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Replying To wexico15: "I'd rate Ryan as alot higher than a maybe, probably the standout midfielder at club level in the last 5 years." True about Ryan but point still stands Wexico. Zinny thought there wouldnt be many.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11890 - 09/02/2022 13:59:01
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Replying To beano: "I agree. Even if you were listing our best players on the current panel, they'd be from midfield back. And most of them have their best quality as carrying the ball.
But it begs the question, if the general consensus is that we are limited in terms of scoring forwards, why the heck don't we make use of what we do have? Tubs scored 1-3 off the bench the last day, where was he vs. Sligo? No-one can convince me that Nolan is a bigger threat than Mini Ryan either but yet he seems to be a manager's favourite. When we were crying out for inspiration in that Sligo game, and Lyons hobbled off, we brought on an extra defender. Naive, passive, inexperienced coaching.
Rossiter, Ryan, Tubritt and Brosnan (even in his twilight years) are our best four scoring forwards- all four should be utilised in every game they are available." Agree Beano but that's why I think we need a centre forward who is really good at tackling, pressing and holding up opponents when they have the ball.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11890 - 09/02/2022 14:00:38
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Replying To Viking66: "Likely starters - Chin, P Foley, ROC, Donohue, K Foley
Possible starters- Dunbar, Flood, Banville, Hearne
Panel- JOC, MOH, O Foley, Dwyer.
Maybes- Ryan, DOK
Most of them made lads team of the weeks during the championships. ROC was many posters player of the championship. Chin is Chin. Donohue is a superb footballer. Not going through them man by man as I'm not going to disrespect our football squad but if we had the above named playing intercounty football we would carry far more of a scoring threat." The only one I would take is Chin and put him in center forward. The others are not good enough based on the football championship to replace what is already there. Foley - where midfield center back? if you think that would work out your are sadly mistaken. Every loves to say football as the less skillful game but the reality is the fitness levels in football are way off the charts, the pace its played in terms of the amount of running a player has to do is very different to Hurling.
Is Donohue better than Malone - as that's the position he would have to play. ROC could make a good footballer however with the Martins he plays his own game - which is the problem with the Martins in football - I cannot see him being any different in a county setup. Shels are the Football champions and there best footballers are with the football panel - the other two lads would not be good enough for county level football - the one that could but I am not sure if he was asked would be Kean Carroll who has way more ability but I guess he is holding out for the Hurling.
In addition for me its a bit of a cop out to say that the reason we are poor at football at the moment is because the best footballers play hurling. Making excuses for the failure to produce good footballing talent.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1805 - 09/02/2022 16:15:16
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Replying To zinny: "The only one I would take is Chin and put him in center forward. The others are not good enough based on the football championship to replace what is already there. Foley - where midfield center back? if you think that would work out your are sadly mistaken. Every loves to say football as the less skillful game but the reality is the fitness levels in football are way off the charts, the pace its played in terms of the amount of running a player has to do is very different to Hurling.
Is Donohue better than Malone - as that's the position he would have to play. ROC could make a good footballer however with the Martins he plays his own game - which is the problem with the Martins in football - I cannot see him being any different in a county setup. Shels are the Football champions and there best footballers are with the football panel - the other two lads would not be good enough for county level football - the one that could but I am not sure if he was asked would be Kean Carroll who has way more ability but I guess he is holding out for the Hurling.
In addition for me its a bit of a cop out to say that the reason we are poor at football at the moment is because the best footballers play hurling. Making excuses for the failure to produce good footballing talent." Have you not seen Liam Ryan play football? And Rory O'Connor is basically given that role but not good enough? Find those comments interesting.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 643 - 09/02/2022 16:58:06
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Replying To zinny: "The only one I would take is Chin and put him in center forward. The others are not good enough based on the football championship to replace what is already there. Foley - where midfield center back? if you think that would work out your are sadly mistaken. Every loves to say football as the less skillful game but the reality is the fitness levels in football are way off the charts, the pace its played in terms of the amount of running a player has to do is very different to Hurling.
Is Donohue better than Malone - as that's the position he would have to play. ROC could make a good footballer however with the Martins he plays his own game - which is the problem with the Martins in football - I cannot see him being any different in a county setup. Shels are the Football champions and there best footballers are with the football panel - the other two lads would not be good enough for county level football - the one that could but I am not sure if he was asked would be Kean Carroll who has way more ability but I guess he is holding out for the Hurling.
