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Agree. Little or no progress made in last 2 years. Poor results too frequent and same players making same mistakes. We are on a par with Waterford sligo Leitrim and no better than them
Northcountyball (Wexford) - Posts: 17 - 30/01/2022 21:44:05 2397335 Link 0 |
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Might be going back to the hurlers reading between the lines of what Egan said.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 31/01/2022 07:52:44 2397347 Link 0 |
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Sligo and Waterford have beaten us most times we have played them the last few years.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 31/01/2022 07:56:12 2397348 Link 0 |
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Yeah few surprises to me like you said and possible game changers on the bench if the 15 named start, don't know if anything can be read in it but 14 of the 15 named started v Laois in Hollymount. Think Dylan Furlong is worth his starting place from the 2 games I saw and impressive club campaign last year too."]Agree about Furlong and the game changers on the bench. There are a couple of lads I wouldn't have on it named to start, but I have to give the benefit of the doubt to the management. Expecting a performance now to kick-start the campaign."]Good to see 3 Ross district players starting 4 if you include Ben. And 4 more on the bench. Surprised Niall Hughes isnt starting. Very strong bench if all the lads are fully fit although some are probably on the bench as they did look a little off form against Meath and Wicklow."]Unfortunately two of those aofrementioned Ross District lads were our worst performers on the day. Terrible display. Not scoring from play in the second half sums it up. We got cut apart down the stand side in the first half particularly and didn't address it at all. It says it all that our most attack-minded player in that first half was our goalie. KOG was completely at sea tracking back despite starting well enough. Nolan too also kicked a lovely point early on but was anonymous thereafter, although almost scored a wonderful team goal. Is a passenger too often to be a certain starter. Tobin is ultra consistent at club level but am not sure he is quite up to it at this level. I am on record saying Porter isn't good enough defensively for the full-back line, and he was badly exposed today. Terrible giveaway for their insurance point at the end. Even O'Connor wasn't his usual self but I thought Rossiter played well and looked trim, while Michael Furlong was excellent off the bench. Anyone know why Malone was taken off at HT?- we needed ball-carriers. Sligo were cynical and played down the clock every chance they got, and they have now beaten us four times in our last five encounters so certainly don't fear us. Carribine was the MOTM and kicked some lovely scores, while number 7 was very good too. Hughes at full-forward won three balls- almost scored two goals and won a free from the other. Didn't look happy been taking off. Promotion might be out of the window now, but the Division looks competitive with London bating Carlow and Waterford drawing with Tipp. Can't see us beating Cavan next week, but hope I am wrong. Would like to see some of the younger lads blooded now as there are lads there long enough now without much improvement. There were some banging tunes in Wexford Park pre-game and at half-time."]Furlong excellent off the bench? he lost possession in the tackle 3 times and his man Carrabine kicked 3 from play also in the second half, made a super block late in the game to be fair to him Game could of went either way, Malone going off was strange same with o grady was only forward getting on the ball, huge ask next week away to Cavan lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 186 - 31/01/2022 08:11:03 2397351 Link 0 |
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I also think mick furlong was poor in possession when he came on. Kicked the ball away a couple of times also. Surely tubbritt is a better option as a scoring forward or brooks..a lot of work to do football and fitness wise. Northcountyball (Wexford) - Posts: 17 - 31/01/2022 09:35:11 2397365 Link 0 |
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Yeah few surprises to me like you said and possible game changers on the bench if the 15 named start, don't know if anything can be read in it but 14 of the 15 named started v Laois in Hollymount. Think Dylan Furlong is worth his starting place from the 2 games I saw and impressive club campaign last year too."]Agree about Furlong and the game changers on the bench. There are a couple of lads I wouldn't have on it named to start, but I have to give the benefit of the doubt to the management. Expecting a performance now to kick-start the campaign."]Good to see 3 Ross district players starting 4 if you include Ben. And 4 more on the bench. Surprised Niall Hughes isnt starting. Very strong bench if all the lads are fully fit although some are probably on the bench as they did look a little off form against