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The fines are clearly not problematic for the clubs. The consequence should by definition be severe enough to force clubs to consider carefully avoiding unnecessary concessions. That clearly was not the case for those clubs I named who were complicit in walkovers this season. Didn't bother rocking up for two games, pay a small fine and carry on. And we wonder why competitions are a mess.
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 471 - 16/11/2021 10:55:53 2389612 Link 0 |
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Seemed mad that clubs had to play 3 rounds of the league without their county players AFTER the county footballers were knocked out of the championship. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 16/11/2021 11:05:25 2389617 Link 1 |
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u havent given a solution, what do you propose, a bigger fine or the team thrown out of the competition if they miss one match? on the other poster i would say i disagree completely with scraping the leader cup. the competitions are fine the league just needs to be finished before championship and to do that there needs to be less teams in division 1 thats all slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 233 - 16/11/2021 11:47:52 2389623 Link 0 |
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Fr Manning Gaels too deserve a some stick along with Dromard and Rathcline. Certain people on here slagging off Killoe is laughable too as themselves and St. Columbus have been leading the way for the last decade. williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 341 - 16/11/2021 11:48:49 2389624 Link 0 |
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Seems mad that clubs like Rathcline, Dromard, Granard and Fr. Manning Gaels (one of which has a large village population, and two of which have large town populations) would be conceding games in the league. Others didn't, even others badly impacted by the county player rule in those initial rounds. I don't believe any credible reason was given for those concessions, so it reflects poorly on the attitude of those clubs towards the competition. Bear in mind that all four of those clubs conceded games AFTER the county player ban had expired (after Round 5), two of them (Granard and Fr. Manning Gaels) just last weekend. If the clubs don't take the senior league seriously (club delegates agreed those rules on county players after all), what hope is there for the game progressing in the county. The 'pay fine and move on' approach will not create the right outcome here, unfortunately. LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 471 - 16/11/2021 12:21:03 2389632 Link 0 |
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What does everyone think about Mullinalaghtas hopes in Leinster now that opponents are all known? The route to a final for Mullinalaghtas would be Blessington at home, then Naas or Tullamore away in QF, then a semi-final in Croker against the Wexford or Carlow or Louth champions. Mullinalaghta might be the more seasoned on that side of the draw. Many of the big hitters are on the other side, so there is a route to a final for them if they can rise to it. Certainly a route to a day out in Croker for them. Would need a bigger performance than the final from hell we endured recently. arcadia (Longford) - Posts: 221 - 16/11/2021 12:32:37 2389638 Link 0 |
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Was at two games in longford at weekend and have to say the abuse towards referees and umpires was nothing short of shocking. Coming from players management and supporters and longford Gaa wonder why the are running out of refs manninggaels (Longford) - Posts: 107 - 16/11/2021 15:13:54 2389666 Link 0 |
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u still have not said what measure you would use against these clubs. what relevance has population got to do with weather a club fields in a senior league match? hahahah if that was teh case slashers would of won the league every year. reality is you arent going to get players to tog when the championship is over and there is nothing at stake in the league. population lol such a statement slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 233 - 16/11/2021 16:40:43 2389689 Link 0 |
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Population has relevance in understanding whether clubs are not fulfilling fixtures because of a lack of players. Towns in Longford should never be forfeiting fixtures due to lack of players. If they are, it is a prime example of a crisis in the game in the county (there is a distinct difference between whether population can win you titles versus whether it can give you the ability to field a team). The question to be asked here is why did those four clubs not fulfill their fixtures? What was the reason given in each case by Rathcline, Dromard, Granard and Fr. Manning Gaels? What was the reason why Granard didn't show up at the weekend or why the Gaels forfeited their match against Mostrim? The deterrent (a fine) clearly does not work in protecting the competition from those clubs bringing it into disrepute by not showing up. Imagine making a statement that lads playing for senior clubs in one of the county's premier competitions would not tog out because the championship is over or they are out of contention... lol, such a statement. Leagues have been going on after teams are out of championship for many many years now, and league final rounds involving teams who are no longer in contention has been around since the Leader Cup started in 1937. If you believe what you have written above about lads not bothering because there is nothing at stake, then the state of football in Longford is worse than imagined. PS - Dromard and Granard both conceded games in Round 4 and 5 respectively... neither was out of Championship or out of contention for the league at that stage. What was their excuse then? I don't know what measure will work, but the current measure clearly doesn't. You seem to think that a point raised about a problem has no relevance if it is not accompanied by the solution to that problem. What an odd mindset. LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 471 - 16/11/2021 19:25:14 2389713 Link 0 |
