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Replying To Freethinker:  "We can take a few things from Mr Mustards post, Wicklowsupport. One is that he is still around and kicking. I was beginning to think that he had fallen off. Another is that he still thinks that you and I are alter egos, and seemingly have time to post under different names. The square ball just seems to be how he addresses some people, possibly those he doesn't agree with, so I wouldn't read anything into that. A big change is that he now suggests that the senior team is not the be all and end all of the GAA within the county. This is a major change from his previous strong opinions etc on county managers and how their teams were performing What I have to agree with him on is that there could never be enough competitions or games for juveniles and while winning is important, it is much more important that juveniles, whether in football or hurling get more games and coaching in the skills of the game. At some stage the importance of winning games, how to close out games when in front etc, has to be coached into them. Perhaps this is one aspect of coaching that we might be weak in."
Well i don't think the Juvenile games will increase, just having a look at the fixtures for football on the website - nothing there for u13 or u15 yet and its nearly April, the minors look to have only 4 games for the whole of April and May and after that looks to be every fortnight.

StrandedinWW (Wicklow) - Posts: 20 - 15/03/2022 14:25:10    2405565

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Looks like the lads found their shooting boots today..well done to all involved

stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 124 - 20/03/2022 15:48:03    2405929

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Replying To stringfellohawk:  "Looks like the lads found their shooting boots today..well done to all involved"
I'd like to echo that Stringfellowhawk. Certainly a massive improvement on previous games, from a scoring perspective. Just looking at the league table, I wonder is it too little too late ? Even if we beat Louth - another tall order- we would be level with Laois on 5, always presuming that they don't win their remaining fixture. If it's down to a head to head, they win and if it's scoring difference, theirs is superior to ours. Still, I take nothing away from what was a long overdue win for this panel of players. It's no more than they deserve.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 20/03/2022 17:35:34    2405958

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Hurlers took one point from Sligo and Donegal at home.....that is amazing.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 20/03/2022 17:50:24    2405965

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Replying To sponger:  "Hurlers took one point from Sligo and Donegal at home.....that is amazing."
Both those teams have definitely improved plus Wicklow hurlers are 'in transition'.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 20/03/2022 18:53:52    2405982

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Replying To sponger:  "Hurlers took one point from Sligo and Donegal at home.....that is amazing."
Let's hope the "traditional hurling clubs" like particularly Carnew, get their act together shortly and get back to the top of the pile. It's the only way our fortunes at inter county level will improve. Carnew, Glenealy, Dales, Kiltegan and Rocks. Until our teams are backboned by players from these club, we are only going to slip further, in my opinion. I realise it's been a while since the Rocks shone but they have the stuff needed at the higher levels in their genes. I'll probably get lambasted for this post, but as I say, it's just my opinion and it's based on following and watching hurling in the county for over fifty years. Question - why are some of the best hurlers in the county "unavailable" for selection ??

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 20/03/2022 19:05:00    2405990

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Replying To sponger:  "Hurlers took one point from Sligo and Donegal at home.....that is amazing."
Lost to Donegal. We got a point away to Mayo though. Our draw today gives us home advantage for our relegation play off with Mayo.

Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 1138 - 20/03/2022 19:24:34    2405997

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If there was an Olympic sport for withdrawing from County panels, we would win the gold medal every time.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 20/03/2022 20:35:52    2406030

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Let's hope the "traditional hurling clubs" like particularly Carnew, get their act together shortly and get back to the top of the pile. It's the only way our fortunes at inter county level will improve. Carnew, Glenealy, Dales, Kiltegan and Rocks. Until our teams are backboned by players from these club, we are only going to slip further, in my opinion. I realise it's been a while since the Rocks shone but they have the stuff needed at the higher levels in their genes. I'll probably get lambasted for this post, but as I say, it's just my opinion and it's based on following and watching hurling in the county for over fifty years. Question - why are some of the best hurlers in the county "unavailable" for selection ??"
Are some of the former 'greats' not past it at this stage?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 20/03/2022 21:41:38    2406060

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Replying To sponger:  "If there was an Olympic sport for withdrawing from County panels, we would win the gold medal every time."
You know, sometimes a post hits the nail smack on the head. Fair play to you Sponger.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 20/03/2022 21:58:46    2406068

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I'd like to echo that Stringfellowhawk. Certainly a massive improvement on previous games, from a scoring perspective. Just looking at the league table, I wonder is it too little too late ? Even if we beat Louth - another tall order- we would be level with Laois on 5, always presuming that they don't win their remaining fixture. If it's down to a head to head, they win and if it's scoring difference, theirs is superior to ours. Still, I take nothing away from what was a long overdue win for this panel of players. It's no more than they deserve."
A big improvement in terms of scoring yesterday, 20 points versus only 8 against Laois. Unfortunately it is too little too late by my calculations; even if we were to beat Louth, we would still only be level with Laois (if they were to lose) but we would be relegated on head and head and our scoring difference is inferior as well. Relegation to Division 4 is a bad outcome and I don't see how it will benefit in any way the development of these young players. Having said that I am not surprised that we are in this position. There is some talent in the county but when you compare it to other counties, we don't have sufficient number of talented players. It will be interesting to see how our underage teams fare in the championship this year, it is at underage where we need to focus and try to bring through greater numbers of better equipped players who are able to compete at senior level otherwise we will continue to be predominantly in Division 4. Even when we escape from this dreaded division we don't survive outside it for any length of time.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 21/03/2022 09:18:15    2406084