Meath and Wicklow."]Unfortunately two of those aofrementioned Ross District lads were our worst performers on the day. Terrible display. Not scoring from play in the second half sums it up. We got cut apart down the stand side in the first half particularly and didn't address it at all. It says it all that our most attack-minded player in that first half was our goalie. KOG was completely at sea tracking back despite starting well enough. Nolan too also kicked a lovely point early on but was anonymous thereafter, although almost scored a wonderful team goal. Is a passenger too often to be a certain starter. Tobin is ultra consistent at club level but am not sure he is quite up to it at this level. I am on record saying Porter isn't good enough defensively for the full-back line, and he was badly exposed today. Terrible giveaway for their insurance point at the end. Even O'Connor wasn't his usual self but I thought Rossiter played well and looked trim, while Michael Furlong was excellent off the bench. Anyone know why Malone was taken off at HT?- we needed ball-carriers. Sligo were cynical and played down the clock every chance they got, and they have now beaten us four times in our last five encounters so certainly don't fear us. Carribine was the MOTM and kicked some lovely scores, while number 7 was very good too. Hughes at full-forward won three balls- almost scored two goals and won a free from the other. Didn't look happy been taking off. Promotion might be out of the window now, but the Division looks competitive with London bating Carlow and Waterford drawing with Tipp. Can't see us beating Cavan next week, but hope I am wrong. Would like to see some of the younger lads blooded now as there are lads there long enough now without much improvement. There were some banging tunes in Wexford Park pre-game and at half-time."]Furlong excellent off the bench? he lost possession in the tackle 3 times and his man Carrabine kicked 3 from play also in the second half, made a super block late in the game to be fair to him Game could of went either way, Malone going off was strange same with o grady was only forward getting on the ball, huge ask next week away to Cavan"]Still goes back to the point I made a couple weeks ago. We need a more mobile defensive minded centre forward to slow down opponents counter attacks before they get going to allow us the extra few seconds for lads to start getting back. Kevin is defo not the right man for that job. Better to have Kevin wing forward and going inside ahead of whoever we have as a sitting centre forward just between halfway and the opponents 45. And as we move the ball backwards and forwards across the pitch in attack he moves to cover whoever they have as an out ball for a counterattack whenever we get turned over. Niall Hughes or Glen Malone for centre forward maybe? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 31/01/2022 10:20:46 2397381 Link 0 |
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im good friends with a well known football man and author who has always said roche is not up to the job, i never agree with him but there are questions after yesterday , the strongest team was not put out, the center forward problem which was well flagged, persisted, noone thought o grady was the answer, and why was malone taken off? having said that how the hell did the ball stay out of the sligo net sat least 3/4 times? they really upped the pace at the start of the 2 th half after looking to be at half pace in the 1st half but could not sustain it Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 31/01/2022 10:49:14 2397392 Link 0 |
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Please tell me your joking? Why would he want to play Div 4 football with a team who's main goal is basically past them already and its still January? Div 4 promotion and maybe win one championship match. Most illogical thing I've ever read. To go with the fact he only plays it with the club as feels the need to.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 643 - 31/01/2022 10:57:01 2397401 Link 0 |
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When Lyons, who battled hard despite his limitations, hobbled off, we brought on an extra defender when we could have been more proactive and put in Tubs or Brooks at that time (and move Niall to midfield). It was all too complicated as if we were trying to out-clever Sligo. Hard to outwit a Crossmaglen man on the sideline. Another questionable decision was having Brosnan tracking back while Nolan stood inside doing nothing- we would be far, far better set-up leaving Brosnan and another scoring forward inside at all times (Rossiter my pick), and letting the likes of Nolan do the donkey-work. No wonder we couldn't create anything when we needed to. Whatever about Furlong playing or not playing well, Carrabine also destroyed Malone in the first half, so it wasn't like he suddenly exploded into life as soon as Furlong went on him (in hindsight, Malone was poor). Of Carrabine's three points after the break, one was a '45, the other came when a Wexford player blocked down