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Yes Clonguish are deservedly advancing based off Longford rules. However it's extremely rare that the criteria for teams ending on the same points would be judged off "score difference" from these 4 games rather than points obtained in total from the the 4 teams against each other. Remember these 4 teams form a mini championship by themselves when they all land on the same points. My example means that on score difference between the 4 teams, remember it's only judged off these 4 teams, Clonguish would advance, but if it had been determined off "points obtained" from those 4 teams Points from the games against each other, Dromard would be through. The table would look like.. Mullinalaghta - 4 points Carrickedmond - 3 points Dromard - 3 points Clonguish - 2 points This is just an observation, and something for Longford GAA to consider changing in the future but the Clonguish Club, based on 'Longford ruling', are of course more than justified to advance. However, Score difference should never be used when more than 3 teams are level, always total points obtained from the games played between the teams involved should be used. It's an oversight on the Longford GAA bye laws. WmeathWarrior (Westmeath) - Posts: 36 - 04/09/2024 08:32:27 2568339 Link 0 |
That rule would only be brought in if one team beat the other 3 teams, which didn't happen. That's when the score difference was brought in. Reports I'm hearing now, is that the referee changed his report and Mullinalgahta have been awarded the win. Dromard are through and Carrickedmond are out. But I wouldn't say Carrick will go quietly!! Q/F pairings Killoe v Dromard Abbeylara v Rathcline Mullinalaghta v Granard Clonguish v Colmcille Frank74 (Longford) - Posts: 166 - 04/09/2024 10:10:13 2568358 Link 0 |
Longford Leader confirming this morning that Mullinalaghta have lodged an objection. This will all be sorted before the weekend I reckon and Mullinalaghta confirmed winner by a point. That will correct the quarters to... LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 553 - 04/09/2024 11:04:31 2568378 Link 0 |
Why would there be a review? The referee made a mistake. He's human like everyone else, even you, so we can't prevent re-occurrence of these kind of things. It's part and parcel of the game, it is just very unfortunate that one team is going to get hard done by.
liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 248 - 04/09/2024 11:27:08 2568381 Link 0 |
They can't just replay Mull and Carrick, when all other games are finished. Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1314 - 04/09/2024 12:29:03 2568392 Link 1 |
Nobody has sight of the referee's report yet, so nobody knows whether this is a simple error or not yet. If the referee's report acknowledges the error, no issue. If it doesn't and the correction of the result is down solely to the Mullinalaghta objection coupled with the Clubber footage, then there needs to be a review because that signals a problem that will lead to re-occurrence.
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 553 - 04/09/2024 13:15:14 2568402 Link 0 |
It truly is a worrying time for all concerned with Longford football matters. I trust that this debacle will be resolved soon with no issues. eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 258 - 04/09/2024 13:31:34 2568406 Link 0 |
Yes human error can happen all the time but the impact of this error impacts every team in the senior championship regardless of QF pairing or relegation pairings!! It should not happen in an Senior championship game with 1 Ref 2 Linesmen and 4 neural umpires, that is basically 7 officials at the game and only 1 person is keeping the score??? This has to be looked at on the future, human error cannot be an excuse!! Garmin (Longford) - Posts: 94 - 04/09/2024 14:17:36 2568412 Link 2 |
If the Mullinaughta appeal is successful, will Carrickedmond lodge a counter objection that they were playing to the referee's whistle. If they were a point behind (as it turned out there was) surely the referee would have allowed time for an equilizer. He played over 6 minutes anyhow. This process could be a long drawn out affair. B&G (Longford) - Posts: 346 - 04/09/2024 15:29:47 2568433 Link 0 |
The referee in question admitted he made an error.
maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 211 - 04/09/2024 15:32:16 2568434 Link 0 |
The reason it was decided that way is because of the national directive from the GAA. This caused controversy last year in other counties. However it is the rule nationwide so there is no chance of it changing. It is not a Longford bye law.
Clonbonnyrabbitt (Longford) - Posts: 37 - 04/09/2024 16:03:32 2568439 Link 0 |
It has to be an error unless you think it was deliberate?
liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 248 - 04/09/2024 16:25:49 2568442 Link 0 |
Correct
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1887 - 04/09/2024 16:40:28 2568446 Link 0 |
Whether he might play for a draw is not the major issue. If you are Carrickedmond, you were playing for a draw on the basis of what the official in charge of the game told you the score was. The official providing you with the incorrect score has a massive effect on how you play out the last few minutes of the game. I don't think it can be ignored that he 'falsified' the score at half time, so it changed the course of the entire second half. If he just made the mistake at the end of the game, I don't think Carrickedmond could have any arguments.
GAALONGFORD (Longford) - Posts: 33 - 04/09/2024 17:46:23 2568460 Link 0 |
You'd have to assume that Mullinalaghta are appealing on the basis that there can't be a replay. Why bother risking that possibility.
maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 211 - 04/09/2024 18:07:06 2568467 Link 0 |
This is not correct. There was confusion last year because some counties opted to have their own method in their bye laws rather than follow the national guidelines. Look at the Longford GAA website, we have our own bye laws for determining standings in the event of three or more teams finishing level. This year's Leinster and Munster hurling championships would have been decided in a different manner to each other had this situation arisen
liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 248 - 04/09/2024 18:27:50 2568469 Link 0 |
The best way to solve this mess is to start the championship again drunkensailor (Longford) - Posts: 83 - 04/09/2024 18:54:32 2568471 Link 0 |
Source?
LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 553 - 04/09/2024 19:13:43 2568474 Link 0 |
If you go back to page 141 of this thread and look at this post from before the weekend, it quotes the National Code for this year 2024, which says that counties can use either those rules or define their own, which Longford has done. I don't see where the talk of a replay has come from - this is a case of an incorrectly-tallied score by the referee in a group stage game (i.e. any individual game counts for the same in terms of points and qualification as any other) and there can only be two outcomes: 1. the referee's score is corrected 2. the referee's score stands with either Dromard or Carrickedmond going through in each situation. Mullinalaghta qualify under either scenario, and the notion that, having already been disadvantaged by having a non-existent point given against them, they should then be further disadvantaged by having that guaranteed qualification put in jeopardy through a replay of a match that has already been played in full, is for the birds. The circumstances of the Kildare game last month where there was a replay were entirely different (a winner-on-the-day match that was not completed as it should have been because of an incorrect score forestalling extra time being played). And I suspect that hypotheticals about "if only we'd known" will not carry much weight in an appeals process; there's no guarantee, speaking from bitter experience, that going for a goal rather than a point will yield either. TurnipAyter (Longford) - Posts: 161 - 05/09/2024 01:44:23 2568509 Link 1 |
Maybe you are correct. Normally playing rules across the board are universal. A Co Boards website isn't always correct.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1887 - 05/09/2024 08:33:28 2568520 Link 0 |