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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "I agree with you StoreysTash. Viking is a glass half full person which is a good way to be but a dose of realism is no harm neither. Last Saturday's result is a disaster and the only way I can see us qualifying now is for Kilkenny to beat both Galway and Dublin and be qualified going into to our final game. Do I think they will? No, I think they might win one but could easily lose both and it'll be winner takes all in nowlan park . Kilkenny haven't been tested yet and I think we'll be a lot wiser about them after next Sunday.
At the end of the day we aren't hurling well and anyone thinking differently is deluded"
We aren't hurling well but we have been improving half on half in the 2 games so far. Yes I am a glass is half full type of person. I don't see any point in being all doom and gloom and being gutted that we haven't qualified when the reality is we don't know that yet. Plenty of time to be gutted about not qualifying if we don't qualify.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 26/04/2022 12:15:43    2413303

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Replying To Afinestick:  "I agree we aren't hurling well at all. What I'm hoping for is the lads go out with freedom and get 2 good wins under our belts against Laois and Westmeath . Then go up to Kilkenny and throw everything at them. We always have one big performance in us . Back in 2019 7 points got us into a Leinster final and I'd be amazed if 7 points didn't at least get us third place this year . There is still hope but everyone knows we need a big improvement"
In 2019, we only had 5 points (one win and three draws), and got to a Leinster Final. But two things to remember:

1 - There was only one 'weaker team' in the group then, in the form of Carlow. There are two now (Laois and Westmeath). No disrespect to either, but all the other sides would be counting on beating them both. So 5 points in 2019 would be the equivalent of 7 points now all right.

2 - But...while Wexford and Kilkenny went into the final with 5 points then, Galway went out of the competition...also with 5 points. So even 7 points now (the equivalent of 5 points then) wouldn't guarantee you anything.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3004 - 26/04/2022 12:47:39    2413312

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I lean towards being optimistic as well but some times you have to be realistic. We knew from the minute the draw happened the 2 first games were must-win. We threw Saturday away and it was a result of could have should haves.
I understand that if we win the last 3 games we will qualify."
I agree it has been very frustrating so far Storeystash. If we had played 70 minutes of hurling instead of 20 we would have beaten Galway. They were poor too as might be expected for both teams 1st time out and with new managers. I was sitting in the stand in the 1st half thinking the players were in some sort of competition to see who could play poorer. Which we won comfortably.
I then thought maybe I was being hard on the 30 lads but then when I watched the recording back aftger I got home I realised my 1st impressions were right.
The 2nd game was even more frustrating. We created more chances than them. Created better goal chances. Won more frees. Won a penalty, albeit a bit soft. Had less lads booked. We were the better team. And yet still lost in traditional Wexford style.
I'm fully aware we have no god given right to be winning games against Galway or Dublin or anyone else in the Leinster championship. We aren't by nature arrogant hurling people. In fact maybe too much the other way if anything. But I also know we might turn things around in the last 3 games.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 26/04/2022 12:55:56    2413316

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "In 2019, we only had 5 points (one win and three draws), and got to a Leinster Final. But two things to remember:

1 - There was only one 'weaker team' in the group then, in the form of Carlow. There are two now (Laois and Westmeath). No disrespect to either, but all the other sides would be counting on beating them both. So 5 points in 2019 would be the equivalent of 7 points now all right.

2 - But...while Wexford and Kilkenny went into the final with 5 points then, Galway went out of the competition...also with 5 points. So even 7 points now (the equivalent of 5 points then) wouldn't guarantee you anything."
It's clear then we need work up a score the next 2 games it's very important . I would see Sunday as a potential banana skin though Laois will be up for it in Portlaoise . We need to go into the Kilkenny game knowing a win will put us through .

