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Replying To leitrim4sam:  "I agree that senior should be 8 teams, intermediate should be 8 teams and junior A should be 7 teams.

All first teams no second strings allowed. Only three first teams currently in the junior championship is ridiculous.

What an improvement this would bring about."
As a man from a struggling first team in Leitrim, I do prefer and see first teams competing and winning their respective competitions rather than seeing a second team do so. However, as much as I would like to be selfish and agree with you, why should second teams be punished for having a string second team?

This is more or less what you have in the current league structure. Fair that its competitive at the minute and a number of teams taken points off each other. But then you have to look at the hammerings some second teams are handing out in the reserve league 1. Mohill second team is a +101.. I repeat a +101 after 7 games, 2 of which were walk overs so technically 5 games.

It's not fair on the weaker second teams and in my opinion would only turn players off from the said 'weaker' second teams and they might end up quitting football completely.

leitrimlad15 (Leitrim) - Posts: 52 - 21/07/2023 08:27:59    2495917

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Replying To leitrimlad15:  "As a man from a struggling first team in Leitrim, I do prefer and see first teams competing and winning their respective competitions rather than seeing a second team do so. However, as much as I would like to be selfish and agree with you, why should second teams be punished for having a string second team?

This is more or less what you have in the current league structure. Fair that its competitive at the minute and a number of teams taken points off each other. But then you have to look at the hammerings some second teams are handing out in the reserve league 1. Mohill second team is a +101.. I repeat a +101 after 7 games, 2 of which were walk overs so technically 5 games.

It's not fair on the weaker second teams and in my opinion would only turn players off from the said 'weaker' second teams and they might end up quitting football completely."
Mohill and Carrick will always have 2nd teams able to compete at junior A/intermediate level, big population but also they compete for and win senior titles regularly and that drives on the standards of lower teams, gets out lads that might not be bothered otherwise etc. I do not think there is much the county board can do about that.. force a quarter of each teams panel to move out and join eslin or leitrim gaels?
kinda is what it is.

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 404 - 21/07/2023 18:45:51    2496033

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Replying To leitrimlad15:  "As a man from a struggling first team in Leitrim, I do prefer and see first teams competing and winning their respective competitions rather than seeing a second team do so. However, as much as I would like to be selfish and agree with you, why should second teams be punished for having a string second team?

This is more or less what you have in the current league structure. Fair that its competitive at the minute and a number of teams taken points off each other. But then you have to look at the hammerings some second teams are handing out in the reserve league 1. Mohill second team is a +101.. I repeat a +101 after 7 games, 2 of which were walk overs so technically 5 games.

It's not fair on the weaker second teams and in my opinion would only turn players off from the said 'weaker' second teams and they might end up quitting football completely."
Spot on. Teams should be free to find their own level. The idea that somehow an intermediate or junior championship will be stronger if only first teams are involved is nonsense to be perfectly honest. As has been already said this will only deter decent players from strong clubs who can't get on their first team from playing altogether.

TheCartownBus2 (Leitrim) - Posts: 42 - 21/07/2023 20:35:21    2496040

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How come the Cloone and Drumkeerin Division 3 promotion match didn't take place yesterday evening? See on Leitrim gaa website it's been refixed for Monday evening.

green.and.gold (Leitrim) - Posts: 426 - 23/07/2023 08:29:11    2496209

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Why did Manor concede their game to Ballinamore last month that ended up getting them relegated?

SeanMacDiarmada (Leitrim) - Posts: 376 - 23/07/2023 10:51:02    2496228

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Replying To green.and.gold:  "How come the Cloone and Drumkeerin Division 3 promotion match didn't take place yesterday evening? See on Leitrim gaa website it's been refixed for Monday evening."
Apparently the pitch was unplayable...

Creidim... (Leitrim) - Posts: 45 - 23/07/2023 17:35:47    2496310

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Replying To SeanMacDiarmada:  "Why did Manor concede their game to Ballinamore last month that ended up getting them relegated?"
Stag night apparently. Awful reason to be relegated, the way Ballinamore are going they'd probably have them and so stayed up.

meathbasedfan (Leitrim) - Posts: 41 - 24/07/2023 08:14:32    2496454

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Replying To SeanMacDiarmada:  "Why did Manor concede their game to Ballinamore last month that ended up getting them relegated?"
Stag of Paddy McGuire's brother so most of the team was away at it. Don't know if Manor tried to reschedule or just conceded it though.

leitrimlad15 (Leitrim) - Posts: 52 - 24/07/2023 10:34:52    2496474

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Replying To SeanMacDiarmada:  "Why did Manor concede their game to Ballinamore last month that ended up getting them relegated?"
They had a stag party that weekend apparently.

