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The mind boggles anotheralies. You challenge my argument by stating it is illogical? I drew a conclusion on the basis that Brendan's were de facto the best Junior club in the country and MB de facto were the worst in senior. They met in the intermediate championship and I deduced my opinion on the basis of the result. Fairly logical to me.

A junior team should not be beating a recently demoted senior team two grades apart. One can deduce from that event the respective standards are not far apart.

You base your arguement on a different sport mainly professional. I'm trying hard to see the connection .

padthepostman (Galway) - Posts: 150 - 27/10/2021 14:51:24    2387604

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Replying To padthepostman:  "The mind boggles anotheralies. You challenge my argument by stating it is illogical? I drew a conclusion on the basis that Brendan's were de facto the best Junior club in the country and MB de facto were the worst in senior. They met in the intermediate championship and I deduced my opinion on the basis of the result. Fairly logical to me.

A junior team should not be beating a recently demoted senior team two grades apart. One can deduce from that event the respective standards are not far apart.

You base your arguement on a different sport mainly professional. I'm trying hard to see the connection ."
I'll explain it a little better.

1. It is a well established fact that Intermediate in Galway is very competitive i.e. not much between the best team and the worst team.
2. It is reasonable to suggest that the Junior winners from the previous year are at least as good as the worst intermediate team.
3. It is reasonable to assume that the relegated senior team from the previous year is at least as bad as the best team in Intermediate.

Hence by swapping the 2 equivalences in 2 and 3 into statement 1 leads to a plausible conclusion that there is not much between the Junior winners and the relegated senior team from the previous year.

Don't get me wrong , I was surprised at the result too, but it wasn't a gigantic shock ( 2/1 in the bookmakers) , and it certainly is not an indicator ( good or bad) as to the state of Galway football.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 27/10/2021 16:08:29    2387624

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Corofin by 6
Moycullen by 1

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 27/10/2021 17:41:16    2387637

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Replying To padthepostman:  "The mind boggles anotheralies. You challenge my argument by stating it is illogical? I drew a conclusion on the basis that Brendan's were de facto the best Junior club in the country and MB de facto were the worst in senior. They met in the intermediate championship and I deduced my opinion on the basis of the result. Fairly logical to me.

A junior team should not be beating a recently demoted senior team two grades apart. One can deduce from that event the respective standards are not far apart.

You base your arguement on a different sport mainly professional. I'm trying hard to see the connection ."
A 'recently' demoted 'senior' team is not a Senior team.
A 'recently' promoted 'junior' team is not a Junior team.
Is that the piece of 'logic' that you are missing here?
Why are you calling Ballygar 'a junior team', when they're now competitive in the Intermediate grade?

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3419 - 27/10/2021 17:50:16    2387642

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Replying To Belclare:  "Hurling in this county has ruined us all.
Mountain South??
They're up now using Loughgeorge.
Against proposal B yet the footballers are in favour . Shows how little respect our football lads have.
Joyce will have some job working with whatever is left...."
Respect is earned and those players haven't earned it for a long, long time on performances.

TanCanRan (Galway) - Posts: 180 - 28/10/2021 09:50:00    2387673

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Was reading the Tuam Herald this week and David Connors article detailing the hiring process that led to Henry Shefflin. If 5% of the effort they put into this search was applied to reviewing the football management, the Three Amigos would have been removed a long time ago. Depressing
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FallenStar (Galway) - Posts: 414 - 28/10/2021 10:01:05    2387676

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Replying To TanCanRan:  "Respect is earned and those players haven't earned it for a long, long time on performances."
Thats not a great statement. You say the performances are poor so they deserve no respect , so we dont give them the environment for success, so they dont perform, so they deserve no respect.
Its a circle of mediocrity that has to be broken.
Besides , regardless of performances , all players do deserve respect.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 28/10/2021 11:36:33    2387693