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/04/2022 13:11:19    2413319

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "I lean towards being optimistic as well but some times you have to be realistic. We knew from the minute the draw happened the 2 first games were must-win. We threw Saturday away and it was a result of could have should haves.
I understand that if we win the last 3 games we will qualify."
I agree it has been very frustrating so far Storeystash. If we had played 70 minutes of hurling instead of 20 we would have beaten Galway. They were poor too as might be expected for both teams 1st time out and with new managers. I was sitting in the stand in the 1st half thinking the players were in some sort of competition to see who could play poorer. Which we won comfortably.
I then thought maybe I was being hard on the 30 lads but then when I watched the recording back aftger I got home I realised my 1st impressions were right.
The 2nd game was even more frustrating. We created more chances than them. Created better goal chances. Won more frees. Won a penalty, albeit a bit soft. Had less lads booked. We were the better team. And yet still lost in traditional Wexford style.
I'm fully aware we have no god given right to be winning games against Galway or Dublin or anyone else in the Leinster championship. We aren't by nature arrogant hurling people. In fact maybe too much the other way if anything. But I also know we might turn things around in the last 3 games.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 26/04/2022 13:19:52    2413322

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Replying To Viking66:  "Read the post you are answering Fulgrim. The most Kilkenny can finish on IF WE BEAT THEM is 8."
Even if we don't beat KK and Galway loose to both KK and Dublin then it will be down to scoring difference.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 548 - 26/04/2022 13:34:33    2413327

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Replying To Afinestick:  "It's clear then we need work up a score the next 2 games it's very important . I would see Sunday as a potential banana skin though Laois will be up for it in Portlaoise . We need to go into the Kilkenny game knowing a win will put us through ."
Agreed Afinestick. We need to try win the game firstly and then go for goals if we can secondly. We beat them by 20 points last year with pretty much the same team although Chin was fully fit.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 26/04/2022 13:42:53    2413330

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On another note actually... Should call out the referee was very good last weekend.

The penalty was a bit soft but other than that he got most things right. Had no bearing on the result in the end.

I'd be the first to say so when a ref is poor so fair play to him.

I didn't have the heart to watch it again until yesterday.

To be fair Dublin just wanted it really badly.

The block at the end summed them up and they got some great scores too.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3875 - 26/04/2022 13:55:23    2413337

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "On another note actually... Should call out the referee was very good last weekend.

The penalty was a bit soft but other than that he got most things right. Had no bearing on the result in the end.

I'd be the first to say so when a ref is poor so fair play to him.

I didn't have the heart to watch it again until yesterday.

To be fair Dublin just wanted it really badly.

The block at the end summed them up and they got some great scores too."
Goes to show that with the right grit and determination you can win games where you have less chances created etc etc.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 26/04/2022 14:26:31    2413350

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Replying To Viking66:  "Read the post you are answering Fulgrim. The most Kilkenny can finish on IF WE BEAT THEM is 8."
Fair enough, guess I misread it.

Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 270 - 26/04/2022 14:29:57    2413352

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Team for the weekend-
Fanning
Devitt
Ryan
Donohue
Flood
Reck
P Foley
Liam og
Dee
O Foley
K Foley
Banville
Dunbar
Mac
Rory
Thinking being- rest MOH, Banville in for freetaking and see how he goes in open play, Kevin still in to see can he play himself back into form, and Dunbar in for goal threat. Depending how we get on with that team next time out maybe rest Dee or Liam og or both against Westmeath.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16772 - 26/04/2022 14:31:35    2413353

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "On another note actually... Should call out the referee was very good last weekend.

The penalty was a bit soft but other than that he got most things right. Had no bearing on the result in the end.

I'd be the first to say so when a ref is poor so fair play to him.

I didn't have the heart to watch it again until yesterday.

To be fair Dublin just wanted it really badly.

The block at the end summed them up and they got some great scores too."
Fully agree ref was good on Saturday and Dublin deserved their win in the end

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/04/2022 14:32:59    2413355

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Any news on Jack O Connors injury? Surely we will make 3 or 4 changes for Sunday . Chin must start anyway

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/04/2022 14:37:37    2413357

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Fanning
Devitt
Ryan
Donohue
P Foley
Reck
Flood
Mogie
Dee
JOC
Chin/Banville
O Foley
Dunbar
Mac
Rory

Team for Sunday. I wouldn't make too many changes it's still championship, would really like to see Banville get a shot but to be honest I'll be shocked if he starts.

