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We dont have there defender's, we dont have these forwards, the reason we are kicking it short is because we dont have these midfielders.
We just dont have the player's anymore.
Covid prevent management from getting a run.
Thats rorysboys in a nut shell above, he will make all the excuses in the world for this management team.
Thats the difference between an average management team, and a great management setup.
A good management setup, solves problems and finds solutions, and doesn't make excuses.
Sadly its looking like the same management team again next year, as if he was stepping away, i am sure he would have said by now.
Another year wasted.
I really feel for the player's, as there wasting years playing with a average setup.
I really hope some year they get to experience a professional setup like 2011 to 2014.
Until then get used to average
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Replying To TheRock2121: "I agree, we need physical lads and out and out defenders in defence. I also agree that at times Mogan and Ryan hasn't worked at half back and when put on the back foot they are vulnerable.
I'm highlighting we don't have the type of player we need for the half back line. If Mc Clenahan and Mc Kelvey were playing well, they would have been selected. Mc Kelvey is fairly small but yeah prob better defender than the 2 above. I don't think Mc Kelvey or Mc Clenahan is the answer. I have no doubt if Gillespie was fit he'd start. We've been unlucky with injuries but also we don't have the defenders.. Currently anyway." I agree that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes in training, but based on what I had seen of them early in the year, I thought McClenaghan and McKelvey would be featuring heavily in the Summer.
Tony McClenaghan is powerful, maybe not the most technicially gifted footballer, but he has aggression, intensity and power in ambundance.
Jack McKelvey is a great footballer, I could see him being the future No 6, I think he has that ability and just needs more time to develop and flourish and find his feet at Senior level.
I suspect injuries have finished Kieran Gillespie, he was a great prospect for full back, but unfortunately he just got hit repeatedly with injuries and its tough to come back from that. Conor Morrison is back with St Eunans last weekend, but didn't feature, we will need to give him time to see if he recovers fully, tough road back. Great man marker though.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1114 - 20/06/2022 16:50:45
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Replying To The keeper: "We dont have there defender's, we dont have these forwards, the reason we are kicking it short is because we dont have these midfielders.
We just dont have the player's anymore.
Covid prevent management from getting a run.
Thats rorysboys in a nut shell above, he will make all the excuses in the world for this management team.
Thats the difference between an average management team, and a great management setup.
A good management setup, solves problems and finds solutions, and doesn't make excuses.
Sadly its looking like the same management team again next year, as if he was stepping away, i am sure he would have said by now.
Another year wasted.
I really feel for the player's, as there wasting years playing with a average setup.
I really hope some year they get to experience a professional setup like 2011 to 2014.
Until then get used to average" Can you not understand that we don't have the man markers and big strong defenders. Mc Guinness had the two Mc gees Lacey Thompson and Mc Glynn plus paddy Mc grath all good defenders. That quality of defenders is not there at the moment. If it is who are they, your great for criticising but .you have no answers. Forget about Mc Guinness you didn't come back about our next manager.. as I said before if bonner wants the job it's his , if the players are not happy I'm sure they'll say it. As I said before give him 3 years he deserves it one of our most successful managers ever.. legend.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2404 - 20/06/2022 17:55:02
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Replying To The keeper: "We dont have there defender's, we dont have these forwards, the reason we are kicking it short is because we dont have these midfielders.
We just dont have the player's anymore.
Covid prevent management from getting a run.
Thats rorysboys in a nut shell above, he will make all the excuses in the world for this management team.
Thats the difference between an average management team, and a great management setup.
A good management setup, solves problems and finds solutions, and doesn't make excuses.
Sadly its looking like the same management team again next year, as if he was stepping away, i am sure he would have said by now.
Another year wasted.
I really feel for the player's, as there wasting years playing with a average setup.
I really hope some year they get to experience a professional setup like 2011 to 2014.
Until then get used to average" I'd agree if Bonner doesn't do the right thing and step down now it will be another year wasted, I have zero confidence now in his ability to progress with this team, I'm sure he can see that himself too.
We'll just get more of the same dross unless we get a management team in that has the ability to get the most out of our players.
