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Replying To tommy k: "Have TJ Brennan, Ian McGlynn and Liam Collins been dropped off the panel? Also would they and some of the players that were dropped off the panel such Connaire, O'Hanlon and McManus performed any worse than the likes of Linnane, Glennon, David Burke, Monaghan and Conor Cooney yesterday?" No players have been dropped since the league shefflin said on galway bay so they probably on extended panel. Mcmanus got plenty of chances in earlier in the walsh cup and didnt set the world alight and Sheffin obvs doesnt see much in him after him being involved all last year. Anyone know what the story with Eanna Burke is? Thought he would be getting game time unless he has a injury
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very poor performance yesterday..for me the wrong team was picked and a few players are playing out of position.
midfield half forward line totally wiped out..
changes need to be made and we need an injection of youth..
tiernan killeen jamie ryan donal o shea t.j. brennan all need to get game time in next 3 games.
i thought tuohy should of came on yesterday at wing back for injection of pace and power.
same lads are there along time now and not producing the goods..
where was declan mcloughlin yesterday? had a brill season so far..
on the plus side we got the draw which was positive..
cathal mannion and niland both very good.
fahy looks solid in goals.
hope morrissey makes a quick recovery as hes a very good cornor back and was playing well before
he got injured..
thought our first touch was very poor also so loads too work on before the wexford game which will
be a tough game..
for me monaghan must go midfield with donal o shea the next day as he is a scorer and
can cover ground..
fahy centre back
mannion back to cornor back
fintan to wing back
joe cooney to centre forward
concannon back in to ff line where he should be close to goal.
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Replying To tommy k: "Yes its so hard to understand Conor Cooney's drastically inconsistent form when he pulls on a Galway jersey versus when he wears a Toms jersey. He hasn't been consistent for Galway since 2017 and he is not getting any younger. Perhaps its the pace of intercounty he can't deal with or a lack of self-confidence but he certainly deserves to be dropped after the last day where he was back to shooting wides / hitting the post from frees and play when under very little pressure. The whole midfield diamond needs a shake-up at this stage with the slack marking, not tracking their opponents allowing easy scores etc. Along with C. Cooney the likes of Linnane, Glennon, David Burke, Monaghan and Concannon were not at the races for a lot of the game. Even Daithi and Whelan did not have their best games IMO. Just goes to show when the likes of JC, Coen, Harte and (the much maligned but unfairly so) Hanbury stepped away their replacements have not exactly set the world on fire. Even GMac would have been an improvement yesterday - Shane Cooney and Tiernan Killeen also need to be considered. Anyway lets hope for a drastic improvement in the Wexford game as we'll need it. "The Only Way Is Up" as Yazz once sang!" It looks like he can't quite get to the pace of inter County and therefore appears to try and rush and force things, which doesn't work out for him. I think at best he should now accept a role giving some experience from the bench.
Very true also how all the players you mentioned underperformed and many others too. Perhaps only the two Fahy's, Niland when he came on and Cathal played well.
Cathal was immense and I thought that each of his five points yesterday were individually sensational scores, they were a class collection of points, worth looking back on.
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Replying To Flaherty: "It looks like he can't quite get to the pace of inter County and therefore appears to try and rush and force things, which doesn't work out for him. I think at best he should now accept a role giving some experience from the bench.
Very true also how all the players you mentioned underperformed and many others too. Perhaps only the two Fahy's, Niland when he came on and Cathal played well.
Cathal was immense and I thought that each of his five points yesterday were individually sensational scores, they were a class collection of points, worth looking back on." Even the one that was wide?
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 241 - 29/04/2024 14:23:44
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Replying To endgame: "Henry Shefflin was a great player. He is not a great Manager as Galway have and will continue to find out. Kilkenny today were minus Eoin Murphy, Eoin Cody, Adrian Mullen, Mikey Carey and Galway at home scraped a draw with the game's last play. Does not bode well for Galway for the remainder of the championship. A full strength Kilkenny would be strong favourites in a likely Leinster final rematch unless Galway show major improvement from today." I thought that Galway showed good bottle and resolve to grind out the draw. I also think that this game will bring them on a lot. KK had those extra league games, so I think that as far as preparation goes, KK would be that bit a head of Galway at the minute. The game will also bring on KK, but Galway have no reason to be in one bit in dread of that black and amber jersey the next time the two teams meet, even if all the missing players that you name are back.