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Replying To Freethinker:  "I'd like to echo that Stringfellowhawk. Certainly a massive improvement on previous games, from a scoring perspective. Just looking at the league table, I wonder is it too little too late ? Even if we beat Louth - another tall order- we would be level with Laois on 5, always presuming that they don't win their remaining fixture. If it's down to a head to head, they win and if it's scoring difference, theirs is superior to ours. Still, I take nothing away from what was a long overdue win for this panel of players. It's no more than they deserve."
From my back of a napkin sums, we need to beat Louth (not 100% guaranteed promotion yet) by 19 points and Longford need to beat Laois by 13 points.

It is head to head first, so as Laois are already on 5 points we need Longford to win for a 3 way tie and then scoring difference to be come in to play.

TopDrawer (Wicklow) - Posts: 52 - 21/03/2022 09:50:07    2406097

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Replying To keeper7:  "Are some of the former 'greats' not past it at this stage?"
Keeper7. No, the ones I am thinking of are a long way from being over the hill. There is something wrong and players are walking away.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 999 - 21/03/2022 10:39:10    2406114

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Heading to Aughrim Sunday next for the final league game, parking wise/access to Aughrim, any tips/best parking option for a Louth man travelling ?

Thanks

louthman57 (Louth) - Posts: 292 - 21/03/2022 11:00:46    2406127

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Replying To louthman57:  "Heading to Aughrim Sunday next for the final league game, parking wise/access to Aughrim, any tips/best parking option for a Louth man travelling ?

Thanks"
There is plenty of parking in the ground you will be able to drive straight in

stringfellohawk (Wicklow) - Posts: 124 - 21/03/2022 12:35:25    2406165

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Replying To TopDrawer:  "From my back of a napkin sums, we need to beat Louth (not 100% guaranteed promotion yet) by 19 points and Longford need to beat Laois by 13 points.

It is head to head first, so as Laois are already on 5 points we need Longford to win for a 3 way tie and then scoring difference to be come in to play."
I think we need to beat Louth in order to try and build on yesterday's performance as i think our hopes of staying up are extremely slim. I'm not sure but i think scoring difference only comes into it after head to head and we have lost to Laois. So it is more about the performance against Louth who are looking for back to back promotion under Mickey Harte.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1910 - 21/03/2022 15:38:47    2406259

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I think we need to beat Louth in order to try and build on yesterday's performance as i think our hopes of staying up are extremely slim. I'm not sure but i think scoring difference only comes into it after head to head and we have lost to Laois. So it is more about the performance against Louth who are looking for back to back promotion under Mickey Harte."
Head to head is only in the event of a two way tie. A three way tie reverts to scoring difference. I think that's the case regardless of games between the three teams. Either way, if Longford win then Longford, Laois and Wicklow all finish on 5 points and they will all have beaten each other (Laois beat Wicklow, Wicklow beat Longford and Longford beat Laois) so head to head wouldn't work. It's hard see the score difference being overturned though so Wicklow look likely to go down, but it's not technically the case yet.

anon (None) - Posts: 353 - 22/03/2022 09:23:19    2406361

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Replying To anon:  "Head to head is only in the event of a two way tie. A three way tie reverts to scoring difference. I think that's the case regardless of games between the three teams. Either way, if Longford win then Longford, Laois and Wicklow all finish on 5 points and they will all have beaten each other (Laois beat Wicklow, Wicklow beat Longford and Longford beat Laois) so head to head wouldn't work. It's hard see the score difference being overturned though so Wicklow look likely to go down, but it's not technically the case yet."
Relegation is a three way dogfight between Laois, Longford and Wicklow. The key fixture is Laois Vs Longford.
Scenarios
Laois and Wicklow win
Then Longford and Wicklow relegated.

Longford and Wicklow win
Three teams level on points but Longford and Wicklow have an inferior scoring average so both are relegated.

Longford win and Wicklow lose.
Laois and Longford level on 5 points with Longford surviving on the head to head result.
Laois and Wicklow would be relegated.

Head to head applies with two teams level on points (Currently Wicklow are ahead of Longford on the head to head result even though that Wicklow has the inferior scoring average)
If more than two teams finishes level on points, then scoring averages applies.

Ultimately Laois only need a draw to survive.
So it is Wicklow and either Laois or Longford for the drop,

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3099 - 22/03/2022 10:29:14    2406389

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I think the hurling is in Tullamore ?

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 22/03/2022 12:40:50    2406437

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We appear to only have 4 subs ?

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 26/03/2022 12:31:10    2407155

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