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it has no relevance, you realise population takes in women, children, sick and elderly. this is ridiculous, did you expect there managers to go around the estates knocking on doors to get lads to play? not many teams have panels more then 26, whats on your panel is all that counts. if u go back through the records the gaa in all counties was full of walkovers and teams not showing up. look i get why your ranting, your sour at granard for keeping mullinlaghta in contention after killoe were bet and are calling for punishment for all teams as a result. PS - one team you neglect to mention though is killoe, who didnt show up for a championship final, not a league match in november with little at stake - a CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL, as the sauce was more important with the senior lads. maybe look closer to home before trying to drag granard down who have made great strides in recent years slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 233 - 17/11/2021 08:48:26 2389724 Link 1 |
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No ACFL Division 1 in recent history in Longford has anywhere near the number of walkovers as this season. Still not heard any reason from you as to why Rathcline, Granard, Dromard and Fr. Manning Gaels decided not to fulfill their fixtures - can't in a million years be lack of players for most of those because of the population they have. Much smaller populations can dress up and show up. Why couldn't they? Granard were not going to beat Mullinalaghta in a million years, so you can bark up another tree there. And then you launch into whataboutery - nothing kills proper debate like whataboutery, and you are the master. You clearly don't understand the point I am making about the clubs who have treated the league with disrespect this season. I guess it is all not ad hominem enough for your taste. I will leave you to your trolling. It seems to be what you enjoy most. I will engage other users who seem to want to debate the substance of the issue rather than attack the man or spin off into whataboutery. Happy trolling.
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 471 - 17/11/2021 12:35:20 2389752 Link 0 |
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i do not know the stats but there have been plenty of walkovers in league over the years,plenty. why do u keep mentioning population. teams have a panel of about 26 and if a manager cant get those lads to play they arent going knocking on doors of others. no whataboutery here, the topic at hand is teams not showing up and your own club did it on one of the biggest days of the year, the junior championship final but you are on here crying about granard, drumlish rathcline and dromard over a couple of meaningless games in the league and are crying trolling now which is funny coming from a obvious rereg!!!!
slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 233 - 17/11/2021 14:21:00 2389763 Link 0 |
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Topic at hand is actually ACFL Division 1 and teams not showing up for that competition. Stick to the topic and debate the issue. I don't know what a rereg is, but I assume it's an ad hominem remark yet again, since that seems to be your MO on here. You have the view that lads won't tog out for games which are 'meaningless'. I disagree. Why would the Dromard and Granard games in Rounds 4 and 5 be 'meaningless'? League was not even half way gone and Championship hadn't started. The view that teams shouldn't be expected to play 'a couple of meaningless games in the league' is exactly the problem here. Are leagues now going to be played only by the teams who think they can win it, and everyone else should not show up if they think the game won't count? Are all competitions now going to be played on this basis? You can now Abbeylara to that list as they have conceded their final game versus Mullinalaghta and you can add Mostrim since they have now conceded their last three games. So that is a total of 17 ACFL Division 1 games conceded since mid July. Seventeen!!! By a long way more than any other season in division 1 in recent memory. Players wanted games, competitions were agreed and yet we end the division with 17 conceded games. Astonishing and needs more than a light touch fine and to be dismissed as a non story if people are serious about improving the qualify of football in the county. - Rathcline conceded 8 rounds. - Mostrim conceded 3 rounds. - Dromard conceded 2 rounds. - Granard conceded 2 rounds. - Fr. Manning Gaels conceded 1 round. - Abbeylara conceded 1 round. Mullinalaghta got 4 walkovers, Clonguish got 3 walkovers, Killoe, Dromard and Carrickedmond got 2 walkovers each, while Colmcille, Abbeylara, Fr. Manning Gaels and Mostrim all got 1 walkover each. (PS - Congrats to Mullinalaghta for winning ACFL Division 1). LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 471 - 17/11/2021 16:30:24 2389774 Link 0 |
