

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1533 - 21/04/2024 11:50:48    2539500

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Replying To jobber:  "Thats the point i was making the GAA is crucifying small counties like ours that are genuinely dual where players like Leech,O Reilly and Ormsby who are wanted by everyone end up playing 60 to 70 games a year mostly due to disgraceful scheduling.If they were really interested in player welfare the under 20 hurlers would be playing on a senior football week and vicaversa."
Personally I think the problems start in nursery/u8.
Coming up in the next few months are camogie / hurling blitzes u8 and u10 every Saturday followed by football the following Saturday.
Saturday morning is the traditional day for clubs to have training. It's difficult to coach kids when they are never there because they are playing matches.
In my area one of the clubs trains on a Friday evening which means the other one can't.
Players are being made choose from the very start. I know training can be moved around but it's tricky especially with the younger age groups to train week evenings.

Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 1021 - 21/04/2024 12:14:18    2539504

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Replying To Jack_Sparrow:  "Personally I think the problems start in nursery/u8.
Coming up in the next few months are camogie / hurling blitzes u8 and u10 every Saturday followed by football the following Saturday.
Saturday morning is the traditional day for clubs to have training. It's difficult to coach kids when they are never there because they are playing matches.
In my area one of the clubs trains on a Friday evening which means the other one can't.
Players are being made choose from the very start. I know training can be moved around but it's tricky especially with the younger age groups to train week evenings."
Totally agree.In Westmeath there is only 1 dual club Delvin so the lack of communication is a big reason for these issues

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1533 - 21/04/2024 13:05:55    2539516

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Extremely disappointing performance from the seniors losing against a poor Kerry side. Poor from start to finish and relying on u20s who played yesterday evening to change the game. Some of the experienced players didn't show up at all. You'd think after the great wins by the minors and u20s yesterday that we'd have something about us today. I sing the praises of these lads a lot but you have to be honest and say how it is, uphill from here on in. Couple of players started today who have been on the panel the last few years and haven't made any impact. Hopefully with some of these minors and u20s coming up, we'll see some of these players shifted on. Jobber was right when he said they can never lift their game at home against Kerry and the favourite tag never sits well.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 849 - 21/04/2024 15:41:29    2539537

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Some insult to Kerry to suggest they were poor, it's actually insulting to both sides. Kerry hurled really well, full value for their win, their work rate was a massive factor, obviously a disappointing display by our lads, pretty certain that only one forward scored during the entire game, 1-14 will probably win no game in this competition, Saturday next in Tullamore is almost certainly a knockout game for both sides, very difficult to qualify for the final with two defeats, Fortune will need a reaction.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1619 - 21/04/2024 16:45:39    2539550

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I knew there would be no easy games in this competitions. Very tough to qualify now. Laois were also on fire in division 2. Dont forget in the recent past Offaly operated in Division1 of the hurling league and ended up relagated from the Joe McDonagh. Write off any team at your pearl.

overdabar (Westmeath) - Posts: 243 - 21/04/2024 17:16:31    2539555

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Very poor start.

Considering Kerry are missing Shane Conway and about 5 or 6 of their best hurlers from 2023 it had to go down as a poor loss.

Kerry full value for their win though, there can be no complaints.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 783 - 21/04/2024 20:51:48    2539614

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Very poor start.

Considering Kerry are missing Shane Conway and about 5 or 6 of their best hurlers from 2023 it had to go down as a poor loss.

Kerry full value for their win though, there can be no complaints."
As I feared a fired up Kerry blew us away from the first minute till the last.They were worth every point of their win.But let us tell the truth.Any more performances like this and it will be Christy Ring not Liam Mccarthy we will be playing.
This was a performance of a team with no interest,no pride,gutless in fact an embarrassment.
Sorry to have to say these harsh words but apart from some of the backs not one player played to his ability.Why? Ok Kerry have to get credit but these midfielders and forwards need to show us a bit of courage next week not the rubbish we saw today.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1533 - 21/04/2024 21:15:25    2539622

