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Replying To macca999: "What a shocking display in Mullingar from the officials today, never seen such poor officiating, in a game that wants overly aggressive, 3 black cards and a red, in a fixture that meant so much to both teams.
Some of the decisions were beyond belief, awarded a free for a throw ball when Fermanagh had shooting opportunity on 13 metre line, harshly blew Ciaran Corrigan for overcarrying inside 13 metre line in final play when had chance to get winning score and thats not to mention Sean Quigleys clear point that the umpire somehow waved wide,how the ref didnt see this or linesman on stand side(too busy causing trouble and being centre of attention himself)
On the game itself,it was exciting to watch but the quality at times was very poor, both teams made numerous unforced turnovers and kicked poor wides on day whereby weather wasnt an issue. Division 3 is certainly the most evenly matched division of a highly competitive league but id argue that no stand out teams in it this year and quality is slightly lower than previous seasons.
Fermanagh were very fortunate to be only 2 points down at half time, Westmeath easily could have scored another 4 goals today, especially chance at very end, defensively far to open and once run at look so open, shape isnt there and lack in physicality is evident too. On 2 occasions we had 2 unsuitable players as last line of our defence which luckily went unpunished(Ryan Lyons and Garvan Jones).
The struggle to win any possession in midfield didnt help the defence in the first half, non existent and the kickouts again were delayed at times allowing Westmeath to press high. Richie O Callaghan looked fairly fit today, though dont think be long term option here(no sign of Stephen McGuillion today,is he injured?)
Fermanagh contributed to many of their own problems at times today, firstly dropping 4 scoreable changes short and then with running directly into contact with opposition, Ryan Jones, McMahon and McGurn done this today and led to easy turnovers.
To their credit the time kept battling away to the end even with the officials against them and have at least secured Division Three status for next year. It would have been a tough defeat to take after all the incidents that happened but the lads showed resilience which hopefully will stand to them in the harder tasks that lies ahead.
Promotion would have been the aim at start but being honest think current level of the county team is Division 3, if we were in Division 2 would be tough learning curve for the younger lads,so hopefully can build on that in next years campaign. Least can go to Limerick with the pressure off and use it to try few new things and as team binding trip befor e the acid test v Tyrone." Now that the blood has cooled a bit yeah that is prob a good summary .. did u notice how too many of our lads just don't want to carry the ball forward !! Brandon and Richie done well but when they should have driven forward they just looked totally I'll equipped to do so it was weird they just not comfortable doing it .. I thought our attitude was good but the decision to hand them their restarts for 25 mins was bizarre … we are still guilty of serious turn overs when under no real pressure .. comfortable in a very weak div 3 is about where we are at .. with Cavan coming up and down and likely cork coming down it won't be as weak next year
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The game officiating was awful but unfortunately nothing will be gained by me going overboard by ranting like the previous posters. And talking of the previous posters that macca guy has added to Fermanagh grief today by being opportunistic is getting a dig at the players, who were obviously frustrated by today's events which impacted on their game. macca is too blinkered to see the overall picture as the young players have overall during the league campaign have impressed but alas macca focuses just on a game at a time and all he wants to do is to try and justify is original demise prediction of the team be relegated to D4...which he has got wrong!!!
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better of building for next year possibly. With USFC coming up next, it will get the club games well on their way.
Blitzkrig (Fermanagh) - Posts: 39 - 21/03/2022 10:45:18
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Complaining about a point not given on Sunday last by Kesh and macca posters and by the manager is just a deflection from the problems that lie within the team and how they are managed.
The Fermanagh team this year is no better than a good club team hence they are lucky to be still in division three. It reminds me of the John O'Neill management era and the team of young recruits he had to bring on board because of senior players withdrawal at the time. In fact, O'Neill in his desperation sourced some recruits by asking team players to invite their club players to come along.
However, times have changed it's unlikely the Donnelly will be dispatched with unceremoniously like what happened with O'Neill. But the question is how long do we give Donnelly the reigns for a year? 2 years? or wait like what happened his predecessors by leaving in their own decision as to when to go (bar Pete McGrath)? If I was assisting the Co Board in that decision I would see the manager's first season as the probationary period and if he didn't meet expectations, then sack him!
TurnipHead. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 244 - 22/03/2022 09:20:18
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Replying To TurnipHead.: "Complaining about a point not given on Sunday last by Kesh and macca posters and by the manager is just a deflection from the problems that lie within the team and how they are managed.
