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Next season are they just going to announce 16 senior teams and 16 intermediate teams, how will they get 8 teams down from senior next year ( i know no one has an answer yet but whats your thoughts)
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 485 - 25/11/2021 11:37:52 2390744 Link 0 |
Very good points Stool Pigeon. Your idea for Senior B Group winners and Inter winners would stop any club from saying they didnt get a chance to stay Senior . The 2nd teams at Inter and Jun A is an issue that will probably be swept under the carpet but i do think it would help alot. Remember there was issues this year with Clubs not being happy that the junior champ would be concluded before the Senior even started. They did this in Football and it led to all the 2nd teams being stronger ( as the regrades didnt play senior champ) and they ended up having to play a playoff to see who represented Galway in Connacht. If every Senior B club has a chance to stay Senior next year based on results they really cant complain. Same with Inter teams . puckemhard (Galway) - Posts: 227 - 25/11/2021 11:58:12 2390751 Link 1 |
A lot of sense been talked here which in itself is quite refreshing. thecut (Galway) - Posts: 332 - 25/11/2021 12:09:48 2390759 Link 0 |
I think you are right MB and Bearna / Furbo from this years results might struggle and from the underage aswel compared to Skehana /MB and Salthill especialy , but to be fair MB have been strong over the last 8-10 years so i think they could be ok. I would think most Junior clubs currently wouldnt fear playing 1st teams such as Kilbeacanty, An Spideal etc? would they be as strong as say a Liam Mellows second team with everyone except for 18 Senior players being able to play? puckemhard (Galway) - Posts: 227 - 25/11/2021 12:34:44 2390768 Link 0 |
Call a spade a spade lads, some of these junior clubs are only knocking on the door of intermediate because senior B is intermediate standard and intermediate bar 5/6 teams is junior standard. Donaldtrump (Galway) - Posts: 252 - 25/11/2021 14:14:44 2390788 Link 2 |
Getting ahead of ourselves here. At current standing and from what Paul Bellew recently said, nothing changes for the foreseeable. Both Cork & Galway feel they have found a way around the motion, proposal gone to Croke Park on same. Galway championship does not hold up provincial or all Ireland series which in essence was the reason behind the motion. Big financial implications if changes must take place. bogmaster19 (Galway) - Posts: 16 - 25/11/2021 14:41:19 2390793 Link 1 |
Paul spoke about that , but there doesnt seem to be any actual confirmation of this from what i have heard. I hope it does get sorted as it makes no sense making massive countys like Galway and Cork have the same structure as Leitrim or Monaghan have. But thats for another day. Quick question the financial implications? What would those be? puckemhard (Galway) - Posts: 227 - 26/11/2021 09:44:58 2390866 Link 0 |
Fewer games obviously means smaller overall aggregate attendances and therefore less money on the gate. It was an unnecessary change to make as it only ever affected bigger counties anyway and the baby was thrown out with the bathwater in an attempt to prioritise the IC game above all else. But of course Congress has to be seen to be doing something i suppose Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 822 - 26/11/2021 10:54:28 2390876 Link 1 |
As things stand though, the nationally agreed split season between IC and club would pose particular difficulties in a genuinely dual county like Galway unless some readustment was made to the senior club championship. Because it is exclusively club football fixtures one week followed by exclusively club hurling fixtures the following week (or visa versa) theres very little room for manouvre....basically there's half the number of weekends available to play off the county club championships than there would be in most other counties where one sport is dominant and prioritized to the exclusion of the other. The real difficulty arises from a Galway point of view because of the decision to play the All Ireland club championships within the calendar year -- AFAIK the All Ireland club championship finals are moving to December. Because of this I dont know how it would be possible to have the county club championship completed if the IC championship is running from May to July and preceded by the National League games from February......might get a couple of group stage club games played in April but then I doubt if the club game would start back in August....realistically it would be September. Dont think it would be possible to play off the county senior club championship as it is currently constituted and have our county champions ready for an All Ireland club semi final by mid November at the latest without either reducing the number of senior clubs or truncating the hurling group stages and having more of a knockout championship. One or other would have to happen I think.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1898 - 27/11/2021 11:37:12 2390948 Link 2 |
Senior Relegation Final katser (Galway) - Posts: 2188 - 28/11/2021 15:26:26 2391039 Link 3 |
Almost a great escape story! TAD really need to kick on now next year and get back to Senior A, with the quality they have a team like them should never be in a relegation final. Injuries killed them this year.