ChinCanHurl (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 26/04/2022 15:25:17    2413369

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Replying To Viking66:  "I agree it has been very frustrating so far Storeystash. If we had played 70 minutes of hurling instead of 20 we would have beaten Galway. They were poor too as might be expected for both teams 1st time out and with new managers. I was sitting in the stand in the 1st half thinking the players were in some sort of competition to see who could play poorer. Which we won comfortably.
I then thought maybe I was being hard on the 30 lads but then when I watched the recording back aftger I got home I realised my 1st impressions were right.
The 2nd game was even more frustrating. We created more chances than them. Created better goal chances. Won more frees. Won a penalty, albeit a bit soft. Had less lads booked. We were the better team. And yet still lost in traditional Wexford style.
I'm fully aware we have no god given right to be winning games against Galway or Dublin or anyone else in the Leinster championship. We aren't by nature arrogant hurling people. In fact maybe too much the other way if anything. But I also know we might turn things around in the last 3 games."
I don't have Sky Sports so can't watch it back this time but my opinion throughout was Dublin just wanted it more.
I try to be positive as well as what can we do only keep going but I think team selection was poor as was player performance and just not taking chances at inter county level is not good enough.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1923 - 26/04/2022 15:26:52    2413372

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Replying To Viking66:  "Goes to show that with the right grit and determination you can win games where you have less chances created etc etc."
I'm a big believer in that generally to be honest.

Hurling is a pretty simple game.

Rule number 1 is to hassle the opposition and make life hard then. That will go a long long way towards a positive result and I think we're lacking in energy the last 3 games which is the biggest concern.

We know these lads are able to hurl.

There's something in attitude, body language etc. That's missing lately.

Shooting practice is the obvious fix, but we need our hearts in it or we won't turn it around.

If the work rate is there for the next 3 games we have a chance

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3875 - 26/04/2022 15:37:10    2413375

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "It is definitely not the most negative post this week, let alone ever.
You can call it negative, I call it realistic and to be brutally honest you are losing it if you think we can go to Nowlan Park to play an improving KK side and win based on the last 2 weeks performances.
Cockney_Cat has explained it, not alone do we need to win our last 3 games but we are relying on other results to extend our summer at this point."
I think the question around a free taker is a big one. Lets face it Mac is in there for his goal threat but if that doesn't happen then you would say at times he doesn't contribute much else - ROC may not score for the whole game from play but what he does in that forward line is huge, so do you carry a goal threat but not a free taker? Banville is not the quickest either but from what I have seen of him in Club hurling he works hard and couldn't be much worse than what is in there - if he is that much worse, why have him in the subs in the first place. If the plan is always to bring on Chin in the second half all you are gambling on is 35-40mins? that perhaps makes too much sense!
Anyway I cannot see us winning in NP without Chin but not just because of the frees, from 2019 we have not brough in any standout players or any workhorses with physicality. We still remain a light team around the middle 3rd which is where Chin is needed. Kilkenny in NP will be ravenous and I feal we could end the season on very poor note,

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2036 - 26/04/2022 15:46:36    2413380

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Fully agree ref was good on Saturday and Dublin deserved their win in the end"
He was very good. One point I would make, were the fouls on Rory every time he got around his man not black cards?
It was not the reason we lost, but he was being persistently fouled every time he got around them.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1923 - 26/04/2022 15:57:46    2413383

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Replying To ChinCanHurl:  "Fanning
Devitt
Ryan
Donohue
P Foley
Reck
Flood
Mogie
Dee
JOC
Chin/Banville
O Foley
Dunbar
Mac
Rory

Team for Sunday. I wouldn't make too many changes it's still championship, would really like to see Banville get a shot but to be honest I'll be shocked if he starts."
I would like to see Chin and Jack O Connor come in for McGuckin and Kevin Foley. We need there physical presence in there simple as. I would also like to see Devitt get a chance and Dunbar given a start also .

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/04/2022 16:54:30    2413403

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "He was very good. One point I would make, were the fouls on Rory every time he got around his man not black cards?
It was not the reason we lost, but he was being persistently fouled every time he got around them."
I don't think I've seen a black card issued yet in hurling this year, in either league or championship.

Isn't it suposed to be when somebody is fouled when he has a clear goalscoring chance inside the 20m line? So surely the foul that led to the penalty should have been a black card anyway, since Rory was in on goal otherwise?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3004 - 26/04/2022 17:54:15    2413418

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