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Replying To Flaherty: "It looks like he can't quite get to the pace of inter County and therefore appears to try and rush and force things, which doesn't work out for him. I think at best he should now accept a role giving some experience from the bench.
Very true also how all the players you mentioned underperformed and many others too. Perhaps only the two Fahy's, Niland when he came on and Cathal played well.
Cathal was immense and I thought that each of his five points yesterday were individually sensational scores, they were a class collection of points, worth looking back on." Mannion was anonymous in the second half, Whelan the first half
It's key to find ways to keep them both involved for the 70 minutes as they're clearly Galways most talented players
I think it was clear that a lot of the midfield/Half back line were in foreign positions. I think they're better off with Settling the team more in that area
Kinvara (Galway) - Posts: 140 - 29/04/2024 14:27:54
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At stages yesterday we played some great hurling (first q against the breeze) but KK wrestled control and in the end we were lucky.
Playing against any of the top teams, there will be times when the game is flowing against you. In the past the floodgates opened, however other than one occasion yesterday i don't think KK threatened a goal.
Yesterday when we were well on top, KK managed to keep our scoring down and pick off a few scores themselves. This meant the scoreboard didn't reflect our dominance when the tide inevitable turns. This is what the top teams do.
Not all doom and gloom. Our defense was very solid. Whelan was poor by his own standards but still came up trumps. He will only get better. Loved the fact that we are trying to work the ball. This has been missing for years. We had a few goal chances apart from what we scored.
Felt out HF line lacked ball winners. Conor Cooney was poor as mentioned by others. Monaghan, I think, is too lose to start. He's a great man to come on and score 3 or 4 points. Running on to lose ball around the middle etc however he's not great to wrestle control.
This is Kilkenny we are talking about, not a junior c team. We all feel we played poorly but still got a draw. Admittedly Limerick are the bench mark but I feel this Galway set up has something about them.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1842 - 29/04/2024 14:30:52
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Replying To Flaherty: "It looks like he can't quite get to the pace of inter County and therefore appears to try and rush and force things, which doesn't work out for him. I think at best he should now accept a role giving some experience from the bench.
Very true also how all the players you mentioned underperformed and many others too. Perhaps only the two Fahy's, Niland when he came on and Cathal played well.
Cathal was immense and I thought that each of his five points yesterday were individually sensational scores, they were a class collection of points, worth looking back on." Pádraic Mannion played well, albeit handling probably second string KK forwards in the absence of Cody and Mullen. I'm not sure that Fahy 'played well' in the hb line. Did his direct opponent collect the motm award? I'll have to have a look at the tape, but KK did seem to be firing points for fun all day against our hb line, who were admittedly playing behind a missing in action midfield pairing, and half forwards who were rarely on the front foot either.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3493 - 29/04/2024 14:39:00
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Replying To Flaherty: "It looks like he can't quite get to the pace of inter County and therefore appears to try and rush and force things, which doesn't work out for him. I think at best he should now accept a role giving some experience from the bench.
Very true also how all the players you mentioned underperformed and many others too. Perhaps only the two Fahy's, Niland when he came on and Cathal played well.
Cathal was immense and I thought that each of his five points yesterday were individually sensational scores, they were a class collection of points, worth looking back on." Turns out 4 were one in first half was a mile wide, he hit post with one from terrace that looked like he'd no angle would have been incredible score.
What has happened Sean nearly him and mcglynn I thought would be two certs to be in senior by now,
Heard touhy had a good game v Carlow surprised he didn't replace Linnane who kept trying to break tackles instead of moving the ball.
I understand the need to work through lines but some of our play out was very sloppy ball falling off the hurl when under no pressure or sloppy short passes
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Replying To jm25: "Turns out 4 were one in first half was a mile wide, he hit post with one from terrace that looked like he'd no angle would have been incredible score.
