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I have said it before that McEntee isn't up to the job. Can't understand him half the time when he is interviewed. He is always on about this group of lads not able to compete. I would love to know from someone on the inside if he offers anything. No emotion ever on the sideline either. I believe in this group of players and reckon now is the time to bring someone else in. Nothing to be lost by giving it to Paul Henry. We were an embarassment yesterday and I don't blame the players one bit for it.
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There are pros and cons of changing the Mgt. I'm very open. After 4 years maybe a change would be good but we have changed managers before and got on poorly. The players who are the most important part of the set up have really bought into the system and are happy with Mc Entee. I only know of one player who won't commit because of the manager. It happens in every team and every county. That player became part of the ladies Mgt in the county and they were all removed from their position a few months ago. (Please don't start naming out average players who are in their late 20 ies or early 30 ies who never got a chance). Paul Durkan, and Colm Mc Fadden are All Ireland winners also. Mc Entee is dour and if I was going for a pint tonight I wouldn't bring him to liven up the party. Within the county we have Mc Gowan and Sloyane. Both are just one year with a Co set up but Mc Gowan did a few years in Clare Sloyane might not just be ready yet. Longford didn't have a good year. O Hara is not an option. His C V isn't great. With Mc Gowan he achieved a lot and with Sloyane he won Connacht U.20 but on his own he really achieved nothing . As a selector he would be great. Someone mentioned Breheny, Tommy won't return. His name is etched in Sligo as a winning manager, he won't want to tarnish that by returning. Mark is a prospect but he is a mile away from inter Co Mgt. Let him win a title with St. Mary's first. So we need to thread carefully. There are a lot of fly by night managers going from county to county picking up expenses. We had those and did we achieve anything.? I don't think so
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Paul Henry is mentioned here, he is definitely not an option. His priority has to be U.20. Bree was mentioned. He is with Leitrim who are Div 4 and failed to beat New York or any game in Tailteann Cup. As for Johnny Kelly to return to the panel, it must be 6 years since he played for Sligo , he didn't play for Taylor either so he won't be back. As I said I am open to a new manager but we would need to have a plan firmly in place before we decide not to Carry on with Mc Entee . I will give him credit. He got us out of Div 4. He was a better manager than Taylor, Cathal Corey, Luke Dempsey or Neill Carew.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1689 - 20/06/2023 11:15:55
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I would be happy to see McEntee stay another year. There was definite improvement this year and besides the Laois game, Sligo were dominant in Division 4 although they let teams back into games too many times when we were by far the better team. We also destroyed London and New York which other years we and many other counties have struggled
I am only going to judge him by results this year
Division 1 teams - played 3, lost 3 heavily
Division 2 teams - played 1, drew 1
Division 3 teams - played 0
Division 4 teams - played 10, won 9
I think this shows us we are a Division 3 side, I dont know if playing in Sam McGuire will have any benefit and if we have actually learnt anything we didnt already know. People want a new manager but even after all the great results and progress Mickey Harte has made with Louth, they lost by over 20 points to both Dublin and Kerry.
There is always hearsay about who is going well at training, it's a great problem to have that we have a decent team now and 2 years of u20 teams that are working away with S&C in background and will be pushing for places next year that will hopefully drive on this team. I cant see O'Boyle being ahead of Carrabine, Murphy, O'Connor, Reilly or Spillane at this stage but maybe Sligonian you could drop one of them from the match day panel and bring in O'Boyle who just joined the panel ahead of them for the final game of the year
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Replying To muscles: "I would be happy to see McEntee stay another year. There was definite improvement this year and besides the Laois game, Sligo were dominant in Division 4 although they let teams back into games too many times when we were by far the better team. We also destroyed London and New York which other years we and many other counties have struggled
I am only going to judge him by results this year
Division 1 teams - played 3, lost 3 heavily
Division 2 teams - played 1, drew 1
Division 3 teams - played 0
Division 4 teams - played 10, won 9
I think this shows us we are a Division 3 side, I dont know if playing in Sam McGuire will have any benefit and if we have actually learnt anything we didnt already know. People want a new manager but even after all the great results and progress Mickey Harte has made with Louth, they lost by over 20 points to both Dublin and Kerry.
