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Replying To Square_B: "Marketing costs money and there comes a point where spending additional money on marketing doesn't translate into extra revenue and that in reality is what pays to keep the lights on. I recall that there used to be an 'up for the match' night in the Bush Hotel years ago but it obviously fell by the wayside as it was dependant on people giving their time to it for free and there was no real monetary benefit to it as it wasn't sponsored by anyone. I extremely doubt that Leitrim GAA were paying Breifne to promote GAA in the county and anything he gained from it was from the sponsorship he gained (if any at all) via his own website. And lets be honest, how much marketing of the GAA is needed in a small county like Leitrim? There's a club in nearly every mid sized parish from Kinlough to Carrigallen... it's in the Leitrim Observer every week... most clubs have their own website & Facebook / Twitter pages... It's hard to miss. You're either interested or not. However I do feel we don't do PR great (as opposed to marketing) in the GAA... try finding out about anything at local / national level (in my experience) it's not always straight forward. Try getting involved and it's not always as inclusive as it should be (well in my experience, others may have a completely different view). At the end of it all the majority of people give up their time for free to run the nuts and bolts of the organisation and that has to be respected also." "There's a club in nearly every mid sized parish from Kinlough to Carrigallen"
I presume you were saying from the most extreme north of the County to the most extreme south of the County.
Ah. 1.The parish isn't called the Kinlough Parish.
2. Leitrim goes over 4km further north of Kinlough to the village of Tullaghan on the wild Atlantic way.
Melvin Gaels as you know have their pitch in Kinlough but the parish isn't called Kinlough
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Replying To Shannonview: ""There's a club in nearly every mid sized parish from Kinlough to Carrigallen"
I presume you were saying from the most extreme north of the County to the most extreme south of the County.
Ah. 1.The parish isn't called the Kinlough Parish.
2. Leitrim goes over 4km further north of Kinlough to the village of Tullaghan on the wild Atlantic way.
Melvin Gaels as you know have their pitch in Kinlough but the parish isn't called Kinlough" Theres a geography lesson I didn't need.
leitrimlad15 (Leitrim) - Posts: 73 - 16/10/2023 17:24:17
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Replying To Shannonview: ""There's a club in nearly every mid sized parish from Kinlough to Carrigallen"
I presume you were saying from the most extreme north of the County to the most extreme south of the County.
Ah. 1.The parish isn't called the Kinlough Parish.
2. Leitrim goes over 4km further north of Kinlough to the village of Tullaghan on the wild Atlantic way.
Melvin Gaels as you know have their pitch in Kinlough but the parish isn't called Kinlough" Well holy god... You came here to tell me that? I'm embarrassed for you.
Care to comment on the main points of the post as apposed to a throw away comment about club / parishes from Kinlough to Carrigallen?
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 886 - 16/10/2023 17:44:22
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Any new players added to Andy Morans current crop
Or any players no longer committing. We need all that was there last year to commit. I was at a number of games this year and thought the St.Mary's midfielder Renoylds decent and surely worth a call up at least. Ryan O'Rourke's availability is crucial to Andy Moran I feel. I'd hope Keith Berine gets good recovery over the winter and he can reach the heights of 2 years ago. Any new names to add to the list. I didn't see to many in the games I was at
Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 442 - 17/10/2023 15:47:02
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Replying To Champotime18: "Any new players added to Andy Morans current crop
Or any players no longer committing. We need all that was there last year to commit. I was at a number of games this year and thought the St.Mary's midfielder Renoylds decent and surely worth a call up at least. Ryan O'Rourke's availability is crucial to Andy Moran I feel. I'd hope Keith Berine gets good recovery over the winter and he can reach the heights of 2 years ago. Any new names to add to the list. I didn't see to many in the games I was at" Tbh I'm not too bothered with the senior team. We're not going to get out of div 4 this year. I'm very excited by the u20 team though. I hope this year the county board can make an agreement with the u20 and senior management to leave all eligible u20 players to play u20s. This has worked well in recent years with the likes of Cork and Offaly.
There's some brilliant players in this group and I believe they are our strongest team in years. They've a real chance of going far. Tbh though I think a change in manager is needed the current u20 manager doesn't steer away from the players he knows and doesn't even conduct trials. Some excellent players last year like Conor Canning (Aughavas), Sammon (Aughnasheelin) and Hackett (Carrigallen) were left out.
There's some top class players this year of age that have serious senior football pedigree. St Marys Regan Guckian and Casey, the likes of McNulty in Manor, Cox in Annaduff, Honeyman and Moran in Ballinamore are all great players. But there is also savage footballers that might be unknown by some like Tom Plunkett of Aughawillan, Jack Foley of kiltubrid, Allen gaels mcmorrow and Jake tobin, Ryan Cunningham Brendan naughton and Nathan Ward of gortletteragh and Tom Hughes of Manorhamilton. I think this is an exciting group of players that if coached right and left alone by the senior management it could give us Leitrim folk something to get behind for the first time in years.
Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 262 - 17/10/2023 17:50:34
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Replying To Champotime18: "Any new players added to Andy Morans current crop
Or any players no longer committing. We need all that was there last year to commit. I was at a number of games this year and thought the St.Mary's midfielder Renoylds decent and surely worth a call up at least. Ryan O'Rourke's availability is crucial to Andy Moran I feel. I'd hope Keith Berine gets good recovery over the winter and he can reach the heights of 2 years ago. Any new names to add to the list. I didn't see to many in the games I was at" Should be doing everything they can to get Ryan Donohoe. Would make a massive difference. Looks every bit as good as his uncle was
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Replying To gaelsboy: "likely wont happen again IMO but Marys 2nd team well capable of winning Sunday and holding their own in Inter, if they can keep the young lads coming through they would well win it in a few years. Marys and (strangely when they cant get out of inter, and I think this statement will still stand Monday) Annaduff only clubs with strong 2nd teams now, most other senior clubs reserves are down in junior B" Did annaduff manage to get out of inter?
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Are the attendance in Leitrim club football way down in the last few years? I was at a few Roscommon and Longford games over the last 2 months and we don't seem to be well supported in comparison. Compared to 10/15 years ago, there is a sharp decline.
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Replying To Thejampot: "Should be doing everything they can to get Ryan Donohoe. Would make a massive difference. Looks every bit as good as his uncle was" Who?
Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 262 - 18/10/2023 10:10:12
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Replying To Leitrimlad123: "Did annaduff manage to get out of inter?" They did. They now look to have a bit of strength in depth off the bench plus a matchwinner in Darren Cox, combined with some other county minors eligible next year they will stay up in senior and even grab a quarter final place if the draws are kind
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 508 - 18/10/2023 10:30:31
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Replying To Thejampot: "Should be doing everything they can to get Ryan Donohoe. Would make a massive difference. Looks every bit as good as his uncle was" Ryan donohoe is in with Cavan, he was in last year also but should be a starting player this year he has made huge strides., I know he is from ballinamore but he has played all his football in Cavan with Gowna, similar to Tom Plunkett he is from corlough but has played his football in Leitrim with Aughawillan.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 18/10/2023 10:39:59
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Replying To Thejampot: "Should be doing everything they can to get Ryan Donohoe. Would make a massive difference. Looks every bit as good as his uncle was" There won't be hectic changes I would say.
From last year's panel Paddy Maguire, Domhnail Flynn, Jack Heslin, Fergal Mctague and Tom Quinn are all gone for next year.
Doubts over James Rooney Shane Quinn.
Oisin McLoughlin is recovering from a serious injury but all going well should be back for the national league.
Still no word on who the under 20 management will be and this will be significant as there'll be numerous players crossing over between both squads and we all know how much conflict this caused between the senior management and Benny Guckian last year (and with some club managers). I'd be very excited about his crop of U20s. Talk is a lot of our senior players will be stepping away after the 2024 season so hopefully they will be ready to step up.
Talk is that Jack Gilheany and Shane Moran have been sounded out about returning they would both be huge additions.
If Michael McWeeney was sticking around for the year I would be trying to get him back involved.
As another poster suggested I'd be doing everything to try and convince Ryan Donoghue - His circumstances are strange (and so be it) but it doesn't look like he will be breaking into Cavan's Midfield anytime soon. He's be a great addition.
I'll have a guess at the squad here: (Could well be missing one or two and I've put a star beside ones who theres a doubt over.
Goalkeepers:
Killian Gaffey, Nevin O'Donnell, Darren Maxwell
Defenders:
Mark Diffley, Donal Casey, Conor Reynolds, Cillian McGloin, Adam Reynolds, Mark Plunkett, Michael McKiernan, Radek Oberwan, Shane Quinn**,
Midfielders:
Pearce Dolan, Jack Gilheany**, Donal Wrynn, Gavin Reynolds, Dean McGovern,
Forwards:
Ryan O'Rourke, Darragh Rooney, Keith Beirne***, Evan Sweeney, Jordan Reynolds, Riordan O'Rourke, Paul Keaney, Diarmuid Kelleher, Aidan Flynn, Barry McNulty, Shane Moran
U20s Crossover:
Paul Moran, Jack Casey, Tom Plunkett
Club Breakdown:
St Mary's: 7
Ballinamore: 5
Fenagh: 4
Mohill: 3
Glencar: 2
Aughawillan: 3
Leitrim Gaels: 2
Melvin Gaels: 1
Annaduff: 1
Allen Gaels: 1
Other: 2
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Replying To Leitrim1234: "There won't be hectic changes I would say.