What has happened Sean nearly him and mcglynn I thought would be two certs to be in senior by now,
Heard touhy had a good game v Carlow surprised he didn't replace Linnane who kept trying to break tackles instead of moving the ball.
I understand the need to work through lines but some of our play out was very sloppy ball falling off the hurl when under no pressure or sloppy short passes" Yes they need to drastically improve their speed of thought and stickwork as you only get split seconds on the ball before a tackle is made. Also need to improve on winning aerial ball and their speed around the pitch. Too many slow / unfit players and players not able to keep up with their direct opponents. Gone are the days of the "small, nippy Galway players" - they have been largely replaced by "small, sluggish Galway players"! lol
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3391 - 29/04/2024 16:02:52
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Fahy did get cleaned out of it in the half back line, ok he got two whooper points but his man did more damage than Fahy did good. SL on the other wing isn't the solution either. Glennon midfield is not the answer and D Burke just hasn't the engine for that position anymore. When you see the Clare no 8 D Fitz v Cork powering up the field and scoring a goal, well that's really what you want your midfielder to be doing. Didn't see our half forward line tracking back to help our defence or put pressure on KK.
So there are still a few positions to get sorted midfield and half backs before the Leinster Final but atleast we a few weeks to fix it before We grace the field in Croke Park.
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Replying To gbay: "very poor performance yesterday..for me the wrong team was picked and a few players are playing out of position.
midfield half forward line totally wiped out..
changes need to be made and we need an injection of youth..
tiernan killeen jamie ryan donal o shea t.j. brennan all need to get game time in next 3 games.
i thought tuohy should of came on yesterday at wing back for injection of pace and power.
same lads are there along time now and not producing the goods..
where was declan mcloughlin yesterday? had a brill season so far..
on the plus side we got the draw which was positive..
cathal mannion and niland both very good.
fahy looks solid in goals.
hope morrissey makes a quick recovery as hes a very good cornor back and was playing well before
he got injured..
thought our first touch was very poor also so loads too work on before the wexford game which will
be a tough game..
for me monaghan must go midfield with donal o shea the next day as he is a scorer and
can cover ground..
fahy centre back
mannion back to cornor back
fintan to wing back
joe cooney to centre forward
concannon back in to ff line where he should be close to goal." The team needs speed / energy in the middle third and the likes of Tuohy, Killeen and Ryan can bring that. What has Jamie Ryan done wrong to be dropped from the subs bench at least? The likes of Flynn has got numerous chances and is making no impact either starting or being brought on for a number of years now.
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3391 - 29/04/2024 16:53:55
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Kilkenny really are the media darlings and can do no wrong
All I've heard is they keep fighting back and weren't beateven missing a few players.
Now if roles were reversed and Galway gave away leads with two sloppy goals and were 2 points up with a minute to play and drew what the headline would be.
Kilkenny have given away a load of big leads and been blown away by limerick in last couple of years but it's ignored coz it's Kilkenny
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Replying To tommy k: "Yes its so hard to understand Conor Cooney's drastically inconsistent form when he pulls on a Galway jersey versus when he wears a Toms jersey. He hasn't been consistent for Galway since 2017 and he is not getting any younger. Perhaps its the pace of intercounty he can't deal with or a lack of self-confidence but he certainly deserves to be dropped after the last day where he was back to shooting wides / hitting the post from frees and play when under very little pressure. The whole midfield diamond needs a shake-up at this stage with the slack marking, not tracking their opponents allowing easy scores etc. Along with C. Cooney the likes of Linnane, Glennon, David Burke, Monaghan and Concannon were not at the races for a lot of the game. Even Daithi and Whelan did not have their best games IMO. Just goes to show when the likes of JC, Coen, Harte and (the much maligned but unfairly so) Hanbury stepped away their replacements have not exactly set the world on fire. Even GMac would have been an improvement yesterday - Shane Cooney and Tiernan Killeen also need to be considered. Anyway lets hope for a drastic improvement in the Wexford game as we'll need it. "The Only Way Is Up" as Yazz once sang!" It's amazing how numerous Galway hurlers can get better with every game they don't play
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Replying To katser: "Fahy did get cleaned out of it in the half back line, ok he got two whooper points but his man did more damage than Fahy did good. SL on the other wing isn't the solution either. Glennon midfield is not the answer and D Burke just hasn't the engine for that position anymore. When you see the Clare no 8 D Fitz v Cork powering up the field and scoring a goal, well that's really what you want your midfielder to be doing. Didn't see our half forward line tracking back to help our defence or put pressure on KK.