Shane_123 (Galway) - Posts: 3 - 28/11/2021 21:43:29 2391067 Link 0 |
You got to feel for Ballindereen, they won three games this year and are relegated to inter. Sport can be cruel. You'd imagine they'll bounce back up but as we have seen plenty of times before inter can be a tough one to get out of.
GalwaysFinest (Galway) - Posts: 190 - 29/11/2021 09:16:23 2391074 Link 0 |
They won two games, 1 Championship and 1 Relegation round Robin. I'm not too sure they will bounce back up, Abbeyknockmoy and Kinvara won Intermediate in the last few years and got relegated. Throw in Carnmore, Killimor and Meelick-Eyrecourt and you have 6 teams that could all beat each other. But it will probably all change by 2023 when all of them could possibly be back up in 16 team Senior B Championship. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2188 - 29/11/2021 10:25:39 2391080 Link 0 |
This cutting down teams in senior to 16 is the best thing for Galway. Trying to appease a few clubs cus they want to say their a senior/intermediate club is sad. What good is it doing them. For god sake Tipp has 32 senior teams and they cut it in half from next year on and didn't care what clubs were saying. Watch now as they become much more competitive at intermediate/junior level in all Ireland series by sending their 17th ranked team instead of 33rd. Galway clubs record at intermediate bar 1 win has been poor and junior it is god awful, never won a game outside of Connacht since it's inception. We're a big county but we're probably the least dual playing county in Ireland so it's pretty much half the county that plays hurling so it's not like we've as many clubs as some counties either. We're the only county where no club has won a senior hurling title and a football title. (Yes I know Monivea and Abbeyknovkmoy are sister clubs) but we're deluding ourselves into thinking we've enough good clubs to stay going the way we are at club championship. 16 is more than enough for a top tier. Most other counties teams get relegated and they get on with it. How many times in Kilkenny does it happen where a team can go from from Junior to senior within 5 years and vice versa. Too easy not get relegated in Galway and it's lost a lot of its cut that made the Galway championship as good as it was for so long. ML89 (Galway) - Posts: 39 - 29/11/2021 10:28:14 2391081 Link 1 |
The way I see it is.... The CB are either going to relegate 8 Senior B teams to Intermediate or promote 8 Intermediate teams to a new 16 team Senior B Championship...the latter would be the more sensible option, because clubs like Athenry, Ardrahan, Mullagh, Liam Mellows some who have NEVER been relegated haven't a notion of agreeing to OK no bother we will drop down to Intermediate to facilitate the new format...there would be UPROAR and the whole thing would get messy!!! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2188 - 29/11/2021 10:47:15 2391083 Link 0 |
I agree with this in general. What's the point of labelling something Senior B instead of Intermediate? Just so they can call themselves a 'Senior' club? Top 16 Senior, then Intermediate, Junior A etc. As you mentioned, we're regularly sending a much lower ranked club out to play in the All-Ireland Intermediate and Junior championships, than other counties. You've also made a great point about teams being able gain momentum from promotions and good runs in the club All-Ireland. Glenmore who won the Kilkenny intermediate title this year, won the junior club All-Ireland not too long ago. As it happens they won a senior club All-Ireland in the past and can become the first club to win All-Irelands at all 3 levels, if they go all the way in this campaign. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2018 - 29/11/2021 11:23:58 2391092 Link 1 |
Yes that would make sense, if the AI Club is to be finished within the calendar year as you say there has to be a compromise on our end alright. A fully split season with an AI Club final in december leaves no alternative but to shorten the Galway SHC somehow which can only really be done properly by reducing the number of teams. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 822 - 29/11/2021 11:28:06 2391093 Link 0 |
Comical post. Don't relegate clubs who are intermediate standard to intermediate because you might hurt their feelings.
Donaldtrump (Galway) - Posts: 252 - 29/11/2021 11:29:56 2391094 Link 1 |
And I know alot of it is the Principle of Pride and Status....the difference of Identity,who you are and where your from... as in "We are a Senior Club but "them" are a Intermediate Club! katser (Galway) - Posts: 2188 - 29/11/2021 11:35:33 2391095 Link 0 |
Cracking championships??? What are you on at all? At the top senior level, you've 3 teams who are way out in front of the rest. Nothing cracking there. Perhaps in the Senior B, you might get a well balanced championship, with close, tight games. foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1887 - 29/11/2021 16:10:28 2391131 Link 0 |