From last year's panel Paddy Maguire, Domhnail Flynn, Jack Heslin, Fergal Mctague and Tom Quinn are all gone for next year.
Doubts over James Rooney Shane Quinn.
Oisin McLoughlin is recovering from a serious injury but all going well should be back for the national league.
Still no word on who the under 20 management will be and this will be significant as there'll be numerous players crossing over between both squads and we all know how much conflict this caused between the senior management and Benny Guckian last year (and with some club managers). I'd be very excited about his crop of U20s. Talk is a lot of our senior players will be stepping away after the 2024 season so hopefully they will be ready to step up.
Talk is that Jack Gilheany and Shane Moran have been sounded out about returning they would both be huge additions.
If Michael McWeeney was sticking around for the year I would be trying to get him back involved.
As another poster suggested I'd be doing everything to try and convince Ryan Donoghue - His circumstances are strange (and so be it) but it doesn't look like he will be breaking into Cavan's Midfield anytime soon. He's be a great addition.
I'll have a guess at the squad here: (Could well be missing one or two and I've put a star beside ones who theres a doubt over.
Goalkeepers:
Killian Gaffey, Nevin O'Donnell, Darren Maxwell
Defenders:
Mark Diffley, Donal Casey, Conor Reynolds, Cillian McGloin, Adam Reynolds, Mark Plunkett, Michael McKiernan, Radek Oberwan, Shane Quinn**,
Midfielders:
Pearce Dolan, Jack Gilheany**, Donal Wrynn, Gavin Reynolds, Dean McGovern,
Forwards:
Ryan O'Rourke, Darragh Rooney, Keith Beirne***, Evan Sweeney, Jordan Reynolds, Riordan O'Rourke, Paul Keaney, Diarmuid Kelleher, Aidan Flynn, Barry McNulty, Shane Moran
U20s Crossover:
Paul Moran, Jack Casey, Tom Plunkett
Club Breakdown:
St Mary's: 7
Ballinamore: 5
Fenagh: 4
Mohill: 3
Glencar: 2
Aughawillan: 3
Leitrim Gaels: 2
Melvin Gaels: 1
Annaduff: 1
Allen Gaels: 1
Other: 2" Good insight and knowledge well done poster. If the u20 team is as exciting as said here and I have no reason to believe it isn't then a no brainier of the county board is to convince Mickey Graham to take the u20s this year and be the cross over between u20 & senior team. Leitrim would arguably have the best u20 manager in the country and he will also be potentially the senior manager come the end of next year and will be managing a number of these players in a year or 2 anyways. Tbf to Brendan Guckin he did a decent job with the u20s last year but isn't the name that players will commit to compared to Graham
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Replying To Champotime18: "Good insight and knowledge well done poster. If the u20 team is as exciting as said here and I have no reason to believe it isn't then a no brainier of the county board is to convince Mickey Graham to take the u20s this year and be the cross over between u20 & senior team. Leitrim would arguably have the best u20 manager in the country and he will also be potentially the senior manager come the end of next year and will be managing a number of these players in a year or 2 anyways. Tbf to Brendan Guckin he did a decent job with the u20s last year but isn't the name that players will commit to compared to Graham" I forgot
Conor Dwyer (Fenagh)
Stephen McLoughlin (Kiltubrid)
Conor Farrell (St Mary's) - I personally think he may be not of the required standard but we are really struggling defensively if you look at the above group.
Not hard to make a list like this to be fair as we have such a small pick and thankfully the rate of Turnover has slowed in the last few years (which the management have to be complimented for)
Conor Hackett (St Mary's) will also be looked at I'm assuming after some good showings in the club championship. Not sure what age profile he is.
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Replying To Champotime18: "Good insight and knowledge well done poster. If the u20 team is as exciting as said here and I have no reason to believe it isn't then a no brainier of the county board is to convince Mickey Graham to take the u20s this year and be the cross over between u20 & senior team. Leitrim would arguably have the best u20 manager in the country and he will also be potentially the senior manager come the end of next year and will be managing a number of these players in a year or 2 anyways. Tbf to Brendan Guckin he did a decent job with the u20s last year but isn't the name that players will commit to compared to Graham" Probably one of the best ideas I've heard in recent years. I just hope all the u20's are left to play u20's. Both of these ideas would be great but probably won't happen.