There is always hearsay about who is going well at training, it's a great problem to have that we have a decent team now and 2 years of u20 teams that are working away with S&C in background and will be pushing for places next year that will hopefully drive on this team. I cant see O'Boyle being ahead of Carrabine, Murphy, O'Connor, Reilly or Spillane at this stage but maybe Sligonian you could drop one of them from the match day panel and bring in O'Boyle who just joined the panel ahead of them for the final game of the year" Taking three years to get a group promoted is a cause for celebrating and extending tenure?
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Replying To thedreamer: "I have said it before that McEntee isn't up to the job. Can't understand him half the time when he is interviewed. He is always on about this group of lads not able to compete. I would love to know from someone on the inside if he offers anything. No emotion ever on the sideline either. I believe in this group of players and reckon now is the time to bring someone else in. Nothing to be lost by giving it to Paul Henry. We were an embarassment yesterday and I don't blame the players one bit for it." I think that is slightly harsh. Ye were playing the Dubs who were making it their business to get straight into a QF. Ye had a successful year besides. Promoted from Div 4. Got to a Connacht final. Drew with a Div 2 team, could have won, and pushed Roscommon close for a good chunk of that match. It would have been interesting to see how ye would have fared in the Tailteann seeing that Laois have got into a semi.
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Replying To Sligonian: "I agree also, McEntee should not be getting another year. His 3 year term is up now and we should move on. There will be a post season review with the management and county board. There is enough possibility of good candidates within Sligo who are tactically aware, knowledgable, passionate and know the mindset of Sligo to be considered. McGowan, Brehony, McGee, Bree, Mitchell, Henry are all top tier coaches and/or managers. O Hara and Sloyan would be just off that for me. Timing is obviously another issue but McGowan and Breheny would be my top choices until Henry and Mitchell are ready for it.
Only 1 person I know in my footballing community would want McEntee back none of the rest want him and these are people who actually go to the games. The casual viewer hasn't a clue on his mistakes or lack of tactical know how. The seniors have so many basic bad habits which look for me is a reflections of 5 years under keane.
He has made some shocking mistakes even this last year. His team selection against Laois cost us, his match up on Tierney was -10pts, his match up choice on Enda Smith was very poor. Changing the goal keepers, not starting paddy in final after his best game. Those were mistakes a Junior B manager would not make and we are supposed to just take it because we are far too nice in Sligo. I would love a face to face with McEntee to understand his thinking. It doesn't matter what type of game or the way the game is going we all know the subs he will bring on, and the sequence. His team selections and tactics are the same. He likes players who have very low ceilings. He has shown he can't manage talented players and you won't win anything without them. He has watched club games so evaluation of players is poor too.
I see certain talented players regressing under him this year. Is he getting the best out of Paddy, Lally, Evan, Spillane, etc... I don't think so.
There is no clear pathway for Players. Players who are injured with no gametime come straight back into battle the heat of championship. No consistency with players who have the S+C done or not done. Picking players on Personality.
Do the people of Sligo want to accept continued mediocrity? What if scraping us out of a poor div4 is McEntees peak?
He gave the u20s from last year little to no gametime, how does he know there good enough yet or not if he hasn't given them a chance? Is he really putting that much of a weight on training...
McEntee had no intention of giving last years u20s a chance and he will do the exact same next year. I heard O Boyle and Walsh are flying in training and showing some of the starters up, I heard the exact same last year. We need to be careful because our starting 15 needs an overhaul and McEntee is too loyal to average players and that could stagnate our u20s development like this year. The CB know this. Do we really trust Keane as well, he has been around for too long.
I find McEntee very negative, yesterday after the game saying "15 to 20 point defeat would have been a good result before the game" so I guess 24 wasn't too bad. Our media were way too soft on that comment.
There is a reason there was thousands following the u20s and hundreds following the seniors. Once you wear the black and white you have no right to throw in the towel like yesterday. I don't care the odds or who you are playing.