It needs a fresh approach. a new manager should be in place asap/ ideally before the club Championship starts.
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Replying To rorysboys: "There's only a few lads making a fool of themselves on this forum, and I'm glad to tell you, your pne of them. Don't know who's the biggest idiot you low ball or the stay at home keeper. 3 people who don't go to games and have an opinion about everything ha. I'm not criticising Jim I have nothing but respect for the man, great manager, all I'm saying is we wouldn't have win all Ireland without Murphy. Surely you can see that. So sit back lad and wait for bonner to make his decision, he's under no obligation to keep fools like you happy and announce an early decision .. finally I would like to say well done to all the real genuine supporters who turned up last Sunday. There the people who have pride in there county." Are you not able to answer the simple question Rory. Are you a politician lol it's a simple question. Your are on here criticising and saying we don't have it in players. Can you not see our boys are not developing under current set up and are going back. You say we dont gave physicality in backs. Look at McGrath, lacey, McGlynn, Thompson, Declan Walsh these wouldn't be the biggest of men but they were converted into proper defenders through a mgt team that allowed then to do this. Now compare to McCole , o baoill, mcclenaghan,
Eoghan ban , McMenamin, ward, Conor o donnell (very good defender) , mckelvey. The 2012 boys were smaller id argue. And even if we felt we needed a bit more power in there, why not bring in a hugh McFadden to bolster our defence in a sweeper form. And you are saying bonner doesn't need to rush. Reality check he does it's for the good of dgl fball not me or you.
marty234 (Donegal) - Posts: 158 - 20/06/2022 20:10:12
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Replying To rorysboys: "Can you not understand that we don't have the man markers and big strong defenders. Mc Guinness had the two Mc gees Lacey Thompson and Mc Glynn plus paddy Mc grath all good defenders. That quality of defenders is not there at the moment. If it is who are they, your great for criticising but .you have no answers. Forget about Mc Guinness you didn't come back about our next manager.. as I said before if bonner wants the job it's his , if the players are not happy I'm sure they'll say it. As I said before give him 3 years he deserves it one of our most successful managers ever.. legend." Actually I would disagree on that, when McGuinness inherited that team he had to rejig the back 6 to make it work. Yes there was some excellent players there, but in hindsight they looked below par in 2008 - 2010.
Eamon McGee had no fixed position, he had played midfield and a number of various roles prior to 2011.
Paddy McGrath was drafted in from the U21's in 2011.
Karl Lacey was moved from corner back to center half back.
Frank McGlynn only really became permanent wing back after Kevin Cassidy left the team.
So in fairness to Jim McGuinness, he didn't have players for each position, but made players fit or adapt.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1114 - 21/06/2022 09:58:42
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Replying To rorysboys: "Can you not understand that we don't have the man markers and big strong defenders. Mc Guinness had the two Mc gees Lacey Thompson and Mc Glynn plus paddy Mc grath all good defenders. That quality of defenders is not there at the moment. If it is who are they, your great for criticising but .you have no answers. Forget about Mc Guinness you didn't come back about our next manager.. as I said before if bonner wants the job it's his , if the players are not happy I'm sure they'll say it. As I said before give him 3 years he deserves it one of our most successful managers ever.. legend." Actually I would disagree on that, when McGuinness inherited that team he had to rejig the back 6 to make it work. Yes there was some excellent players there, but in hindsight they looked below par in 2008 - 2010.
Eamon McGee had no fixed position, he had played midfield and a number of various roles prior to 2011.
Paddy McGrath was drafted in from the U21's in 2011.
Karl Lacey was moved from corner back to center half back.
Frank McGlynn only really became permanent wing back after Kevin Cassidy left the team.