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 404 - 24/07/2023 11:16:36    2496480

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Manors day is done. Time for them to move over and let someone else take up the mantle of Leitrims best club team!!

Zucker (Leitrim) - Posts: 149 - 24/07/2023 14:30:46    2496560

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Replying To Zucker:  "Manors day is done. Time for them to move over and let someone else take up the mantle of Leitrims best club team!!"
DING DING... 'WUM' ALERT....

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 701 - 24/07/2023 22:00:33    2496673

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Replying To Square_B:  "DING DING... 'WUM' ALERT...."
to say the least!
I think it a strange decision to have to concede a first team game but when there is no other repercussions bar a small fine and the points- mohill and Marys have conceded game this year when lower teams played. They may slightly regret this but it does not look like they have the quality and strength in depth to compete at the top level anymore

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 404 - 25/07/2023 10:34:04    2496729

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Replying To gaelsboy:  "to say the least!
I think it a strange decision to have to concede a first team game but when there is no other repercussions bar a small fine and the points- mohill and Marys have conceded game this year when lower teams played. They may slightly regret this but it does not look like they have the quality and strength in depth to compete at the top level anymore"
It's surely a bad look for a 'supposed' big club when we have other rural clubs in Leitrim busting their ***** to put teams out... the embarrassment of how it happened should be enough, but I wouldn't be against a hefty fine either. I'd be pretty embarrassed if I was a member of the club to be honest... better to put out a team, fulfil the fixture and get bet off the field as opposed to conceding. But I guess it will be all forgotten about come August and we'll go on not being a serious footballing county for another year at least anyhow....

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 701 - 25/07/2023 20:28:21    2496933

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Replying To gaelsboy:  "to say the least!
I think it a strange decision to have to concede a first team game but when there is no other repercussions bar a small fine and the points- mohill and Marys have conceded game this year when lower teams played. They may slightly regret this but it does not look like they have the quality and strength in depth to compete at the top level anymore"
County board should not of let mohill away with what they done. Should of been a fine and points deduction for both of their teams. But nothing done and they get play in two finals. Very on fair on other clubs

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 230 - 26/07/2023 10:54:07    2496996

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Quick Fire Votes - Top 5

Biggest Issues Hindering Leitrim Football
1. County Population
2. No divisional competition to allow Intermediate/Junior players to gain Senior Experience
3. County Funding
4. Management (Historic, not targeted at current management)
5. Lack of club league games
6. Underage Development Structure
7. Underage Development Management
8. Structure Within Clubs
9. Underage S&C
10. Lack of Commitment from current players
11. Lack of Commitment from 'non-committed' players
12. Standard of Refereeing in Leitrim
13. Other

i.e. mine is;

12, 2, 11, 8, 5

leitrimlad15 (Leitrim) - Posts: 52 - 26/07/2023 11:49:49    2497029

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Replying To Square_B:  "It's surely a bad look for a 'supposed' big club when we have other rural clubs in Leitrim busting their ***** to put teams out... the embarrassment of how it happened should be enough, but I wouldn't be against a hefty fine either. I'd be pretty embarrassed if I was a member of the club to be honest... better to put out a team, fulfil the fixture and get bet off the field as opposed to conceding. But I guess it will be all forgotten about come August and we'll go on not being a serious footballing county for another year at least anyhow...."
correct. whatever about playing numbers and resources, the attitude that it is fine for first teams to concede games because of a stag party/ reserve team games is a good a reason as any why we are where we are.

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 404 - 26/07/2023 12:07:50    2497035

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Replying To Thejampot:  "County board should not of let mohill away with what they done. Should of been a fine and points deduction for both of their teams. But nothing done and they get play in two finals. Very on fair on other clubs"
To suggest that Mohill should not contest 2 reserve league finals because they conceded games is laughable. They have won well in most games at both grades and to be in a position to be able to concede games and still make finals is a criticism of the reserve team leagues format as has been addressed in this thread already.
Teams should be free to find their own level and if that were the case then conceding games would have cost them that opportunity.
Unfair on other clubs - if you want to contest finals then qualify for them.