The Fermanagh team this year is no better than a good club team hence they are lucky to be still in division three. It reminds me of the John O'Neill management era and the team of young recruits he had to bring on board because of senior players withdrawal at the time. In fact, O'Neill in his desperation sourced some recruits by asking team players to invite their club players to come along.
However, times have changed it's unlikely the Donnelly will be dispatched with unceremoniously like what happened with O'Neill. But the question is how long do we give Donnelly the reigns for a year? 2 years? or wait like what happened his predecessors by leaving in their own decision as to when to go (bar Pete McGrath)? If I was assisting the Co Board in that decision I would see the manager's first season as the probationary period and if he didn't meet expectations, then sack him!" Ah come off it the lads aren't lucky to still be in division 3, they've done enough to remain there and not enough to go up and that's about the standard of the squad at the moment. To compare this to the John O'Neill era is a bit dramatic when he was struggling in Div 4, getting hammered by Derry in the championship before getting embarrassed by London in the qualifiers. I feel, whilst it's the weakest panel in a few years, we're no where near as bad as that dismal year.
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Replying To Bailah: "Ah come off it the lads aren't lucky to still be in division 3, they've done enough to remain there and not enough to go up and that's about the standard of the squad at the moment. To compare this to the John O'Neill era is a bit dramatic when he was struggling in Div 4, getting hammered by Derry in the championship before getting embarrassed by London in the qualifiers. I feel, whilst it's the weakest panel in a few years, we're no where near as bad as that dismal year." Right Bailey, your view is somewhat skewed as O'Neill's team was minus quite a number of experienced players who had huffed and wouldn't play resulting in the manager left to make the best of a new young team which is not comparable with today's team which has a good mix of experienced and young players. Some say O'Neill should have been given another year to get his team in shape and that is where I differ from the Turnip in respect of his suggestion to dismiss Donnelly at the end of this season as he will not have much to show for is first year at the helm. And there I rest my case.
gaalltheway (Fermanagh) - Posts: 798 - 22/03/2022 13:46:28
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Replying To gaalltheway: "Right Bailey, your view is somewhat skewed as O'Neill's team was minus quite a number of experienced players who had huffed and wouldn't play resulting in the manager left to make the best of a new young team which is not comparable with today's team which has a good mix of experienced and young players. Some say O'Neill should have been given another year to get his team in shape and that is where I differ from the Turnip in respect of his suggestion to dismiss Donnelly at the end of this season as he will not have much to show for is first year at the helm. And there I rest my case." What's your point? The point I was making was that this years campaign will not be as negative as the one in 2011, regardless of the reasoning you gave for Fermanagh playing so poorly that year under O'Neill.
Also, I am not sure I would go as far as saying there's a good mix of experience and youth in the current team. From the 2018 Ulster Final, only 7 were starting last weekend at my count + the full bench are virtually new players. Pretty much a new squad this year. The key leadership qualities of the likes of Donnelly, Mulrone, Cullen, M. Jones etc. all gone.
I do agree with you that Donnelly should be given more time, regardless of the outcome this year. There have been some promising glimpses.
Bailah (Fermanagh) - Posts: 43 - 23/03/2022 09:56:00
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Replying To TurnipHead.: "Complaining about a point not given on Sunday last by Kesh and macca posters and by the manager is just a deflection from the problems that lie within the team and how they are managed.
The Fermanagh team this year is no better than a good club team hence they are lucky to be still in division three. It reminds me of the John O'Neill management era and the team of young recruits he had to bring on board because of senior players withdrawal at the time. In fact, O'Neill in his desperation sourced some recruits by asking team players to invite their club players to come along.