So in fairness to Jim McGuinness, he didn't have players for each position, but made players fit or adapt.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1114 - 21/06/2022 10:11:24
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Replying To marty234: "Are you not able to answer the simple question Rory. Are you a politician lol it's a simple question. Your are on here criticising and saying we don't have it in players. Can you not see our boys are not developing under current set up and are going back. You say we dont gave physicality in backs. Look at McGrath, lacey, McGlynn, Thompson, Declan Walsh these wouldn't be the biggest of men but they were converted into proper defenders through a mgt team that allowed then to do this. Now compare to McCole , o baoill, mcclenaghan,
Eoghan ban , McMenamin, ward, Conor o donnell (very good defender) , mckelvey. The 2012 boys were smaller id argue. And even if we felt we needed a bit more power in there, why not bring in a hugh McFadden to bolster our defence in a sweeper form. And you are saying bonner doesn't need to rush. Reality check he does it's for the good of dgl fball not me or you." I'm saying we don't have man marking defenders which you need in the present day to beat the top sides. In mc Guinness time it was blanket defence and when we win the ball it was all out attack. You'll win nothing with those tactics now I thought an expert like you would understand stand. Football has changed big time look at Tyrone last year I think it was the semi final when all there full back line scored from play and still done brilliant man to man jobs on there opponent.. too many people stuck in a time warp on this forum.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2404 - 21/06/2022 10:21:35
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Replying To rorysboys: "I'm saying we don't have man marking defenders which you need in the present day to beat the top sides. In mc Guinness time it was blanket defence and when we win the ball it was all out attack. You'll win nothing with those tactics now I thought an expert like you would understand stand. Football has changed big time look at Tyrone last year I think it was the semi final when all there full back line scored from play and still done brilliant man to man jobs on there opponent.. too many people stuck in a time warp on this forum." Did you see Derry this year? Blanket defence, all out attack! They are the image of McGuinness Donegal. I know you might say that Rogers and McKeigue are better man markers than what we have, but I don't think they're any better, just better coached and protected by those out the field.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 584 - 21/06/2022 12:12:31
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Replying To rorysboys: "I'm saying we don't have man marking defenders which you need in the present day to beat the top sides. In mc Guinness time it was blanket defence and when we win the ball it was all out attack. You'll win nothing with those tactics now I thought an expert like you would understand stand. Football has changed big time look at Tyrone last year I think it was the semi final when all there full back line scored from play and still done brilliant man to man jobs on there opponent.. too many people stuck in a time warp on this forum." Derry just won the Ulster Championship playing like that, (not advocating it though)
Jim McGuinness had the brains to use an adapt the players he had and made them winners,
that's what top management is about,
it's not about complaining about what you don't have, it's things like making changes when things aren't working instead of running into blind alleys repeatedly,
it's about making the best of what you have already. You adapt, overcome. you improvise!!!
what amount of success do you think we'd have had if Declan Bonner had got the job instead of Jim in 2010?
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 21/06/2022 12:15:41
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Replying To SouthOfTheGap: "Did you see Derry this year? Blanket defence, all out attack! They are the image of McGuinness Donegal. I know you might say that Rogers and McKeigue are better man markers than what we have, but I don't think they're any better, just better coached and protected by those out the field." Expect all sorts of childish name calling now….
eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1595 - 21/06/2022 12:25:49
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I find it interesting that there's so much talk of the defence when our scoring has let us down consistently. Long periods without scoring has been a feature of the senior set up in the past year. Bad wides or just no shots whatsoever. This allows for big big momentum shifts and that sense of inevitability that seems to seep into the game that we're going to lose. There was a stat that when we went 2 points up v Derry, we didn't even attempt a shot for the next 13 minutes or something like that.
In the league match against Mayo, we scored in the 15th minute to go 5 points to 1 up, and then for the rest of that 1st half, we scored 2 points. In the 2nd half, we scored our 11th point in the 55th minute and didn't score again for the rest of the game, letting Mayo in for the draw.
In the Kildare match, we scored 4 points in the second half.
2 points against a gale in Killarney in the 1st half, yet Kerry managed 1-4 against that same gale in the 2nd. We went from the 12th minute of that game to the 45th minute without scoring.
In the Tyrone league match, we scored our 3rd point in the 11th minute (with the wind) and didn't score again until the goal in injury time. The ball wasn't in play for all of that as there was a good chunk of injury time that day for the first half. The 2nd half was probably the best we played all year going forward keeping the scoreboard ticking over.