Ponies11 (Leitrim) - Posts: 3 - 26/07/2023 12:38:12    2497043

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Replying To Ponies11:  "To suggest that Mohill should not contest 2 reserve league finals because they conceded games is laughable. They have won well in most games at both grades and to be in a position to be able to concede games and still make finals is a criticism of the reserve team leagues format as has been addressed in this thread already.
Teams should be free to find their own level and if that were the case then conceding games would have cost them that opportunity.
Unfair on other clubs - if you want to contest finals then qualify for them."
You obviously don't know what they done to give a stupid response like that or you from mohill

Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 230 - 26/07/2023 14:00:00    2497072

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Replying To Ponies11:  "To suggest that Mohill should not contest 2 reserve league finals because they conceded games is laughable. They have won well in most games at both grades and to be in a position to be able to concede games and still make finals is a criticism of the reserve team leagues format as has been addressed in this thread already.
Teams should be free to find their own level and if that were the case then conceding games would have cost them that opportunity.
Unfair on other clubs - if you want to contest finals then qualify for them."
I understand your logic. They were able to field one of the best teams in both grades for enough games to make both finals. You can argue that the ends justify the means. They were also able to win their U20 division with no players from Eslin and Cloone -- hugely impressive given that these U20 players backboned both junior teams. I think a number of rural clubs had to weigh up releasing their U20 players to play U20 matches 2 and 3 days before their own adult teams played. However, Mohill certainly bent the rules to their advantage by conceding the aforementioned Reserve D1 game to field a (stronger) Reserve D3 team. If there is no rule on fielding in the higher grade first, as another poster mentioned is the case in Dublin), then I will certainly ensure my club puts forward a motion to this effect at the end of this season.

I note with interest that St. Mary's conceded last Saturday's league game to Aughnasheelin, which was, to be fair, a dead rubber for both sides; apparently to play a challenge match against Galway opposition. On the same day, Mohill had to play their strongest team to beat SOH and ensure their Div 1 status. Numerous Mohill Div 1 players then played the junior final on Sunday afternoon vs. St. Mary's. Based on the unexpectedly wide margin of victory for Mary's, I imagine that Mary's rested their junior players where they could for their challenge, and you can see a degree of karma in the result for Mohill.

On the one hand, the mentality of both Mohill and Mary's doing what makes the best outcome for their club more possible is impressive, you can see why they have such success. But are these actions fair? Is there any point me referencing the spirit of the game?

Creidim... (Leitrim) - Posts: 45 - 26/07/2023 15:51:42    2497104

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Replying To leitrimlad15:  "Quick Fire Votes - Top 5

Biggest Issues Hindering Leitrim Football
1. County Population
2. No divisional competition to allow Intermediate/Junior players to gain Senior Experience
3. County Funding
4. Management (Historic, not targeted at current management)
5. Lack of club league games
6. Underage Development Structure
7. Underage Development Management
8. Structure Within Clubs
9. Underage S&C
10. Lack of Commitment from current players
11. Lack of Commitment from 'non-committed' players
12. Standard of Refereeing in Leitrim
13. Other

i.e. mine is;

12, 2, 11, 8, 5"
Based on our discussion of Mohill and Mary's (I omit Manor seeing as conceding a match resulted in their senior team's relegation), I think we have to include our county board's governance of the game -- rule-making, discipline, etc. For example, are they dealing with the issue of tactical concession of games effectively; did they respond appropriately to the Allen Gaels-Ballinaglera match fiasco? Change and success comes from the bottom up but must be instigated by the top down. The new championship structures are an improvement but they now need to be tweaked further. 8 senior, 8 inter, and X remaining junior teams would be a more challenging structure. A number of teams look like they will play this year's senior just to survive and that does not benefit Leitrim football.

Also, are they doing everything they can to ensure the success of our senior men's teams, and our underage teams?

Creidim... (Leitrim) - Posts: 45 - 26/07/2023 15:59:21    2497108

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