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "A 'recently' demoted 'senior' team is not a Senior team.
A 'recently' promoted 'junior' team is not a Junior team.
Is that the piece of 'logic' that you are missing here?
Why are you calling Ballygar 'a junior team', when they're now competitive in the Intermediate grade?"
Exactly. MB and Ballygar are both intermediate teams this year. MB might have been senior last year, but that's almost an irrelevance as their recent form seemed to indicate they were on the slide.
They took a very heavy beating from Leitir Mór in the last group game and only scraped into the quarters after a late equaliser from Gabriel's against Headford.
As has been said, Intermediate is generally very competitive. A team with promotion aspirations can easily find themselves in a relegation battle, if a few tight games go the wrong way.
We have a strong and competitive intermediate championship in Galway. Apart from Oughterard winning the last club All-Ireland at the grade, An Spidéal won the Connacht title a few years ago, beating Belmullet along the way.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2039 - 28/10/2021 12:04:11    2387699

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Replying To FallenStar:  "Was reading the Tuam Herald this week and David Connors article detailing the hiring process that led to Henry Shefflin. If 5% of the effort they put into this search was applied to reviewing the football management, the Three Amigos would have been removed a long time ago. Depressing
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It's all-out the small ball with the county board..
They couldn't care less about football..

Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 904 - 28/10/2021 12:06:19    2387701

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Replying To TanCanRan:  "Respect is earned and those players haven't earned it for a long, long time on performances."
Absolute joke to say our football players don't deserve respect

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 28/10/2021 14:32:58    2387728

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Replying To TanCanRan:  "Respect is earned and those players haven't earned it for a long, long time on performances."
Stupid remark! Players give up so much of their lives to train and if picked, wear their county jersey. While we have read so much about the poor management structure that these players have had to endure and for those who have decided to carry on, will endure for another 12 months, it is admirable that they still continue. Get behind them...

hashtag2017 (Galway) - Posts: 173 - 28/10/2021 15:16:31    2387736

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Replying To galwayfball:  "Absolute joke to say our football players don't deserve respect"
100% agree. They put in a massive effort each year. They work extremely hard and put some much time into the cause. Sacrificing their personal lives to represent our county.
But have to say videos that emerged of a gig that our manager attended over the weekend leave a lot be desired. The example is set from the top.

galwaygoal (Galway) - Posts: 166 - 28/10/2021 15:35:19    2387739

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Ah Pooe for Christ sake excuse the pun but please stop the semantics.

Let me rephrase it then : Ballygsr who played junior football last year and are NOW intermediate beat MB recently who WERE a senior team last March last but are NOW an intermediate team.

Based on them arriving NOW at intermediate grade from different divisions, MB from the upper and Ballygar from the lower one could reasonably assume that MB should have beaten Ballygar who were short there star player

This did not materialise with Ballygar the Victor's fairplay to them. Through extension would could also reasonably infer that gap between standards in Junior and senior is not as great as people wish to believe.

padthepostman (Galway) - Posts: 150 - 28/10/2021 20:24:44    2387772

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Some amount of hypocrites on here abusing Joyce to the hilt and then suggesting the players should be respected. He doesn't give up his time? Some serious jokers on this place.

TanCanRan (Galway) - Posts: 180 - 28/10/2021 21:58:05    2387776

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Replying To padthepostman:  "Ah Pooe for Christ sake excuse the pun but please stop the semantics.

Let me rephrase it then : Ballygsr who played junior football last year and are NOW intermediate beat MB recently who WERE a senior team last March last but are NOW an intermediate team.

Based on them arriving NOW at intermediate grade from different divisions, MB from the upper and Ballygar from the lower one could reasonably assume that MB should have beaten Ballygar who were short there star player

This did not materialise with Ballygar the Victor's fairplay to them. Through extension would could also reasonably infer that gap between standards in Junior and senior is not as great as people wish to believe."
Based on one game only, it's a bit of a stretch. MB have proved to be a middling intermediate team this year. They also lost every game they played in senior last year and have regressed over the past 2 years. There isn't a huge pile between most intermediate teams and the bottom 4 or 6 teams in senior.
Ballygar on the other hand have the form of a team on an upward trajectory.
The result says more about where the two teams are at currently, than current senior and junior teams.
To use a soccer comparison, it has happened in England that a team just relegated from the premiership has lost to a team just promoted from league 1, when both are in the championship. Does that mean the gap between the premiership and league 1 isn't great? Obviously not.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2039 - 29/10/2021 10:15:14    2387790

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Replying To TanCanRan:  "Some amount of hypocrites on here abusing Joyce to the hilt and then suggesting the players should be respected. He doesn't give up his time? Some serious jokers on this place."
As you said earlier "respect is earned". No body is doubting the amount of time management teams put in but when you are the leader you are judged not only on performances but on how you hold yourself in public. The manager is a leader of Galway football and their actions shine a light on all of us. It is a public job and you are in the lime light and so are the players. Its part of the job.

galwaygoal (Galway) - Posts: 166 - 29/10/2021 10:26:06    2387794

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Replying To padthepostman:  "Ah Pooe for Christ sake excuse the pun but please stop the semantics.