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I'll tell you one measure that will work - stop finishing the league in October & November after the championship. I haven't played in a few years, but I can tell you any appetite for football for the year honestly vanished once championship was over. Nobody wants to play league matches in November, after training from the previous early January usually. iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 160 - 17/11/2021 16:30:43 2389775 Link 1 |
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Agree that league should be done before Championship for a bunch of reasons. This season started late due to lockdown and last years Championship was in there too, so I'd probably cut the CCC some slack this year for things stretching into November (other counties in same boat). But if we think the leagues of the past finished much earlier than this one, that was not the case for most of the past 10 years. I dug up stats for ACFL for past 10 years (excludes Leader Cup) from a bunch of web archives... 2021: Starts July, Ends Nov: 11 rounds, 17 walkovers. 2020: Not all games played due to Covid. 1 Walkover. 2019: Starts Mar, Ends Sep: 9 rounds, 0 walkovers. 2018: Starts Mar, Ends Aug: 9 rounds, 2 walkovers. 2017: Starts Apr, Ends Oct: 8 rounds, 1 walkover. 2016: Starts Mar, Ends Oct: 11 rounds, 4 walkovers. 2015: Starts Mar, Ends Nov: 11 rounds, 6 walkovers. 2014: Starts Mar, Ends Sep: 11 rounds, 7 walkovers. 2013: Starts Apr, Ends Oct: 11 rounds, 1 walkover. 2012: Starts Mar, Ends Oct: 11 rounds, 2 walkovers. ACFL ended in either October or November in 6 of the past 10 seasons, so that bit is not new, nor is the scenario of most teams having nothing to play for heading into the last few rounds (that has been the case forever). Having to play 5 rounds without county players was new this year, but all clubs in Division 1 should have enough resource in their squads to field without county lads. And yet Rathcline (8), Mostrim (3), Dromard (2), Granard (2), Abbeylara (1) and Fr. Manning Gaels (1) conceded games for no legitimate reason this year, and some conceded early and pre Championship. I won't labour the point further, but someone in CB needs to be looking at this and asking why, and if we don't debate the issue properly, rather than evade it or dilute with whataboutery or attack the man rather than the ball, things won't progress! LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 471 - 18/11/2021 09:27:34 2389811 Link 0 |
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there is no one attacking man or engaging in whataboutery here, thats a figment of your imagination and designed only to deflect from the behavior of your own club. you must of never been a player or with a team or youd know the difficulty there is in getting players out when there is nothing to play for after championship. they cannot be forced. the reasons for this year being an outlier should be obvious - no county players meant rathcline were hit hard and thrown out giving automatic walkovers, season dragging into mid november due to covid delays and no relegation meant there was only something to play for the teams up near a leader cup position. the solution is for league to be finished before championship and that should be the case now that there wont be delayed competitions going into next year anymore. you are very incensed by this, you should go about the proper channels and get your club to write to the clubs in question and county board and seek answers from them! congrats to mullinlaghta by my memory thats 4 Div 1 titles, 4 leader cups, 4 senior championships and a leinster since there breakthrough leader cup in 2013. magnificent slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 233 - 18/11/2021 10:28:40 2389822 Link 0 |
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Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with your point about the rise in walkovers this year. Just it is so infuriating that in a county the size of Longford, with no hurling fixtures to worry about, that the fixtures are always such a mess. It should be manageable to get this right for both league & championship. It will be interesting to see if the split club/county season will improve the lot for the average club player once we get a normal year without covid disruptions. I have a friend that plays junior rugby, and was always so envious in how he's given his fixture list at the start of the season and then he knows exactly when (even down to the day, not just the weekend) he's playing and can plan his breaks/holidays around it. iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 160 - 18/11/2021 10:53:07 2389826 Link 0 |
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When the county footballers were knocked out teams began conceding league games (without their county players) while at the same time looking to play challenge matches (with county players). This surely has to be looked at again. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 18/11/2021 10:58:43 2389827 Link 0 |
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Go back and have another look then and take off the Killoe blinkers this time.
Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1236 - 18/11/2021 12:46:53 2389860 Link 0 |
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The Dromard vs Mullinalaghta match was conceded because of Covid cases in Dromard. TurnipAyter (Longford) - Posts: 148 - 18/11/2021 21:36:12 2389931 Link 0 |