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Replying To williesboy:  "I think they knew going to Breffni that they couldn't match Cavan and basically threw the towel in with the team selection hoping it's gives them the edge going into the last"
you have to be joking

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 236 - 20/02/2023 10:31:19    2459294

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Replying To honda15:  "Thats the main problem you just highlighted. The underage systems in Longford are not good enough. The development squads in other counties are proper development squads focusing on physical development from u14s right up and its taken seriously. There is not enough emphasis on this in Longford and its showing big time as other counties are going further and further ahead."
Agree but physical thing not main issue whole structure underage and senior in terms football etc.

Also when you are playing players in wtong positions lookout by the way surely james mc givney should have been on yesterday

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 271 - 20/02/2023 10:36:56    2459299

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Replying To Gaaforlife2023:  "Agree but physical thing not main issue whole structure underage and senior in terms football etc.

Also when you are playing players in wtong positions lookout by the way surely james mc givney should have been on yesterday"
mcgivney isnt fit, did you not see the cavan half backs and there pace coming out with the ball. a brilliant footballer we need on the pitch definitly but needs to be fit

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 236 - 20/02/2023 10:48:13    2459304

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I think we just haven't got good enough players in the county in good enough numbers. It's that simple. Our best representative's over the last decade are on their way out. Some have even left only to end up coming back simply because they were still way better than the players coming through to replace them. Thinking the likes of Quinn, Gallagher, McGivney, Smyth, Mimnagh, Foy and a couple more. Even past their best, they are still the best around. I would not be surprised to see a few walk away early this year, a lot of effort to put in for a lot of hammerings. We have maybe 2 new players doing well over the last couple of years, Reynolds and Hagan, but realistically we need more than that as our team is starting to age. We have decent players coming through but are maybe 2/3/4 years away yet with some good underage players showing potential for the Mel's and County teams recently. For the interim, we are probably at Div 4 level (maybe a weak Div 3 if we are lucky and playing very well). I think lots of us got carried away with our best team beating a few development teams in the O'Byrne Cup. The worst thing that could happen now is to go through a period where we replace a manager every year through no fault of their own. Give him 3-4 years to build something. He needs it and no manager will win anything instantly with what is available.

botheyesclosed (Longford) - Posts: 115 - 20/02/2023 11:16:34    2459313

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Replying To botheyesclosed:  "I think we just haven't got good enough players in the county in good enough numbers. It's that simple. Our best representative's over the last decade are on their way out. Some have even left only to end up coming back simply because they were still way better than the players coming through to replace them. Thinking the likes of Quinn, Gallagher, McGivney, Smyth, Mimnagh, Foy and a couple more. Even past their best, they are still the best around. I would not be surprised to see a few walk away early this year, a lot of effort to put in for a lot of hammerings. We have maybe 2 new players doing well over the last couple of years, Reynolds and Hagan, but realistically we need more than that as our team is starting to age. We have decent players coming through but are maybe 2/3/4 years away yet with some good underage players showing potential for the Mel's and County teams recently. For the interim, we are probably at Div 4 level (maybe a weak Div 3 if we are lucky and playing very well). I think lots of us got carried away with our best team beating a few development teams in the O'Byrne Cup. The worst thing that could happen now is to go through a period where we replace a manager every year through no fault of their own. Give him 3-4 years to build something. He needs it and no manager will win anything instantly with what is available."
Agree. A few lads look visibly out of shape. The boss probably needs to start from scratch on baseline fitness & strength. We look tired and weak. I'm resigned to Division 4, but am happy to give the manager time to strip it all back and start again, and disrupt the hell out of the current underage structure too. The managers reputation is on the line as well, so everyone is motivated to make this work. But it won't just happen because it has to. It needs different ideas, more professionalism and significantly more investment in facilities and resources. Anyone who remembers Eugene McGee's scathing articles in the Leader in 1990's when we couldn't buy a win, won't want to return to those dark days.

Was sorry to see Motion 7 (co-sponsored by Clonguish) on going from U17 back to U18 at inter-county, defeated at Congress. Mixed opinions on this i'm sure, but it seemed like a sensible approach.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 505 - 20/02/2023 14:02:19    2459382

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Agree. A few lads look visibly out of shape. The boss probably needs to start from scratch on baseline fitness & strength. We look tired and weak. I'm resigned to Division 4, but am happy to give the manager time to strip it all back and start again, and disrupt the hell out of the current underage structure too. The managers reputation is on the line as well, so everyone is motivated to make this work. But it won't just happen because it has to. It needs different ideas, more professionalism and significantly more investment in facilities and resources. Anyone who remembers Eugene McGee's scathing articles in the Leader in 1990's when we couldn't buy a win, won't want to return to those dark days.

