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Genuinely don't think he meant to give offense but you also were quick to return the insults
clooney (Clare) - Posts: 885 - 13/06/2022 11:33:18 2424539 Link 0 |
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By saying "It's the senior team that should have games behind closed doors. Might help" ? Come on - pull the other one!
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3319 - 13/06/2022 12:43:02 2424603 Link 0 |
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You're propagating a considerable amount of myth there imo, endgame. For starters, a team that has won all ireland title/titles in the last 40 years, and even the last 5 years, does not compare to a team that might have lost 10 finals out of the last 25, and won none. In other word's 80%, and 100%, are in no way comparable percentages on that specific metric. 'To win just once, that would be enough', was a Sawdoctor line, not a Brian Cody line. Your sweeping statement that 'there can be no doubt that Galway are underachieving in senior hurling if you take into account the county's underage and club success' is more mythology imo. A lot of Galway's club success was fueled by 2-3 superclubs like Sarsfields, Athenry & Portumna. For examples, the latter two clubs there were chuck full of players who were well good enough to win all-ireland club titles, but were in the vast majority of instances, not at all good enough to win an intercounty all-ireland with Galway. A balanced Galway opinion would also admit that Galway clubs are heavily favored to win all irelands club titles anyway, based on the provincial layout of those competitions, and Galway's ticket direct to a semi. Maybe Galway clubs are just a bit 'luckier' in this competition, for that specific reason. Then you throw in 'underage success' there. In Galway's case, for a decade and more, this success occurs at minor & below. It has not fed u20/u21 success since 2011, and consequently is surely no 'banker' to fuel senior success then either. Galway seem to 'outprepare' the rest of the country with u17&u18 sides, and have done this consistently for the last 30 years. But outpreparing other counties at u17/18, and then being unable to beat them 3 years later at u20/21 level contradicts your notion that 'Galway are underachieving in senior hurling if you take into account underage success'. It's a long way from minor to senior intercounty hurling these days, and most of Galway's winning minors haven't 'cut it' at u20/u21 level for the past decade or so, so you're talking through your hat there imo, if you think we should have more senior success with players who generally have not impressed at u20/u21 level for at least a decade. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3417 - 13/06/2022 13:01:57 2424613 Link 0 |
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I dont have a good feeling about this weekend. Just when we were looking like we were developing a decent Full Forward and finally replacing Glynn... hes suspended... and rightfully so.. but very frustrating. Again Whelan will be expected to carry Galway this weekend. Which he could well do.. but it will be very tough. clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 425 - 13/06/2022 14:09:11 2424667 Link 0 |
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Show up with the correct tactics and application and we win this game. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 832 - 13/06/2022 14:35:42 2424687 Link 0 |
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Why is Clare's record nothing to write home about. The fact is with a very limited number of hurlers, about one sixth that of Cork, and surely less half that of Galway they have punched well up to, if not above, their weight. Every year they contest a Province with two of the powerhouses of the game, plus two other very competitive ones. Munster is always a dog eat dog province and the fact that 75 All Ireland Titles have gone there is indicative of how difficult it always is.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 13/06/2022 14:38:23 2424689 Link 0 |
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Not sure what point you're trying to make Benedict. My point is a simple one. Galway have won 5 senior All Ireland hurling titles. I think Galway have lost circa 21 senior hurling finals. Galway have underachieved in my view. Galway have the clubs, the resources, the underage structures to be a superpower of hurling up there with Kilkenny who have 36 All Irelands and next weekends opponents Cork who have 30. I do also think that Galway senior hurling teams do tend to underperform in All Ireland Finals. I can think of a lot of Finals that Galway hurlers could and should have won but lost.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2160 - 13/06/2022 14:48:01 2424695 Link 0 |
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Cork are bookies favorites, i didnt see that coming
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 487 - 13/06/2022 15:24:59 2424714 Link 0 |
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Cork 4/5. Galway 11/8. Not much in it, especially if Downey and O' Donoghue are out!