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Replying To leitrimlad15: "Are the attendance in Leitrim club football way down in the last few years? I was at a few Roscommon and Longford games over the last 2 months and we don't seem to be well supported in comparison. Compared to 10/15 years ago, there is a sharp decline." I don't think Carrick and Mohill are particularly well supported hence small crowd at the final. The fact that it was in telly probably kept alit of neutrals away. There was a great crowd at Ballinamore and Manorhamilton quarter final for example.
Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 151 - 18/10/2023 21:13:45
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Eslin stayed up, no first team in Junior B for another while anyway. Up by 9 points at half time but just got over the line at the end. Mohill brought on 4 subs including bringing Daniel beck and Ciaran Kennedy out of retirement. A local derby brought a big crowd to the game in Gortletteragh.
Any reason why the game took 5 weeks to play from the last game? I know its relegation but surely not fair on the players/management hanging around waiting on game for that length. By all accounts both Mohill and Eslin wanted to play it and get it done but was held up and scheduled at the end of October for some reason.
Most teams were affected the same with their 2nd team playing. Why were there different rules applied here? Below just ta few examples.
• Annaduff 2nd team played the Junior QF the day after their 1st team Intermediate QF. Their Junior SF the week before the intermediate SF (This was changed due to the pitch but was scheduled as such)
• Carrick 2nd team had to play the SF the week before their Senior Final.
• Melvin 2nd played the Junior QF when their 1st was still in the intermediate
• Gortletteragh 2nd played Junior QF the day after their relegation semi.
• Both senior and intermediate relegation had 2 games and finished within 4 weeks. (2 weeks semi and 2 weeks final). I'm sure they had 2nd team playing in these weeks too.
I know it isn't the priority but, in this case, surely junior relegation should go ahead within a reasonable time frame rather than dragging it out.
Hard Luck to Glenfarne in their final. Carrick were supposedly the better team, but I have a soft spot for a small club.
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Replying To leitrimlad15: "Eslin stayed up, no first team in Junior B for another while anyway. Up by 9 points at half time but just got over the line at the end. Mohill brought on 4 subs including bringing Daniel beck and Ciaran Kennedy out of retirement. A local derby brought a big crowd to the game in Gortletteragh.
Any reason why the game took 5 weeks to play from the last game? I know its relegation but surely not fair on the players/management hanging around waiting on game for that length. By all accounts both Mohill and Eslin wanted to play it and get it done but was held up and scheduled at the end of October for some reason.
Most teams were affected the same with their 2nd team playing. Why were there different rules applied here? Below just ta few examples.
• Annaduff 2nd team played the Junior QF the day after their 1st team Intermediate QF. Their Junior SF the week before the intermediate SF (This was changed due to the pitch but was scheduled as such)
• Carrick 2nd team had to play the SF the week before their Senior Final.
• Melvin 2nd played the Junior QF when their 1st was still in the intermediate
• Gortletteragh 2nd played Junior QF the day after their relegation semi.
• Both senior and intermediate relegation had 2 games and finished within 4 weeks. (2 weeks semi and 2 weeks final). I'm sure they had 2nd team playing in these weeks too.
I know it isn't the priority but, in this case, surely junior relegation should go ahead within a reasonable time frame rather than dragging it out.
Hard Luck to Glenfarne in their final. Carrick were supposedly the better team, but I have a soft spot for a small club." If I am not mistaking there is now little or no cross over between first and second teams when you come to knockout stages. Any player that players for his first team at 1/4 final stage can no longer play for the clubs second team. So teams playing one day after another has no effect on who's available. I open to correction on that
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Replying To Champotime18: "If I am not mistaking there is now little or no cross over between first and second teams when you come to knockout stages. Any player that players for his first team at 1/4 final stage can no longer play for the clubs second team. So teams playing one day after another has no effect on who's available. I open to correction on that" Yes that is correct. I think they need to relook at it again. Every year we have young lads playing first round of champo then maybe only getting a few mins or maybe none after that. They can't play 2nd team so they get no minutes to develop. I know people can blame the clubs but clubs with small numbers can't redecide who's gonna be fit etc for first round of champo. I'd propose bringing back u18, have a more meaningful u20/u21/u22 competition and have a rule that all players u23 can play Junior no matter if they play first team.
Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 262 - 19/10/2023 14:21:49
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Replying To Champotime18: "If I am not mistaking there is now little or no cross over between first and second teams when you come to knockout stages. Any player that players for his first team at 1/4 final stage can no longer play for the clubs second team. So teams playing one day after another has no effect on who's available. I open to correction on that" I believe the rule only applies to teams with reserve teams in Inter or Junior A. So as long as your 2nd team is junior b or c and you are not in 1st 17 (or 18, not sure which it is?) you can play for either team for rest of championship. Quite sure Gortlettragh had a good scatter if 1st team players on their junior b wining team last year.
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