However, times have changed it's unlikely the Donnelly will be dispatched with unceremoniously like what happened with O'Neill. But the question is how long do we give Donnelly the reigns for a year? 2 years? or wait like what happened his predecessors by leaving in their own decision as to when to go (bar Pete McGrath)? If I was assisting the Co Board in that decision I would see the manager's first season as the probationary period and if he didn't meet expectations, then sack him!" clearly you werent at the game. The entire match was littered with awful decisions. I see Clucker posted the clip where the westmeath goalie took the kick out with a defender in the D, the ref blew and let hime take it again, twice we were blown for dubious over carrying that you see all teams get away with every week, the worst denying a certain winner from Corrigan in 75th minute, just 3 mins previous we worked a great score for Danny Leonard in the 72 min or so but the ref saw a throw ball that no one else saw and no score. IT WAS BRUTAL
anyway if you read previous posts from me you will see plenty of positives from me about the team the last few games, the meticulous approach we had to both the laois match and this recent match were excellent and the manager is to be complemented, but this isnt the u13 team, we cant keep patting everyone on the back all of the time, some lads are clearly uncomfortable in carrying the ball forward at all, ok I wont name them but anyone who watched the team could name them and if you arent comfortable enough to carry ball forward and it really is that basic then IMO my humble one, we cant carry such a player not in the modern era, every man on the pitch has to represent a threat going forward at some stage otherwise we are sooo easy to defend against, but oh no im being critical again .......they are all great fellas, they all did their best and we will stop at the shop on the way home
KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 334 - 24/03/2022 08:55:55
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Replying To KeshGFC: "clearly you werent at the game. The entire match was littered with awful decisions. I see Clucker posted the clip where the westmeath goalie took the kick out with a defender in the D, the ref blew and let hime take it again, twice we were blown for dubious over carrying that you see all teams get away with every week, the worst denying a certain winner from Corrigan in 75th minute, just 3 mins previous we worked a great score for Danny Leonard in the 72 min or so but the ref saw a throw ball that no one else saw and no score. IT WAS BRUTAL
anyway if you read previous posts from me you will see plenty of positives from me about the team the last few games, the meticulous approach we had to both the laois match and this recent match were excellent and the manager is to be complemented, but this isnt the u13 team, we cant keep patting everyone on the back all of the time, some lads are clearly uncomfortable in carrying the ball forward at all, ok I wont name them but anyone who watched the team could name them and if you arent comfortable enough to carry ball forward and it really is that basic then IMO my humble one, we cant carry such a player not in the modern era, every man on the pitch has to represent a threat going forward at some stage otherwise we are sooo easy to defend against, but oh no im being critical again .......they are all great fellas, they all did their best and we will stop at the shop on the way home" First of all Kesher, I never said I was at the game. Some of us have to work at times over the weekend. It's ok being a government artist with plenty of time on your hands to be able to attend games or available to post here when the rest of us have to earn a living.
Anyway to the topic in question, your tunnel vision beggars belief as how one can turn a relatively small number of positives into a major success for a team that has largely struggled during the season so far with a manager that is limited in ideas with his team stuck in the bottom four of division three with little hope of winning this Sunday when they meet Limerick who are no2 at the top.
I don't have the time to write anymore at the moment but would suggest meeting you and your cohorts macca999 and Bailah in the Gaels clubhouse after the championship game with Tyrone to have a good debate and see how you lot will stand up to the truth rather than hiding behind the confines of this forum.
TurnipHead. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 244 - 25/03/2022 09:07:36
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After the first two games of the campaign, i think i like most supporters would have taken the position that Fermanagh are in now in that they travel to Limerick not needing a result to be safe in Division 3 for 2023.
Turniphead making similarities with o Neill tenure in 2013, alot in world has changed since and that was totally different as at that time county had a greater depth of talent, whom sadly chose not to play for Fermanagh due to both the county set-up and running from board whereas now there may be only handful of players who could make a difference that arent available(whom i know would still make a huge impact)Anyway that is in long past,more important to look at the now and future.
I would gladly meet in clubhouse after the Tyrone to discuss Fermanagh football, Turniphead i hope your not going to base a negative argument on county team based on a possible loss to current all ireland champions.
I am sure team and management were very frustrated last week in Mullingar though being honest, division 3 is the level current team is at. Division 3 is competitive but lower standard than previous seasons, evident by fact two promoted teams from Div 4 could be promoted to Division 2. I think any Fermanagh team up until 2020 would have won this division, but this is a true reflection of where we are at, Kieran Donnelly knows it a rebuilding job which is 2/3 realistically and working with younger players( sadly2 of the better ones are flying at other sport).
We need at least 2/3 strong players coming through Minor/under 20s team each year if Senior team is to progress as we all wish.
I agree Ballah, that there isnt that much experience in this panel, Eoin Donnellys retirement was huge and with so many younger players need few leaders on pitch to help when games are in melting pot. Captain being injured too hasnt helped, the Laois game being the clear highlight and the fact scoring goals again are positives but then quickly negated by the defence which has been very porous, even last week Westmeath had 4 good goal chances, better teams will punish ruthlessly, though options to change this seem limited. Its a fine balance between defence and attack plus winning possession in middle helps which has been a problem too.
Hopefully they can finish with a good performance against a highly motivated Limerick game to finish campaign positively before huge test in few weeks time in Brewster Park.