In addition for me its a bit of a cop out to say that the reason we are poor at football at the moment is because the best footballers play hurling. Making excuses for the failure to produce good footballing talent." I'll respectfully disagree with your 1st and 2nd sentence, ROC has been nominated for player of the club championship 2 years in a row, they wouldn't have made the semi final this year without him, MOTM against Kilanerin in QF which went to extra time, wastefulness upfront is what's cost Martins in my view. Paidi Foley and Liam Ryan as good as midfielders as what's in the panel in my view, Liam Coleman would be on there level or better but none of the rest. Yes I think Donohoe is a better player than Malone, Glen looks more polished and is very good carrying the ball, but Donohoe is a better defender and decision maker in my view,he was outstanding in last years county final. I get where you're coming from about different fitness levels in hurling and football but 2 things 1. intercounty hurlers are extremely fit, they'd be exposed if they weren't and 2. Whatever way people feel about Davy positive or negative, the fitness levels required for his style of play was off the charts and the players in the hurling panel got into serious knick while he was there. Its also not exclusive to Wexford for 1 code to suffer with the whole dual player thing. In Tipp the 3 mcgrath brothers are all serious footballers as shown with Loughmore, In cork Alan Cadogan was a serious underage footballer, there's an u20 player in the Clare hurling panel called Shane Meehan who was Munster Minor footballer of the year in 2019, then in Dublin its the shoe on the other foot with Ciaran Kilkenny, Cormac Costello and Con O'Callaghan all having strong underage hurling pedigree obviously Con doing the business with Cuala too.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 09/02/2022 18:52:40
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Replying To zinny: "The only one I would take is Chin and put him in center forward. The others are not good enough based on the football championship to replace what is already there. Foley - where midfield center back? if you think that would work out your are sadly mistaken. Every loves to say football as the less skillful game but the reality is the fitness levels in football are way off the charts, the pace its played in terms of the amount of running a player has to do is very different to Hurling.
Is Donohue better than Malone - as that's the position he would have to play. ROC could make a good footballer however with the Martins he plays his own game - which is the problem with the Martins in football - I cannot see him being any different in a county setup. Shels are the Football champions and there best footballers are with the football panel - the other two lads would not be good enough for county level football - the one that could but I am not sure if he was asked would be Kean Carroll who has way more ability but I guess he is holding out for the Hurling.
In addition for me its a bit of a cop out to say that the reason we are poor at football at the moment is because the best footballers play hurling. Making excuses for the failure to produce good footballing talent." I never said we were poor at football just because the best footballers are playing hurling. There are 2 main reasons why we are nowhere near the level we were at up til a dozen or so years ago. They are called Matty Forde and Ciaran Lyng.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11890 - 09/02/2022 21:54:52
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Aidan Nolan would've walked on to the county football team the last 5 years.
Donohue, Chin, Rory O'Connor, Liam Ryan would all be starters.
Paul Morris, Fanning, Mikey Dwyer. Jacko, O'Hanlon, Kev Foley all squad players at least.
That's 11 hurlers that would be on the football team, can't think of any footballers who would be on the hurling.
LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 10/02/2022 09:33:50
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Replying To LarryOBrother: "Aidan Nolan would've walked on to the county football team the last 5 years.
Donohue, Chin, Rory O'Connor, Liam Ryan would all be starters.
Paul Morris, Fanning, Mikey Dwyer. Jacko, O'Hanlon, Kev Foley all squad players at least.
That's 11 hurlers that would be on the football team, can't think of any footballers who would be on the hurling." O Hanlon would be a definite starter on football the last 7 years and still would be too,
Gavin Sheehan excellent hurler be as good a corner r wing back as any that's there
lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 186 - 10/02/2022 10:10:22
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Replying To wexico15: "I'll respectfully disagree with your 1st and 2nd sentence, ROC has been nominated for player of the club championship 2 years in a row, they wouldn't have made the semi final this year without him, MOTM against Kilanerin in QF which went to extra time, wastefulness upfront is what's cost Martins in my view. Paidi Foley and Liam Ryan as good as midfielders as what's in the panel in my view, Liam Coleman would be on there level or better but none of the rest. Yes I think Donohoe is a better player than Malone, Glen looks more polished and is very good carrying the ball, but Donohoe is a better defender and decision maker in my view,he was outstanding in last years county final. I get where you're coming from about different fitness levels in hurling and football but 2 things 1. intercounty hurlers are extremely fit, they'd be exposed if they weren't and 2. Whatever way people feel about Davy positive or negative, the fitness levels required for his style of play was off the charts and the players in the hurling panel got into serious knick while he was there. Its also not exclusive to Wexford for 1 code to suffer with the whole dual player thing. In Tipp the 3 mcgrath brothers are all serious footballers as shown with Loughmore, In cork Alan Cadogan was a serious underage footballer, there's an u20 player in the Clare hurling panel called Shane Meehan who was Munster Minor footballer of the year in 2019, then in Dublin its the shoe on the other foot with Ciaran Kilkenny, Cormac Costello and Con O'Callaghan all having strong underage hurling pedigree obviously Con doing the business with Cuala too." I agree with you. It's especially ludicrous how the original poster didn't rate ROC or Donohoe as better than what we have when they are easily in the top bracket of footballers across the entire club scene. Glen has had an inauspicious return to the fold, maybe his long campaign with the club has taken it's toll. A fine athlete but doesn't have the same skill-set as Donohoe.