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 13/06/2022 16:54:31 2424760 Link 0 |
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Really? Last year's all ireland finalists, against a team in transition, that has just retired, or 'lost' their two best players of the last 15 years or so, in Joe Canning & David Burke, a Galway team that has rarely impressed anyone in NHL or championship in 2022, Henry Shefflin's first season in charge. I did see that coming. Where you been??!! Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3417 - 13/06/2022 17:28:11 2424773 Link 0 |
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True Pope Cork are favourites for all those reasons.
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3319 - 13/06/2022 20:10:49 2424819 Link 0 |
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Or a team who looked dead and buried in Munster to then emerge and scrape past Antrim (scoreline flatters with the last minute goal and several, several wides antrim hit/dropped short) against a team who were unbeaten up until 2 weeks ago! I know who id have placed as favorites, and maybe thats why im not a bookie ;)
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 487 - 14/06/2022 09:24:46 2424863 Link 0 |
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Being favourites won't win a game for any team. True, JC and DB 'were' Galway's two best players but that's in the past. Galway were poor in the league, Limerick were poorer! When it comes to championship 2022 the only team that hasn't lost a game is Limerick! It will probably be a tight game, if Galway win, it won't be a surprise, likewise if they lose.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1790 - 14/06/2022 09:28:43 2424865 Link 0 |
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Weren't we favourites going into KK game?? ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1571 - 14/06/2022 09:44:11 2424871 Link 0 |
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If we were as good as Limerick, we'd be favorites for this game. I'm unclear as to what Limerick's NHL form '22 has to do with the issue. Do you think 'championship Galway '22' side will suddenly explode in June, and start playing like Limerick? If you do, I don't. I think it will be mildly surprising actually, if Galway win this game, which is why I'm not surprised at our underdog tag with bookmakers going into it. Galway's recent Leinster Final showing was closer to their '2022 form' than some Galway fans are prepared to accept. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3417 - 14/06/2022 12:55:40 2424930 Link 0 |
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We heard an awful lot of 'wind' about how 'bad' Kilkenny were, before the recent Leinster Final too. Cork were never 'dead and buried in Munster' this season, once they got the win in Waterford. Is a team that won a clutch game over Waterford in Waterford good enough to win a clutch game over this Galway side in Thurles. I would think so personally. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3417 - 14/06/2022 13:00:38 2424932 Link 0 |
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Yes I agree clare_sparrow its not looking good for Galway hurlers at this stage.
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3319 - 14/06/2022 14:14:39 2424951 Link 0 |
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I wonder is Shefflin brave enough to start Niland on Saturday to take the frees. At the end of the day, it won't matter if Niland does noting from open play, he will score 90+% of frees anywhere on the field. Conor Cooney is shot for confidence on the frees at the moment and it could easily be the difference between winning or losing against Cork. The three handy Cooney frees missed against Kilkenny were all at crucial times. galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 14/06/2022 14:17:49 2424954 Link 1 |
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Re the league, I was merely responding to your assessment of Galway when you used the league as an one of the indicators of form, "a Galway team that has rarely impressed anyone in NHL or championship in 2022". The league is no longer a reliable yardstick, especially with the shortened season. Limerick are ahead of every other county and it's hard to see any team beating them this year. However, up until the Leinster Final Galway's hadn't lost any game in this year's championship. There's a new management, a team in transition and a sideshow that hasn't helped either the team nor the management. Hopefully they'll give a good account of themselves in Thurles.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1790 - 14/06/2022 15:36:24 2424981 Link 1 |
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I think the personal loss of his brother that Henry experienced earlier this year plus the now infamous "handshakes" as they have been called hasn't helped Galway hurlers one bit. Also Henry refers to "Galway" rather than "we" when he speaks to the media and his shaking hands with all the KK hurlers after the Leinster final means he has his mind on the KK job when it becomes available more than the Galway job currently. All that points to only one outcome - a Cork win this weekend.
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3319 - 14/06/2022 16:10:23 2424995 Link 0 |