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Some insult to Kerry to suggest they were poor, it's actually insulting to both sides. Kerry hurled really well, full value for their win, their work rate was a massive factor, obviously a disappointing display by our lads, pretty certain that only one forward scored during the entire game, 1-14 will probably win no game in this competition, Saturday next in Tullamore is almost certainly a knockout game for both sides, very difficult to qualify for the final with two defeats, Fortune will need a reaction."
The fact the u20s are out Sunday will do fortunes chances no favours either, no way they can play before the u20 is over

westmeathgaa11 (Westmeath) - Posts: 239 - 21/04/2024 23:28:51    2539659

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Replying To westmeathgaa11:  "The fact the u20s are out Sunday will do fortunes chances no favours either, no way they can play before the u20 is over"
The truth is they have to play Saturday or Offaly will beat us out the gate.What a mess management have to take some of the flak but there are players in that forward line who deserve a serious kick in the **** and if they dont start training properly the door.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1533 - 22/04/2024 08:42:31    2539694

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Replying To westmeathgaa11:  "The fact the u20s are out Sunday will do fortunes chances no favours either, no way they can play before the u20 is over"
u20s unavailable for next week's game vs Offaly? Might be no harm to let them focus on their own team.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 849 - 22/04/2024 08:59:14    2539698

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Replying To jobber:  "The truth is they have to play Saturday or Offaly will beat us out the gate.What a mess management have to take some of the flak but there are players in that forward line who deserve a serious kick in the **** and if they dont start training properly the door."
Have to agree Jobber, some of these lads have been on the panel for years without making any significant impact, we had no threat in the forward line until Williams, O'Reilly and Clarke came on and they had played a game the day before in the heat so understandably were tired, but the fact they came in and showed up better than some of the experienced players speaks volumes.
I'd personally leave them out of the game vs Offaly and let them focus on the Dublin game in the u20, it's a Leinster quarter final.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 849 - 22/04/2024 09:53:29    2539731

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Replying To Dheen:  "Have to agree Jobber, some of these lads have been on the panel for years without making any significant impact, we had no threat in the forward line until Williams, O'Reilly and Clarke came on and they had played a game the day before in the heat so understandably were tired, but the fact they came in and showed up better than some of the experienced players speaks volumes.
I'd personally leave them out of the game vs Offaly and let them focus on the Dublin game in the u20, it's a Leinster quarter final."
I agree but the consequences will be at best another year in Mcdonagh.Do you think the rabble we paid good money to see yesterday would win in Ballycran?

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1533 - 22/04/2024 10:17:37    2539747

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Replying To jobber:  "I agree but the consequences will be at best another year in Mcdonagh.Do you think the rabble we paid good money to see yesterday would win in Ballycran?"
Very true, a performance like that doesn't cut it in any Joe Mcdonagh game. It's going to be interesting to see what happens this weekend, no doubt Joe Fortune will be looking to play Williams, Clarke,O'Reilly, Gaffney and Holding on Saturday, as there's pressure on now.. but Kevin O'Brien will be fighting for them lads to be left out as he needs them fresh for Dublin the following day. I think they need to focus on their own age group. The minors and the u20s are the future of the game here and their development is important. The experienced senior lads need to step up vs Offaly, I'm sure there will be a reaction.. there has to be.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 849 - 22/04/2024 10:53:37    2539766

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Replying To Dheen:  "Very true, a performance like that doesn't cut it in any Joe Mcdonagh game. It's going to be interesting to see what happens this weekend, no doubt Joe Fortune will be looking to play Williams, Clarke,O'Reilly, Gaffney and Holding on Saturday, as there's pressure on now.. but Kevin O'Brien will be fighting for them lads to be left out as he needs them fresh for Dublin the following day. I think they need to focus on their own age group. The minors and the u20s are the future of the game here and their development is important. The experienced senior lads need to step up vs Offaly, I'm sure there will be a reaction.. there has to be."
I hope you are right but am not optimstic.We need forwards who can run and willing to compete physically

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1533 - 22/04/2024 11:29:30    2539786

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