Let me rephrase it then : Ballygsr who played junior football last year and are NOW intermediate beat MB recently who WERE a senior team last March last but are NOW an intermediate team.

Based on them arriving NOW at intermediate grade from different divisions, MB from the upper and Ballygar from the lower one could reasonably assume that MB should have beaten Ballygar who were short there star player

This did not materialise with Ballygar the Victor's fairplay to them. Through extension would could also reasonably infer that gap between standards in Junior and senior is not as great as people wish to believe."
Reasonably assume? I don't think so, no. Imo, you're placing far too much weight on your own 'established notions' about the level that teams are at, and not nearly enough weight on current/recent form trajectories. In a nutshell, study the current form, and some of the 'standards mystery' might drop out of it for you.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3419 - 29/10/2021 11:37:44    2387805

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Replying To galwaygoal:  "100% agree. They put in a massive effort each year. They work extremely hard and put some much time into the cause. Sacrificing their personal lives to represent our county.
But have to say videos that emerged of a gig that our manager attended over the weekend leave a lot be desired. The example is set from the top."
With all due respect we do not know the context to this video and is the man not entitled to a bit of privacy. Its time we got behind the football team and management. They have brought in a top class coach and I believe they have plans to address the S&C deficiency. Players have left for different reasons and hopefully we will have a strong panel to pick from. To be fair to padraic he has brought in alot of players and I think this will continue. If players are leaving because they aren't getting picked then is that telling us more about the players than management. As a player you need to ask yourself what can I do about it - what do I need to improve or change. The management have a lot of learning to do and need to adapt accordingly - that is the same for any management group. Let's get behind our footballers because we have enough talent to be very competitive.

Nogoal (Galway) - Posts: 62 - 29/10/2021 11:51:00    2387809

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Replying To padthepostman:  "Ah Pooe for Christ sake excuse the pun but please stop the semantics.

Let me rephrase it then : Ballygsr who played junior football last year and are NOW intermediate beat MB recently who WERE a senior team last March last but are NOW an intermediate team.

Based on them arriving NOW at intermediate grade from different divisions, MB from the upper and Ballygar from the lower one could reasonably assume that MB should have beaten Ballygar who were short there star player

This did not materialise with Ballygar the Victor's fairplay to them. Through extension would could also reasonably infer that gap between standards in Junior and senior is not as great as people wish to believe."
St Brendan's **

Donaldtrump (Galway) - Posts: 252 - 29/10/2021 12:05:45    2387811

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Replying To padthepostman:  "Ah Pooe for Christ sake excuse the pun but please stop the semantics.

Let me rephrase it then : Ballygsr who played junior football last year and are NOW intermediate beat MB recently who WERE a senior team last March last but are NOW an intermediate team.

Based on them arriving NOW at intermediate grade from different divisions, MB from the upper and Ballygar from the lower one could reasonably assume that MB should have beaten Ballygar who were short there star player

This did not materialise with Ballygar the Victor's fairplay to them. Through extension would could also reasonably infer that gap between standards in Junior and senior is not as great as people wish to believe."
The gap between Senior and Junior is massive .
4 B teams in Junior semi finals this year. Unless you contend that all 4 of these clubs have 30+ players at a fairly similar level.
To the best of my knowledge very few of these 4 x B teams have players who should be starters on the A teams.
St Brendan's ( Newbridge/Ballygar) have improved a lot since winning the Junior and hence are a much stronger side than these B teams. St Brendans are a former senior club who hit a slump for a number of years , but with the right structures in place their potential has re-awoken.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 29/10/2021 12:51:12    2387816

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