a shot and it bounced into his path, while the third was an audacious effort in the left corner. Furlong brought more bite and tenacity that was sorely missing up to then. Okay, his passing might have been poor on occasion, but was it as bad as Porter's horrendous giveaway at the end? It was a collective poor showing all round. As for re-jigging the centre-forward berth, Paudie Hughes could be an option there. He plays at 10 or 12 for DCU in the Sigerson, and would be our most penetrative player in terms of gaining yards in the carry. It would allow Dylan Furlong to slot in at wing-back, and also allow us to play a sweeper if needed. His namesake isn't a centre-forward, and Glen's best role is running from deep, although could be worth exploring there. beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1418 - 31/01/2022 11:07:35 2397405 Link 0 |
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Fair points Beano. Yes porter giving the ball away was very poor . Maybe he isn't a full back and might be suited best out the pitch. Also when I looked in the first half it looked as if we had no players inside the 45 despite playing with a strong breeze. With the breeze you need 3 scorers inside who can kick the ball over the bar. As there was little option players had no choice but to play across pitch or backwards. And while changing managers isn't always the answer as the last few can't all be wrong ,the players may just not be there. I do feel the likes of a pat roe would help on the line in some capacity. Northcountyball (Wexford) - Posts: 17 - 31/01/2022 11:47:47 2397426 Link 0 |
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Agreed Roche is not up to it huge questions after yesterday. Judging from club championship Shels and Gussrane dominated. Only 3 representatives form either club. Shels within a minute of a Leinster final. I no it's hard to get lads to commit and hurling team has a lot of good footballers but tactically we were very naive yesterday. My team for yesterday judging on club champ and O'Byrne cup would have been Brooks (Craig McCabe either not asked or won't commit) M Furlong Martin O'Connor (Sheehan when fit) Staples (shels) (dropped from panel) Dylan furlong (Paudi when O'Connor back out) Paudi Hughes (O'Connor when Sheehan back) Glen malone (admittedly poor yesterday) Niall Hughes Coleman Tom Byrne (played well yesterday) Grame Cullen (not even asked into panel) Nolan Mark rossiter John tubritt Ben Subs Matt Doyle Dylan furlong (when Sheehan back) Arny Murphy (dropped from panel) KOG Mini Ryan Alan Tobin Dean O'toole Lyon's Robbie Barron James cash (Shels) Padraig OLeary (Shels) Conway (gussrane) Billy Kelly (bunclody) Eoin Kelly (bunclody) Tactics drop Nolan into midfield tubritt to wing forward and leave 2 good scoring forwards inside in brosnan and rossiter. There's 29 players I no a lot on the panel already but surely this squad would put up a better showing. Can't see how best club players either asked in or are dropped without playing a game. A lot of bias at the minute towards certain districts of selectors or even one club that got bet in county quarter final. outsideoftheleft (Wexford) - Posts: 5 - 31/01/2022 14:28:47 2397495 Link 0 |
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I think Billy Kelly from Bunclody might have gone travelling since the club championship finished, fair points overall. Based on club championship I think Mini deserved more of a run in the O'Byrne cup but maybe management think he's too light for intercounty. I'm presuming Ronan Devereux won't commit cause he certainly is good enough to be involved.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 31/01/2022 14:44:41 2397505 Link 0 |
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Lucky your not picking the team so seeing as your indulging in hypotheticals. Why have lads on your team that aren't part of the current panel? We can only work with what's there, and it's not like they have deliberately shunned someone out of club allegience. You name these fellas who had a good campaign (fair enough) without knowing they'd be able to commit, yet omitted one of the best players on the club scene consistenly over the last few years who is still good enough to command a place as things stand and was an un-used sub yestersay. Since you brought district bias into it, and allege that there is something untoward at play, here's a stat: of the ten points scored yesterday, all but two came from the Gorey district. Meanwhile, two of the fabled Ross district reps were probably our worst performers, and a third that came on made no impression (though should be a nailed-on starter to be fair). One of our county champions reps got taken off at HT, while, as one of his club-mates who is a football fanatic told me when leaving the game, the other was Shels worst forward this year yet lasted 65 mins yesterday. I do think that we could do with a more experienced head at the helm, but the management can only work with what they have. Good club form doesn't translate to county standard as anyone with half a braincell could attest. beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1418 - 31/01/2022 15:04:34 2397510 Link 0 |