So there are still a few positions to get sorted midfield and half backs before the Leinster Final but atleast we a few weeks to fix it before We grace the field in Croke Park." I think it was fahys wing aswell where blancefield powered by him numerous times and plucked a few points
Galway456 (Galway) - Posts: 33 - 29/04/2024 20:50:22
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Replying To tommy k: "The team needs speed / energy in the middle third and the likes of Tuohy, Killeen and Ryan can bring that. What has Jamie Ryan done wrong to be dropped from the subs bench at least? The likes of Flynn has got numerous chances and is making no impact either starting or being brought on for a number of years now." Jesus lad all you're doing at this stage is throwing s**t at the wall hoping some will stick. TJ started the year first choice full back had a stellar Fitzgibbon campaign but got destroyed against Tipp and was whipped after 25 mins. Fintan has gone toe to toe with Gillane (subbed off) and did well against Reid.
Jamie Ryan's cameo against Limerick would surely of put him in your "must try better category"
Tuhoy was very poor against Carlow. Bringing the ball into traffic and getting turned over so I'm not sure how he gets onto the "can't live without category"
These players you mention (and it's a lot at this stage) are not silver bullets that will magically fix our woes.
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Replying To jm25: "Kilkenny really are the media darlings and can do no wrong
All I've heard is they keep fighting back and weren't beateven missing a few players.
Now if roles were reversed and Galway gave away leads with two sloppy goals and were 2 points up with a minute to play and drew what the headline would be.
Kilkenny have given away a load of big leads and been blown away by limerick in last couple of years but it's ignored coz it's Kilkenny" If Galway were missing them players they wouldnt be 2 points up they would bet before they start just a mind set thing.
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Replying To Tiger1: "If Galway were missing them players they wouldnt be 2 points up they would bet before they start just a mind set thing." Yes that is what people / media assume but it may surprise you to know that Galway have only been beaten once in the round robin by Dublin in 2019 when admittedly Galway were not at their best that year and Galway have a much better record than even KK. Galway have come from behind on many occasions e.g. against Dublin (when 10 points down) and Kilkenny (when 7 points down) well into the second half and that shows some character. Of course the lazy media analysis afterwards is Dublin and KK let those matches slip rather than Galway playing well because that is the narrative they want to portray. The media love the likes of Antrim as (like Galway) they are outsiders to the "traditional" provinces but (unlike Galway) they know they are not going to win anything so they are "safe to love" so to speak. Also unlike Wexford, Galway never lose to the likes of Westmeath and Antrim in championship games - perhaps that is a Wexford "mind set thing!"
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3391 - 30/04/2024 09:31:21
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Replying To jm25: "Kilkenny really are the media darlings and can do no wrong
All I've heard is they keep fighting back and weren't beateven missing a few players.
Now if roles were reversed and Galway gave away leads with two sloppy goals and were 2 points up with a minute to play and drew what the headline would be.
Kilkenny have given away a load of big leads and been blown away by limerick in last couple of years but it's ignored coz it's Kilkenny" That is true! I was listening to "Off The Ball" which is a sports programme on Newstalk last night and all the 2 "pundits" Jamesie O'Connor and Richie Hogan were saying is how well KK played "missing all them players" and it all about "workrate / workrate in KK" - nothing about that Galway didn't play very well and still managed to draw the game coming from 4 points down near the end of the game. There was only a footnote at the end from Jamesie begrudgingly saying Galway "were still contenders" but coming across as if he thought that is not really the case. I had to laugh to myself - you couldn't make it up! lol
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Replying To Tiger1: "If Galway were missing them players they wouldnt be 2 points up they would bet before they start just a mind set thing." Nonsense. They've haven't lost to Kk in this round robin format since it's inception, and would arguably have been more competitive in certain Leinster Finals too, if the Wexford lad hadn't been refereeing them.
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