Also huge best of luck to our Under 20s tonight who face a good Down side in Newry in the Ulster Championship
macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1097 - 25/03/2022 12:02:09
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Hi Turniphead, would happily grab a pint (and even buy you one) after a game to chat about all things GAA. We're all on this page for the same purpose and is to share opinions about Fermanagh football. It's important to remember they are only opinions and to have friendly debate. No point getting worked up about things outside of our control and to enjoy it!
We're all Fermanagh supporters and want whats best for GAA here.
Fear Manach Abú
Bailah (Fermanagh) - Posts: 43 - 25/03/2022 13:20:33
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A NFL season in which Fermanagh missed the opportunity to get promoted and meet Dublin in Div2 next season.
Today's result:
NFL Div 3 Rd 7
Limerick 1-16 Fermanagh 0-14
National Football League Div 3
Pos Team P W D L F A Pts
1 Louth 7 5 1 1 113 99 11
2 Limerick 7 5 0 2 110 97 10
3 Westmeath 7 4 1 2 105 90 9
4 Antrim 7 3 1 3 100 87 7
5 Fermanagh 7 2 2 3 105 110 6
6 Longford 7 2 1 4 104 118 5
7 Laois 7 2 1 4 108 111 5
8 Wicklow 7 1 1 5 93 126 3
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Replying To erneboy: "A NFL season in which Fermanagh missed the opportunity to get promoted and meet Dublin in Div2 next season.
Today's result:
NFL Div 3 Rd 7
Limerick 1-16 Fermanagh 0-14
National Football League Div 3
Pos Team P W D L F A Pts
1 Louth 7 5 1 1 113 99 11
2 Limerick 7 5 0 2 110 97 10
3 Westmeath 7 4 1 2 105 90 9
4 Antrim 7 3 1 3 100 87 7
5 Fermanagh 7 2 2 3 105 110 6
6 Longford 7 2 1 4 104 118 5
7 Laois 7 2 1 4 108 111 5
8 Wicklow 7 1 1 5 93 126 3" Missed opportunity????Won two matches against Laois and Longford. Lucky to draw with Wicklow.
It was a poor but competitive D3 and Fermanagh finished in the bottom half. Can have no complaints
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Replying To Jack L: " Replying To erneboy: "A NFL season in which Fermanagh missed the opportunity to get promoted and meet Dublin in Div2 next season.
Today's result:
NFL Div 3 Rd 7
Limerick 1-16 Fermanagh 0-14
National Football League Div 3
Pos Team P W D L F A Pts
1 Louth 7 5 1 1 113 99 11
2 Limerick 7 5 0 2 110 97 10
3 Westmeath 7 4 1 2 105 90 9
4 Antrim 7 3 1 3 100 87 7
5 Fermanagh 7 2 2 3 105 110 6
6 Longford 7 2 1 4 104 118 5
7 Laois 7 2 1 4 108 111 5
8 Wicklow 7 1 1 5 93 126 3" Missed opportunity????Won two matches against Laois and Longford. Lucky to draw with Wicklow. It was a poor but competitive D3 and Fermanagh finished in the bottom half. Can have no complaints"
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 28/03/2022 08:09:41
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we went to limerick with nothing to play for. hosts had everything to play for. i think putting up that score in such circumstance is commendable and from looking at social media the limerick/ dublin trip was as much about a well earned team building trip and weekend away as it was about the match
i say well done to the team for the league overall. Way too many new lads to ever get too annoyed Clearly Donnelly needs a few years, though there will rarely be a softer div3 group than there was this year. The defence is as leaky as anything and our number 1 goal keeper is still up in the air. We badly need a big presence at 3 but I see no point in analysing the limerick match. Cmon kids..to the shop
KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 334 - 28/03/2022 13:21:43
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Results:
Sun 10th Apr 22
Nickey Rackard Hurling Cup Rd 1
Fermanagh 2-13 Donegal 1-21
Sat 9th Apr 22
JFL 1 Rd 1
Derrygonnelly 3-16 1-4 Roslea
Lisnaskea 2-8 3-12 Teemore
Enniskillen 1-11 2-7 Ederney
Belnaleck 1-9 1-5 Tempo
JFL 2 Rd 1
Aghadrumsee 2-13 2-9 Irvinestown
Derrylin 1-15 1-12 Maguiresbridge
Devenish 5-11 2-10 Brookeboro
Belcoo 5-5 2-7 Derrygonnelly
erneboy (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1397 - 11/04/2022 13:48:28
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Not long now until we welcome the All Ireland Champions to Brewster Park to start the Ulster Championship, first time to get such an opportunity. There is no doubt a mammoth task awaits, even with Tyrones few injuries and those who have left panel. Looking further ahead those absentees will catch up with Tyrone as bench is key at business end but for this match it might galvanise the squad to show what those are missing, there is one team who wont coast no matter what game and score is and that is Tyrone anyway enough about our neighbours.