Against Monaghan at home we scored 2 points in 30 minutes with the breeze in the first half.
After a great start against Dublin, we scored 1 point from the 16th minute to the end of the half.
In the Armagh league match we went 20 minutes without a score in the 2nd half letting them back into it after we were well in control.
Our poor shooting efficiency was highlighted by Cahair O'Kane in the Irish News before the Ulster final. We had 30 shots that day. If you're only scoring 50-60% of your shots, and you go 20-25 minutes every game without a score, you'll lose more than you win at the top level.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/06/2022 12:29:13
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rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2404 - 21/06/2022 12:45:35
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Replying To eunans4ever: "Expect all sorts of childish name calling now…." Are you reading my posts again. Does the truth hurt you too. Any chance of Rory kav taking the job on, then we might see Donegal playing expansive football. Ha,
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2404 - 21/06/2022 12:48:04
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Great to see pauric o 'shea talking some sense in the paper today. He stated we have a bunch and panel of players in the county that could match any other county, and that we simply were not getting the best out of them.
Stated that we are too passive in our approach and basically stated that was down to management and coaching. He also backed up what most posters on hear stated, that supporter's voted with there feet, and that was the reason for the poor support.
Exactly what management is there for, to improve players and get them playing as a team in an aggressive never say die attitude.
Its exactly what Mcguinness was critical of other teams for also, men back but no aggression.
Its a disheartening time for the county if our current management continues, as it will be the same passive approach that has been evident in every team he has managed.
And dont expect our county board to save Donegal football, as we seen there approach last year.
Worrying times for Donegal football i am afraid.
Back to the days pre 2011
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Replying To rorysboys: "Are you reading my posts again. Does the truth hurt you too. Any chance of Rory kav taking the job on, then we might see Donegal playing expansive football. Ha," U asked me no to reply to you anymore earlier which I haven't done.
Can you please show me the same respect.
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It would never happen because of the logistics and finances involved but it would be very interesting to see what kind of spin a Kerryman would put on our senior county team. Eamonn Fitzmaurice isn't the most exciting sounding on pundit or co-commentary duty but he is a very shrewd GAA man. I wonder what kind of alterations would someone like him make to our style?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9136 - 21/06/2022 14:50:09
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Replying To Lockjaw: "It would never happen because of the logistics and finances involved but it would be very interesting to see what kind of spin a Kerryman would put on our senior county team. Eamonn Fitzmaurice isn't the most exciting sounding on pundit or co-commentary duty but he is a very shrewd GAA man. I wonder what kind of alterations would someone like him make to our style?" I think it would be great news if Fitzmaurice joined up with the Donegal county management…. If only to get him off RTE….. I keep missing most games he co commentates on because I keep falling asleep
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 1927 - 21/06/2022 20:37:51
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Replying To The keeper: "Great to see pauric o 'shea talking some sense in the paper today. He stated we have a bunch and panel of players in the county that could match any other county, and that we simply were not getting the best out of them.
Stated that we are too passive in our approach and basically stated that was down to management and coaching. He also backed up what most posters on hear stated, that supporter's voted with there feet, and that was the reason for the poor support.
Exactly what management is there for, to improve players and get them playing as a team in an aggressive never say die attitude.
Its exactly what Mcguinness was critical of other teams for also, men back but no aggression.
Its a disheartening time for the county if our current management continues, as it will be the same passive approach that has been evident in every team he has managed.
And dont expect our county board to save Donegal football, as we seen there approach last year.
Worrying times for Donegal football i am afraid.
Back to the days pre 2011" Stop talking about Mc Guinness. Your like a broken record at this stage. You still didn't say who you wanted as manager. Is Mc Shea the new god of Donegal football. I don't buy that paper, too many pundits living in the past. Hopefully bonner will get the three years,
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Replying To eunans4ever: "U asked me no to reply to you anymore earlier which I haven't done.
Can you please show me the same respect." Is that the same respect you used to give fellow posters. Your some person to gave advice..chill out lad.
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