Was sorry to see Motion 7 (co-sponsored by Clonguish) on going from U17 back to U18 at inter-county, defeated at Congress. Mixed opinions on this i'm sure, but it seemed like a sensible approach."
i am sorry to say we are still living in those dark days. one trip to division 1 20 years ago followed by relegation, in division 2 ten years ago and bet in all our games. their has been no progress. full respect for everyone who pulls on the county jersey but there simply isnt anyone coming through near the likes off a paul barden, dermot brady, padraig davis, or dessie barry. underage is being dominated by one club clonguish fair play to them but we dont know how good they are because everyone else is so bad. look at the senior championship the two best players were declan reilly and francis mcgee both near 40!! go through all the clubs i bet you find there best players are in the 30s if you think its bad now its only getting worse for us. sorry for the pesimism but i fear for longfords future

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 236 - 20/02/2023 14:45:37    2459402

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Replying To slasher9:  "mcgivney isnt fit, did you not see the cavan half backs and there pace coming out with the ball. a brilliant footballer we need on the pitch definitly but needs to be fit"
Fair enough if he git shape he defo be one of pur hest players.

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 271 - 20/02/2023 15:21:58    2459428

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Last year we had an inexperienced manager in charge and lost a lot of players. While we agree that some of the players involved last year was not of intercounty standard and we made a lot of basic mistakes, the players fought to the best of their abilities. OK we did not show up in Belfast and were beaten by 10 points. Our other beatings were by 7 points or less.

This year, we have an experienced manager with a lot of the experienced players back. The worrying thing about our performances this year is our lack of heart. We gave up against Westmeath and were beaten before we took the pitch yesterday. In three matches this year we have been beaten by 7, 11 & 19 points. Ten of the lads who started yesterday were involved last year.
This year we could not have asked for more, and experienced manager and the best players all available. Where has it all gone wrong in 12 months.

Where are young prospects like Darragh Doherty, Dylan Farrell and Jack Duggan. They were some rays of hope last year. Any idea why Oran Kenny is not involved this year. He was a ball winner and a scorer.

B&G (Longford) - Posts: 296 - 20/02/2023 17:08:17    2459478

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Replying To B&G:  "Last year we had an inexperienced manager in charge and lost a lot of players. While we agree that some of the players involved last year was not of intercounty standard and we made a lot of basic mistakes, the players fought to the best of their abilities. OK we did not show up in Belfast and were beaten by 10 points. Our other beatings were by 7 points or less.

This year, we have an experienced manager with a lot of the experienced players back. The worrying thing about our performances this year is our lack of heart. We gave up against Westmeath and were beaten before we took the pitch yesterday. In three matches this year we have been beaten by 7, 11 & 19 points. Ten of the lads who started yesterday were involved last year.
This year we could not have asked for more, and experienced manager and the best players all available. Where has it all gone wrong in 12 months.

Where are young prospects like Darragh Doherty, Dylan Farrell and Jack Duggan. They were some rays of hope last year. Any idea why Oran Kenny is not involved this year. He was a ball winner and a scorer."
Longford not gone yet four matches remaining in the League and three of them at home Tipp, Offaly, Down Away, last game at home v Antrim could be huge and bear in mind other results need to could go their way as well the kick is the scoring diff Ant +1 2pts, Tipp 0pts -23, LD 0pts -37, but Longford still in with a chance after a tough opening, Fermanagh, Down and Offaly could be suck into this relegation battle yet!

pologrounds1947 (Cavan) - Posts: 24 - 20/02/2023 18:22:50    2459495

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Replying To slasher9:  "i am sorry to say we are still living in those dark days. one trip to division 1 20 years ago followed by relegation, in division 2 ten years ago and bet in all our games. their has been no progress. full respect for everyone who pulls on the county jersey but there simply isnt anyone coming through near the likes off a paul barden, dermot brady, padraig davis, or dessie barry. underage is being dominated by one club clonguish fair play to them but we dont know how good they are because everyone else is so bad. look at the senior championship the two best players were declan reilly and francis mcgee both near 40!! go through all the clubs i bet you find there best players are in the 30s if you think its bad now its only getting worse for us. sorry for the pesimism but i fear for longfords future"
We were never really a division 1 side that time as we were promoted from division 3 and the GAA decided to merge DIv 1 & 2 and call them 1A and 1B. The qualifiers have been our saviour over the last couple of decades and we have had a few great results but a decent Div3 side has been our level. A couple of years in Div 4 might allow us to rebuild without the large defeats that can be crushing to young lads starting an intercounty career. Also despite the run of results we need to always show respect for the lads who bust a gut and give up so much of their time to represent the county knowing that the chances of winning anything significant is very slim.

catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 20/02/2023 21:41:41    2459524