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This same crap of Castletown Bias or district bias is rubbish and needs to stop. One of the most consistent football clubs in the county for the past 20 years and just because of the involvement of a Castletown man in the management the bias word is thrown around. It was the same carry on with last years minor team with district bias being raised as an issue. It's very simple. If they're good enough and want to be there, they're there. FootballRising (Wexford) - Posts: 26 - 31/01/2022 15:14:25 2397513 Link 0 |
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I don't really care about district bias, think its a bit nonsensical, I taught there was 3-4 strange selection calls yesterday pre game and the lads unlucky were spread over 3 districts. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 31/01/2022 16:35:31 2397550 Link 0 |
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Well said. Geography doesn't come into it
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1418 - 31/01/2022 17:54:33 2397566 Link 0 |
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Agree. It's a real red herring. I only mentioned the number of Ross district players selected because at the end of last year there were posters inferring that football had died in the area. As regards team selection we dont know who's putting their hand up in training. As Beano also pointed out a lad could be great for his club but not have the attributes to be a successful intercounty player, where tactics and formations are far more important. We still seem to be unable to stop teams scoring quick points and goals when our attacks break down. And we are still too slow to get the ball forward when the shoe is on the other foot. Overall we didnt concede too many points yesterday we just didnt score enough. There were points left behind trying to work goals which maybe wasnt the best tactic in a low scoring game. Sligo were very well organized defensively and tactically cute as you would expect from their manager. They will be a handful for anyone in our division. Maybe lads who were canonising Shane Roche as a saviour last season should pull their horns back in for a while now after just one bad result. Yes, a win would have been great but anyone assuming Sligo wont be in the mix for promotion and therefore would just roll over in the Park was sadly mistaken.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 31/01/2022 18:09:00 2397570 Link 0 |
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Agree. It's a real red herring. I only mentioned the number of Ross district players selected because at the end of last year there were posters inferring that football had died in the area. As regards team selection we dont know who's putting their hand up in training. As Beano also pointed out a lad could be great for his club but not have the attributes to be a successful intercounty player, where tactics and formations are far more important. We still seem to be unable to stop teams scoring quick points and goals when our attacks break down. And we are still too slow to get the ball forward when the shoe is on the other foot. Overall we didnt concede too many points yesterday we just didnt score enough. There were points left behind trying to work goals which maybe wasnt the best tactic in a low scoring game. Sligo were very well organized defensively and tactically cute as you would expect from their manager. They will be a handful for anyone in our division. Maybe lads who were canonising Shane Roche as a saviour last season should pull their horns back in for a while now after just one bad result. Yes, a win would have been great but anyone assuming Sligo wont be in the mix for promotion and therefore would just roll over in the Park was sadly mistaken.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 31/01/2022 18:09:10 2397571 Link 0 |
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One bad defeat? I can't see last year as a success at all. We played 2 league games in a group of 3 where 2 teams qualified for semi finals. We lost both games to Waterford and carlow. Yes we beat wicklow in a close game and then lost to Dublin. Northcountyball (Wexford) - Posts: 17 - 01/02/2022 11:22:48 2397653 Link 0 |
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I didnt say it was a success. We lost narrowly to Carlow and Waterford because we couldnt defend the counter attack. We still cant. We are still tactically naive. We dont have half forwards who can defend particularly well. It was good to get a 1st championship win in years though. One swallow doesn't make a summer however and we are still no better than Sligo Waterford Carlow etc never mind Tipp and Cavan. We have a young manager who is learning on the job and supporters with unrealistically high expectations being as they seem to have assumed we would beat Sligo handy judging by the reaction on this.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11876 - 01/02/2022 11:57:17 2397668 Link 0 |