With all due respect to the Tourlestrane lads, it was Leonard who picked McEntee over his own Clubman O Hara and just because I don't like McEntee as manager doesn't mean I stop supporting Sligo. Liam Gaughan and Johnny Kelly should be in there regardless. If only average players are committed it doesn't leave us looking very good.
McEntee or Keane cannot be entrusted with our future. We have the evidence of the past that proves this. Hopefully the county board will listen to the lack of crowds and opinions of those who actually go to games. A new manager like McGowan would give the county a lift and re engage players who don't rate current management. He has also had great insight into Clare and Roscommon set ups.
However, sadly I think the CB will retain McEntee for another year which is very frustrating and missed opportunity." He gave the u20s from last year little to no game time, how does he know there good enough yet or not if he hasn't given them a chance? Is he really putting that much of a weight on training
I heard O Boyle and Walsh are flying in training
So McEntee is putting too much weight on training and also at the same time not enough weight on training
muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 446 - 20/06/2023 13:21:01
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Muscles, nice try on twisting my words to fit your narrative. I'm not suggesting any of this years u20s should be in the panel even so clearly you have an agenda there. They were brought in to get a taste of the senior set up and that is a good start. My issue is from here on in, as shown with last years u20s.
London had about 6 starters out and New York are different animal in the bronx so I wouldn't be giving much credit there but job done.
If you judge him on results only, the calibre of opposition matters too. Kildare and Leitrim away were the results were I take stock but I just feel with a better management we could have beaten Roscommon and got a lot closer to Galway and Dublin. I don't think McEntee or Keane have the capability of making us competitive against the big 3 in Connacht.
You cant have the u20s indefinitely doing S+C and training and not playing matches. They will regress with that strategy and may even not commit.
Next year you have Mulligan, Byrne, O Boyle, Dylan Walsh etc... along with Keaney, Lavin, and Smith. The Deignans should be close too along with Davitt.
I am not sure McEntee will give any of them gametime because he has his favorites. This is year 3 of McEntee and scraping through Div4 and I see some of the players regressing not improving.
McEntee has to be judged on tactics and strategy, player evaluation, team selections, match ups, development of u20s and integration as well. He fails a lot in those categories. He just makes too many mistakes for me that are holding us back. He is talking publicly of us not getting out of div 3 for a few years. Just negative. Can you imagine how him and Keane communicate to players coming through.
You mentioned Louth, Harte took over the same year as McEntee and brought them from Division 4 to Division 2 and weren't far away from getting to Div1 this year, and they ran Cork to 2pts and Mayo to 1pt in Castlebar, both games they could have won. That is miles ahead of McEntee in terms of results of progression in the same time frame but I hate comparing.
It really comes down to is McEntee getting the most out of Sligo, is he maximizing our potential, categorically no. The majority on here want him gone judging by the posts and most of my social circle the same. Its obviously a mistake keeping him and we are risking our future.
I don't trust McEntee's judgement at all looking to the club championship. The type of players he likes are big on personality but nothing much to back it up. 5 or 6 of the starters this year will struggle in Divison 3 and are just getting in the way of better players development.
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I reckon Tony Mcentee is one of lifes good guys. Sligo at this stage would progress more with a serious motivator. Davy Fitzgerald comes to mind. Put in the coaches but have a front man that is "all in" to the cause. Probably get ripped apart for this suggestion but Tony doesn't fill me with front man confidence.
thedreamer (Sligo) - Posts: 52 - 20/06/2023 18:53:30
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Replying To muscles: "He gave the u20s from last year little to no game time, how does he know there good enough yet or not if he hasn't given them a chance? Is he really putting that much of a weight on training
I heard O Boyle and Walsh are flying in training
So McEntee is putting too much weight on training and also at the same time not enough weight on training" Or spending training dreaming of looking at sliabh Gillion?