Fermanagh have nothing to lose, seen as a free hit and one advantage of youth is they wont have fear factor to an extent,ive no doubt Donnelly, Quinn and Clucker will be pushing them to believe, hopefully they can do that and make it a competitive game. Although its a free shot its important in the bigger term for the team that they display progress and pride so be going into the next game with some confidence.
The league was up and down and as management themselves admitted mid table is fair reflection of where this team is at, so be harsh to judge current team on whether beat Tyrone as its a rebuild we are in middle of.
On Saturday we are going to need huge games from everyone, with the performances James McMahon, Aidan Breen, key around defence,id suspect Tyrone will target our lack of physicality here with McShane at Full Forward. Least Deceky McCusker should be back though game probably too soon for Shane McGullion. In the middle during league struggled at times, Ryan Jones will be relied on heavily here, Tyrone will likely push on kick outs high so cant afford short kick outs mishaps in this game. Scores as ever Sean Quigley will be our hope,with his frees needing to be 100%, with Ciaran Corrigan and Darragh McGurn supporting on scoreboard.
Best of luck and hopefully we have a good support to cheer on the lads in Green Saturday!
On a side note, definitely doesnt feel like championship, given the time of year, wont feel same wearing coats and gloves at championship, anyone else agree? The atmosphere and white heat of summer, with beer gardens and shades wont kick in until all ireland series which is a shame but powers that be seem to have logic in this somewhere
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Replying To macca999: "Not long now until we welcome the All Ireland Champions to Brewster Park to start the Ulster Championship, first time to get such an opportunity. There is no doubt a mammoth task awaits, even with Tyrones few injuries and those who have left panel. Looking further ahead those absentees will catch up with Tyrone as bench is key at business end but for this match it might galvanise the squad to show what those are missing, there is one team who wont coast no matter what game and score is and that is Tyrone anyway enough about our neighbours.
Fermanagh have nothing to lose, seen as a free hit and one advantage of youth is they wont have fear factor to an extent,ive no doubt Donnelly, Quinn and Clucker will be pushing them to believe, hopefully they can do that and make it a competitive game. Although its a free shot its important in the bigger term for the team that they display progress and pride so be going into the next game with some confidence.
The league was up and down and as management themselves admitted mid table is fair reflection of where this team is at, so be harsh to judge current team on whether beat Tyrone as its a rebuild we are in middle of.
On Saturday we are going to need huge games from everyone, with the performances James McMahon, Aidan Breen, key around defence,id suspect Tyrone will target our lack of physicality here with McShane at Full Forward. Least Deceky McCusker should be back though game probably too soon for Shane McGullion. In the middle during league struggled at times, Ryan Jones will be relied on heavily here, Tyrone will likely push on kick outs high so cant afford short kick outs mishaps in this game. Scores as ever Sean Quigley will be our hope,with his frees needing to be 100%, with Ciaran Corrigan and Darragh McGurn supporting on scoreboard.
Best of luck and hopefully we have a good support to cheer on the lads in Green Saturday!
On a side note, definitely doesnt feel like championship, given the time of year, wont feel same wearing coats and gloves at championship, anyone else agree? The atmosphere and white heat of summer, with beer gardens and shades wont kick in until all ireland series which is a shame but powers that be seem to have logic in this somewhere" On your side note, we might get back to normal times in 2028 when the GAA will no drought move the championship to later in the year to make room for our soccer friends.
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Fermanagh teams are going no where. The minor team has just put us to shame, our under 19s or 20s are no better and as for our senior team I would not hold my breath! keshman, macca, erneguy and others may try to put a positive spin on failure but the results year in and year out tell the true tale. If the trend continues then Donnelly will end up joining the manager-has-beens and along with players will have in the process bled the county gravy train. Unless their is an urgent radical rethink by the county board our teams county teams are doomed. I'm not alone, as this is essentially the thinking of many other concerned supporters.
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Hi turnip, I have just read your rant and was wondering what exactly do you want Donnelly to do,?
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