Foley and Ryan would easily slot in alongside Coleman too- we are actually lacking a second ball-winner in there as well.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1419 - 10/02/2022 12:12:25
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Replying To Viking66: "I never said we were poor at football just because the best footballers are playing hurling. There are 2 main reasons why we are nowhere near the level we were at up til a dozen or so years ago. They are called Matty Forde and Ciaran Lyng." Very disrespectful to the rest of the team who played in Leinster finals and all Ireland semi, players like pj Banville, red Barry, Graham Molloy , paddy colfer, David Murphy were fantastic footballers
Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 440 - 10/02/2022 12:15:25
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Very disrespectful to the rest of the team who played in Leinster finals and all Ireland semi, players like pj Banville, red Barry, Graham Molloy , paddy colfer, David Murphy were fantastic footballers" No disrespect to them at all. It was a great team. It reached a League final in 04 and an AISF at the end of that decade. Adrian Flynn, Morris etc also. PJ was a little after the lads. The point I was making about the current team is that we dont currently have a Forde or Lyng to chip in with 7 or 8 extra points. We had PJ up until lately and we still have Ben. If our forwards had scored even a few extra points we wouldve beaten Sligo. We wouldve got promoted last year also. Our current back 6 arent bad at all. Midfield is ok. Our forwards dont score enough especially from out the field. Think of the points Forde and Lyng kicked over from 40 yards out with pressure on from top defenders. That's what we are lacking.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11890 - 10/02/2022 12:30:06
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Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Very disrespectful to the rest of the team who played in Leinster finals and all Ireland semi, players like pj Banville, red Barry, Graham Molloy , paddy colfer, David Murphy were fantastic footballers" I think people only fully appreciated them in the last few years after they retired, by Wexford football standards they were a golden generation, last Leinster final appearance prior to 2008 was 1956.
Think Tipperary are going through something similar now where the group that made 2016 all ireland semi final and won Munster 2020 are either not there at the moment or hitting the latter stages of there career.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 10/02/2022 12:32:50
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Replying To zinny: "The only one I would take is Chin and put him in center forward. The others are not good enough based on the football championship to replace what is already there. Foley - where midfield center back? if you think that would work out your are sadly mistaken. Every loves to say football as the less skillful game but the reality is the fitness levels in football are way off the charts, the pace its played in terms of the amount of running a player has to do is very different to Hurling.
Is Donohue better than Malone - as that's the position he would have to play. ROC could make a good footballer however with the Martins he plays his own game - which is the problem with the Martins in football - I cannot see him being any different in a county setup. Shels are the Football champions and there best footballers are with the football panel - the other two lads would not be good enough for county level football - the one that could but I am not sure if he was asked would be Kean Carroll who has way more ability but I guess he is holding out for the Hurling.
In addition for me its a bit of a cop out to say that the reason we are poor at football at the moment is because the best footballers play hurling. Making excuses for the failure to produce good footballing talent." You obviously dont watch much club football if you would only take Chin. O Hanlon, Rory OC and Liam Ryan walk onto the Wexford football team. Foley, Donohoe, Dwyer very close to.
Dumpstruck1 (Wexford) - Posts: 91 - 10/02/2022 14:25:54
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Replying To Viking66: "No disrespect to them at all. It was a great team. It reached a League final in 04 and an AISF at the end of that decade. Adrian Flynn, Morris etc also. PJ was a little after the lads. The point I was making about the current team is that we dont currently have a Forde or Lyng to chip in with 7 or 8 extra points. We had PJ up until lately and we still have Ben. If our forwards had scored even a few extra points we wouldve beaten Sligo. We wouldve got promoted last year also. Our current back 6 arent bad at all. Midfield is ok. Our forwards dont score enough especially from out the field. Think of the points Forde and Lyng kicked over from 40 yards out with pressure on from top defenders. That's what we are lacking." And it's not even our wide count that it's our hindrance, we drop far too many point attempts short into the GK's arms, which is criminal at this level. I counted at least three instances vs Sligo, and it was mentioned a couple of times in the match report of the Cavan game. Either bad technique, lack of ability or poor coaching.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1419 - 10/02/2022 14:51:02
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Replying To beano: "And it's not even our wide count that it's our hindrance, we drop far too many point attempts short into the GK's arms, which is criminal at this level. I counted at least three instances vs Sligo, and it was mentioned a couple of times in the match report of the Cavan game. Either bad technique, lack of ability or poor coaching." was at cavan game, i made it 5 shots dropped in to keeper
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2843 - 10/02/2022 16:00:45
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Replying To beano: "And it's not even our wide count that it's our hindrance, we drop far too many point attempts short into the GK's arms, which is criminal at this level. I counted at least three instances vs Sligo, and it was mentioned a couple of times in the match report of the Cavan game. Either bad technique, lack of ability or poor coaching." For sure Beano. Unfortunately I think that ability is largely natural although honed by thousands of hours practicing after training sessions. Modern living means it's hard for young lads to put in those hours. And generational talent only occurs a couple of times a generation.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11890 - 10/02/2022 16:23:08
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Forecast is an horrendous wind into the town goal again on Sunday, any word on if Coleman will be availible? Missed the Sigerson semi final with injury.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 18/02/2022 12:10:00
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any news on u-20s v new york?
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2843 - 18/02/2022 21:12:23
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Team announced. Strange selection with a strong bench.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11890 - 19/02/2022 07:42:20
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lot giving out about the late call off, but in fairness the rain that came in the half hour before did the danage
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2843 - 20/02/2022 19:20:09
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