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A few posters coming out with big long winding loads of rubbish, some don't reside in this country and never attend club or county games. Of course they couldn't say anything afll year because Mc Entee and his Mgt team ticked all the boxes, promoted as champions, reached a Connacht final ( not Mc Entees fault that the opposition was poor) introduced Cox and Cawley into the team, got Lally back playing It was even mentioned how Walsh was flying in training. He was indeed flying. He flew to Spain on well deserved holidays and missed 2 club games with Eastern Harps. Just reinforces why I decided years ago not to interact with that poster. Empty vessels make most noise.
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Replying To eoinog: "A few posters coming out with big long winding loads of rubbish, some don't reside in this country and never attend club or county games. Of course they couldn't say anything afll year because Mc Entee and his Mgt team ticked all the boxes, promoted as champions, reached a Connacht final ( not Mc Entees fault that the opposition was poor) introduced Cox and Cawley into the team, got Lally back playing It was even mentioned how Walsh was flying in training. He was indeed flying. He flew to Spain on well deserved holidays and missed 2 club games with Eastern Harps. Just reinforces why I decided years ago not to interact with that poster. Empty vessels make most noise." I'm assuming this is directed mainly at me. Very mature response as usual Eoinog going with the personal attacks and saying nothing constructive. Its interesting how quick you will turn on fellow Sligomen. As said McEntee I am fairly sure is a nice guy but for me just makes too many basic mistakes. I think the criticism of McEntee has been constructive and fair so not sure why your getting so triggered. You must be close to him in his time here although 3 or 4 posters do use your account. Maybe you need to step back and see the bigger picture.
How many counties in Ireland would not have reached a Connacht final with the draw we got?
I actually came home for the u20 run, incredible to watch a team coached so well with fight and never say die attitudes. Players with a high defensive IQ and know how to transition and time runs in attack. To see all the south Sligo welcome for the team on the way home from Tuam was awe inspiring and will live with me forever and the support was fantastic in Salthill and Cavan.
I think I seen about 12 matches in the 4 weeks, even got to see the county u16s and minors and 4 club senior games although the minors are streamed nowadays which is great for the exiles. Conor Walsh is an exciting prospect and we need Eli back for the u20s next year. Jack Davitt looked incredible for the club, as did Alan McLoughlin and Joe Keaney seriously impressed me as usual. He just plays the big moments so well and drives on a team with some of the best close quarters skillset I've seen.
I look forward to watching the 10 or so club games streamed again this year that I watched last year so I can stay informed. ;)
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Replying To eoinog: "A few posters coming out with big long winding loads of rubbish, some don't reside in this country and never attend club or county games. Of course they couldn't say anything afll year because Mc Entee and his Mgt team ticked all the boxes, promoted as champions, reached a Connacht final ( not Mc Entees fault that the opposition was poor) introduced Cox and Cawley into the team, got Lally back playing It was even mentioned how Walsh was flying in training. He was indeed flying. He flew to Spain on well deserved holidays and missed 2 club games with Eastern Harps. Just reinforces why I decided years ago not to interact with that poster. Empty vessels make most noise." McEntee and Kane have done their job i.e getting us out of Division 4 (albeit after 3 and 5 years), that does not mean we sit back in awe and gratitude and let them plough on for another one or two years years I would suggest (speaking as a full time resident in Sligo by the way.)
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Just to add on the box ticking comment by Eoinog no4. That seems to be the only justification for keeping McEntee. The weird thing is the same people dismiss O Hara and Sloyan about the u20s. Did they not tick the box in winning Connacht for the first time? Most people didn't even think that was possible that year and that was against tier 1 opposition.
However didn't the County Board despite the box being ticked move on from Sloyan and O Hara and give it rightly so give it to Henry and Mitchell? Didn't that work out well even though it was a tough call as pre agreement was in place.
It pi**es me off how some look at our own County men, but yet outsiders like McEntee and Keane who couldn't careless about Sligo GAA if they weren't involved get treated or evaluated more favorably.
The County Board need to be brave and do the same as what they did with the u20s and not judge just on results especially given the opposition faced. Is this as far as McEntee and Keane can bring us? Given what I have seen, yes.
Sligonian (Sligo) - Posts: 1643 - 22/06/2023 18:00:26
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McEntee and Keane will decide whether they stay or go. As far as I remember there was an option to extend to their deal if they wished for it. We have another season to develop, got promotion as champions and put in 2 good AI series performances getting 1 draw and and putting it up to Roscommon for 50 mins or so.