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Replying To catchturnscore:  "We were never really a division 1 side that time as we were promoted from division 3 and the GAA decided to merge DIv 1 & 2 and call them 1A and 1B. The qualifiers have been our saviour over the last couple of decades and we have had a few great results but a decent Div3 side has been our level. A couple of years in Div 4 might allow us to rebuild without the large defeats that can be crushing to young lads starting an intercounty career. Also despite the run of results we need to always show respect for the lads who bust a gut and give up so much of their time to represent the county knowing that the chances of winning anything significant is very slim."
We actually got promoted from Division 2B in 2003 to Division 1A in 2004. Beat Kerry and Westmeath in first two games, and then it all went south. Relegated to Division 2A for 2005. I never understood why we didn't go from 2B to 1B in 2004. The 1A/1B and 2A/2B structure had been around since 1999 and then moved to 1/2/3/4 divisions from 2008. We would definitely have been better off in 1B in 2004 (aka Division 2).

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 505 - 21/02/2023 12:54:23    2459576

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Replying To slasher9:  "i am sorry to say we are still living in those dark days. one trip to division 1 20 years ago followed by relegation, in division 2 ten years ago and bet in all our games. their has been no progress. full respect for everyone who pulls on the county jersey but there simply isnt anyone coming through near the likes off a paul barden, dermot brady, padraig davis, or dessie barry. underage is being dominated by one club clonguish fair play to them but we dont know how good they are because everyone else is so bad. look at the senior championship the two best players were declan reilly and francis mcgee both near 40!! go through all the clubs i bet you find there best players are in the 30s if you think its bad now its only getting worse for us. sorry for the pesimism but i fear for longfords future"
That Clonguish minor team played challenge games against some of the best teams around the midlands and beat them all. They went to Offaly and beat two of the best minor teams down there, went up to Cavan and did one on a team there and went over to Mayo twice and beat the 2 semi-finalists from there. So it is harsh to say that some of the clubs in the county wouldn't have any players able for county just because Clonguish are that good. The rest of the minor teams in Longford might actually be decent but they just came up against a once in a lifetime minor team with not one weakness in their team.

Oddball (Roscommon) - Posts: 904 - 21/02/2023 13:22:17    2459583

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "We actually got promoted from Division 2B in 2003 to Division 1A in 2004. Beat Kerry and Westmeath in first two games, and then it all went south. Relegated to Division 2A for 2005. I never understood why we didn't go from 2B to 1B in 2004. The 1A/1B and 2A/2B structure had been around since 1999 and then moved to 1/2/3/4 divisions from 2008. We would definitely have been better off in 1B in 2004 (aka Division 2)."
That wasn't the structure layout btw. It wasn't tiered 1A 1B as Divisions 1 and 2, and 2A and 2B as 3 and 4. 1A and 1B were a combination of the 2 top divisions (4 teams from each type of thing), with an even draw into them. Hence why the playoffs were the top 2 in semi finals. Promotion relegation was between the top 16 and bottom 16 and which A or B you were in didn't matter

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2422 - 21/02/2023 13:52:51    2459589

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "That wasn't the structure layout btw. It wasn't tiered 1A 1B as Divisions 1 and 2, and 2A and 2B as 3 and 4. 1A and 1B were a combination of the 2 top divisions (4 teams from each type of thing), with an even draw into them. Hence why the playoffs were the top 2 in semi finals. Promotion relegation was between the top 16 and bottom 16 and which A or B you were in didn't matter"
that was a fine longford team back then. i can't understand what has happened this current group of lads. hopefully you can start punching above your weight again.

Rossie4ever22 (Longford) - Posts: 2 - 21/02/2023 15:15:53    2459610

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Replying To Rossie4ever22:  "that was a fine longford team back then. i can't understand what has happened this current group of lads. hopefully you can start punching above your weight again."
What year did we beat yee in Div 4 League final?? It was in Croke Park I remember and must have been surely 10 years ago? Watching Paul Barden in full flight was an absolute joy, such a magnificent player.
Yee have come some journey since then and have remained so consistent.

Inatfullforward (Longford) - Posts: 93 - 21/02/2023 17:52:10    2459657

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Longford will beat Tipp and all will be forgiven.
On another note we fairly haemorrhage players when things aren't going good, Duggan gone along with a few others I believe

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 346 - 21/02/2023 18:36:08    2459665

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Replying To B&G:  "Last year we had an inexperienced manager in charge and lost a lot of players. While we agree that some of the players involved last year was not of intercounty standard and we made a lot of basic mistakes, the players fought to the best of their abilities. OK we did not show up in Belfast and were beaten by 10 points. Our other beatings were by 7 points or less.

This year, we have an experienced manager with a lot of the experienced players back. The worrying thing about our performances this year is our lack of heart. We gave up against Westmeath and were beaten before we took the pitch yesterday. In three matches this year we have been beaten by 7, 11 & 19 points. Ten of the lads who started yesterday were involved last year.
This year we could not have asked for more, and experienced manager and the best players all available. Where has it all gone wrong in 12 months.