Just the one game in the top 2 divisions this week but I will keep the predictions going.
Curry v Tourlestrane: Draw
I don't know why but I think this could be a draw. No doubt tourlestrane are the better side but they haven't been playing overly well although they've still been winning. But as it's a local rivalry and in Curry I think I'm going to give Curry a chance in this one and give them a draw. It's hard to know what team tourlestrane will have. A lot of lads probably taking it easy for the league as they're getting on in age and want to keep themselves for championship which is 100% right. I don't know much about Curry but they've had recent club underage success and had a few lads with the u20s.
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Replying To sligo joe: "I think the County board are travelling a dodgy road here. If the chosen points system impacts on relegation expect objections. I know the club delegates voted this in but if an adversely affected club brings an objection to a higher authority the new system could well be deemed unfair and an objection upheld." I think each county can play their leagues in what ever format they agree on. Championship is different. All play under the same rule. I can see controversy down the line if for example Calry miraculously win a game then they will leapfrog over the Bunnies if they fail to win another game. The head to head which the Bunnies won doesn't come into play at all.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1689 - 25/06/2023 15:48:06
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Going to get my predictions in this week, going to be interesting now that games are worth 3 points for a win with county players available but a few county players are going away on holidays
Div 1:
Molaise v Coolera .... Molaise
Shamrock gaels v Farnans .... Shamrock gaels
Tubbercurry v Calry .... Calry with narrow win
Mary's v Bunninaden .... Mary's comfortably
Div 2:
Castleconnor v St Pats .... draw
Easkey v Michael's .... Easkey
DRP v Ballymote .... DRP
Harps v Geevagh .... draw
C/M v Owenmore Gaels .... C/M
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Replying To muscles: "Going to get my predictions in this week, going to be interesting now that games are worth 3 points for a win with county players available but a few county players are going away on holidays
Div 1:
Molaise v Coolera .... Molaise
Shamrock gaels v Farnans .... Shamrock gaels
Tubbercurry v Calry .... Calry with narrow win
Mary's v Bunninaden .... Mary's comfortably
Div 2:
Castleconnor v St Pats .... draw
Easkey v Michael's .... Easkey
DRP v Ballymote .... DRP
Harps v Geevagh .... draw
C/M v Owenmore Gaels .... C/M" Is the 3 point thing going ahead?
Tourlestrane beat Curry in round 5 of Division 1 over the weekend and per the Sligo GAA website they were only awarded 2pts for that win
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Replying To muscles: "Going to get my predictions in this week, going to be interesting now that games are worth 3 points for a win with county players available but a few county players are going away on holidays
Div 1:
Molaise v Coolera .... Molaise
Shamrock gaels v Farnans .... Shamrock gaels
Tubbercurry v Calry .... Calry with narrow win
Mary's v Bunninaden .... Mary's comfortably
Div 2:
Castleconnor v St Pats .... draw
Easkey v Michael's .... Easkey
DRP v Ballymote .... DRP
Harps v Geevagh .... draw
C/M v Owenmore Gaels .... C/M" You are getting in with your predictions before the rush.
Molaise are steamrolling everyone. With the championship a long way off yet will they keep up the pace ? They should beat Coolera.
Gaels to beat Farnans.
Tubbercurry to win back to back games and win against Calry
Mary's will take the bunnies.
In Div 2 if Carrabine and Flynn are playing they will beat Pats. If not it's a win for Pats
Easkey should win at home against Michaels.
Coolaney should take Owenmore Gaels
Harps to beat Geevagh and Drumcliffe to beat Ballymote.
The first 4 games were worth 8 points, the next 5 have 15 points on offer, big difference.
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Replying To Two_Hops: "Is the 3 point thing going ahead?
Tourlestrane beat Curry in round 5 of Division 1 over the weekend and per the Sligo GAA website they were only awarded 2pts for that win" Looks like they have changed it on the website. Tourlestrane now on 9pts as opposed to 8pts
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