Where are young prospects like Darragh Doherty, Dylan Farrell and Jack Duggan. They were some rays of hope last year. Any idea why Oran Kenny is not involved this year. He was a ball winner and a scorer."
Jack Duggan, Cian Dooner, Daniel Reynolds all very good footballers should be in playing for Longford seniors I can't understand it myself either. Bringing back the likes of Connerton down from Dublin and Foy with him playing for Lomans is just wrong in my opinion.

ballymore1967 (Longford) - Posts: 65 - 21/02/2023 19:41:25    2459678

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "That wasn't the structure layout btw. It wasn't tiered 1A 1B as Divisions 1 and 2, and 2A and 2B as 3 and 4. 1A and 1B were a combination of the 2 top divisions (4 teams from each type of thing), with an even draw into them. Hence why the playoffs were the top 2 in semi finals. Promotion relegation was between the top 16 and bottom 16 and which A or B you were in didn't matter"
Divisions 1A/1B and 2A/2B was running since 1998-99 league when that structure was introduced after they moved away from the Divisions 1-4 at the end of the 1996-97 season. I think they used the 1997-98 league as a means of re-arranging everyone into the new format. Correct me if I am wrong, but the promotion/relegation rules were...

Division 1A: Bottom 2 demoted to Division 2A
Division 1B: Bottom 2 demoted to Division 2B
Division 2A: Top 2 promoted to Division 1A
Division 2B: Top 2 promoted to Division 1B

In 2003 Longford topped the 2B table at the end of the league, with Wexford in 2nd place. Limerick and Westmeath ended up top of the 2A table on same points and same points difference. Westmeath and Limerick then beat Longford and Wexford in the Division 2 semi-finals and Westmeath beat Limerick in the Division 2 final.

In 2004 Longford and Westmeath were in 1A, while Limerick and Wexford were in 1B. I am not clear on how Longford ended up in 1A rather than 1B in 2004. It is a rabbit hole I know, but interesting to know the logic used.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 505 - 21/02/2023 20:23:03    2459683

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Divisions 1A/1B and 2A/2B was running since 1998-99 league when that structure was introduced after they moved away from the Divisions 1-4 at the end of the 1996-97 season. I think they used the 1997-98 league as a means of re-arranging everyone into the new format. Correct me if I am wrong, but the promotion/relegation rules were...

Division 1A: Bottom 2 demoted to Division 2A
Division 1B: Bottom 2 demoted to Division 2B
Division 2A: Top 2 promoted to Division 1A
Division 2B: Top 2 promoted to Division 1B

In 2003 Longford topped the 2B table at the end of the league, with Wexford in 2nd place. Limerick and Westmeath ended up top of the 2A table on same points and same points difference. Westmeath and Limerick then beat Longford and Wexford in the Division 2 semi-finals and Westmeath beat Limerick in the Division 2 final.

In 2004 Longford and Westmeath were in 1A, while Limerick and Wexford were in 1B. I am not clear on how Longford ended up in 1A rather than 1B in 2004. It is a rabbit hole I know, but interesting to know the logic used."
The point I meant is that the A and B didn't matter, it;s just teh way they split to have the regular 7 games for each team. They may have used that to go from 2A to 1A for simplicity at times, but that's it. They A and B weren't tiered over each other and other teams went from an A to a B or vice versa when going up or down. It was a 16 team Division 1 and 2 split. You going from 2B to 1A in 2004 wasn't a 4 division jump, it was just promotion to the next grouping of 16. 1B wasn't the Division 2 of it's time, it was one half of Division 1.

Look at the 97/98 league season link here. They did a full redraw of the league into 4 groups with teams from every grade in each group. The top 4 in each group became Division 1, the bottom 4 into Division 2. Then from next year each 16 were split into A and B. The B isn't a lesser grouping.

Oddly enough, I reckon we should go back to this. This current system is now 15 years old, and seeing as we have a split Championship based on League, it makes sense to have 16 in each in league as well. I think it'd work better for all teams and prevent teams pulling away at top, or falling away at the bottom.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2422 - 22/02/2023 09:46:26    2459703

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Replying To williesboy:  "Longford will beat Tipp and all will be forgiven.
On another note we fairly haemorrhage players when things aren't going good, Duggan gone along with a few others I believe"
no all wont be forgiven beating tipp is a minimum as there the other worst team in the league with all the players they have lost. That is sad to hear duggan is gone i dont recall him getting any game time it makes no sense! He was the star of last years u20s its the likes of him that needs to be brought on not auld fellas!!

slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 236 - 22/02/2023 10:04:07    2459708

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