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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Viking, I admire your optimism but the way I see it, a neutral viewpoint. Wexford have 1 point from two home games. You were lucky in the first game, Galway threw it away. As for the Dublin game, how many Wexford supporters expected to loose that? From what I've seen, it's not so much the results that are worrying, but the way Wexford are playing.
Yes, it's still possible for Wexford to get out of Leinster, even contest the final. But, I cannot see Galway losing at home to Dublin, or Kilkenny losing away to them. From what I've seen so far, I think this year's Kilkenny team could be better than the teams of the last few years. I think they'll make the Leinster final." Why can't you see Galway losing to Dublin? It's been usual outcome for last fair while now.
Indeed, I reckon Galway will be in exact same place as Wexford points wise after next weekend so some Wexford folk are being a tad pessimistic. I reckon Galway will have 5 points going into our game in Salthill.
All three apart from Kilkenny most likely be needing something from the last day.
I do agree with you about Cats. Clear favourites to win Leinster in my book and only Leinster team that might give Limerick a rattle.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 25/04/2022 16:33:38
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Replying To Past hurler: "Bringing on Conor Hearne in the 72nd minute for McGuckin was madness!
Hearne should have came on early in the second half, he has loads of hurling." You mustn't have been at the game, or else you weren't paying much attention to it.
McGuckin went down with cramp in the 71st minute and Conor Hearne was called on. It was obviously not the plan to bring him on in the 72nd minute but it was necessary.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 25/04/2022 17:02:10
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Viking, I admire your optimism but the way I see it, a neutral viewpoint. Wexford have 1 point from two home games. You were lucky in the first game, Galway threw it away. As for the Dublin game, how many Wexford supporters expected to loose that? From what I've seen, it's not so much the results that are worrying, but the way Wexford are playing.
Yes, it's still possible for Wexford to get out of Leinster, even contest the final. But, I cannot see Galway losing at home to Dublin, or Kilkenny losing away to them. From what I've seen so far, I think this year's Kilkenny team could be better than the teams of the last few years. I think they'll make the Leinster final." Did you watch the Dublin game? We created more chances, had more clearcut goal chances, won more frees in scoring positions (which sadly we then missed more of), and that against a good Dublin team. We drew with Galway after only hurling for 20 minutes. Yes they should of seen it out but then the reverse side of that coin is that we didn't let them see it out. I agree the odds are against us winning our last 3 games but they are all against teams we have a good recent record against. Certainly I wouldn't see Kilkenny as being any more likely to win than 6-4 on though I haven't looked up the bookies odds. I'm not sure Kilkenny are better this year. It was very telling that some of the team from last year replaced some of the newer lads when you were struggling to put Westmeath away. And then kept their places against Laois. We won't really know what Blanchfield, Kenny, Butler etc are really like until after the next 3 games. Yes they had good Leagues but then again this Wexford team won all 5 League group games against significantly better opponents with the exception of Offaly.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 25/04/2022 17:08:41
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Replying To Cockney_Cat: "Viking, I admire your optimism but the way I see it, a neutral viewpoint. Wexford have 1 point from two home games. You were lucky in the first game, Galway threw it away. As for the Dublin game, how many Wexford supporters expected to loose that? From what I've seen, it's not so much the results that are worrying, but the way Wexford are playing.
Yes, it's still possible for Wexford to get out of Leinster, even contest the final. But, I cannot see Galway losing at home to Dublin, or Kilkenny losing away to them. From what I've seen so far, I think this year's Kilkenny team could be better than the teams of the last few years. I think they'll make the Leinster final." Did you watch the Dublin game? We created more chances, had more clearcut goal chances, won more frees in scoring positions (which sadly we then missed more of), and that against a good Dublin team. We drew with Galway after only hurling for 20 minutes. Yes they should of seen it out but then the reverse side of that coin is that we didn't let them see it out. I agree the odds are against us winning our last 3 games but they are all against teams we have a good recent record against. Certainly I wouldn't see Kilkenny as being any more likely to win than 6-4 on though I haven't looked up the bookies odds. I'm not sure Kilkenny are better this year. It was very telling that some of the team from last year replaced some of the newer lads when you were struggling to put Westmeath away. And then kept their places against Laois. We won't really know what Blanchfield, Kenny, Butler etc are really like until after the next 3 games. Yes they had good Leagues but then again this Wexford team won all 5 League group games against significantly better opponents with the exception of Offaly.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 25/04/2022 17:09:04
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Replying To Past hurler: "Darragh Egan is way out of his depth in this job.
Give out about Davy all you want, but he had a very good Inter-county CV when he took over the Wexford job.
I agree with the above, Ross Banville couldn't be any worse from play than some of our starting forwards so why not start him when we know he is the best free-taker in Wexford?
Too may of the Wexford forwards are contributing nothing on the scoreboard" There is no evidence yet that Egan is any better or worse than Davy.
So far he has had 2 championship games, without Chin able to start, and we had very similar results against both Dublin and Galway as we did under Davy.
Converting just 1 of the missed frees along with either the penalty or the McDonald chance raising the green flag, we would have bettered our best result v Dublin under Davy.
Last week we equalled our best result v Galway under Davy.
Davy wasn't the problem, Egan isn't the problem and the next manager won't be the problem either.
The problem is we do not have the players good enough to consistently get results at the top level. We have players good enough to occasionally get a result, but not consistently.
Our senior club championship for all it's closeness and competitiveness is a pretty poor standard and our underage teams have hardly been setting the world alight over the last 5/6 years.
Our best 3/4 players are as good as any county's, but we don't have enough of them. There are players on our starting team who wouldn't even be in most other top counties panels. And that has been the case for at least the last 20 years.
For the record:
Davy's Championship record v Galway:
9 point loss, 9 point loss, Draw, 13 point loss
Egan's Championship record v Galway:
Draw
Davy's Championship record v Dublin:
2 point win, Draw
Egan's Championship record v Dublin:
1 point loss
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 25/04/2022 17:25:08
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Replying To WEX98: "I think in reality it's 4 teams, 3 places, and we have played two out of our 3 games (forgetting Laois and Westmeath).
We're only -1 after the two games in a very competitive competition but for me it's the frustration of watching Wexford, we seem to be giving ourselves extra work, we should back ourselves a bit more. We are just too defensive, afraid to go all out attack." Yes it is soooooo frustrating. But it has been so for nearly my whole time following the team since the 90s. Occasional epic victories against all the odds but more usually snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Losing epic encounters by the odd point. With the odd hammering thrown in too. But I still wouldn't give up following them and more importantly the players shouldnt give up either. This team isn't a million miles away.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16767 - 25/04/2022 17:32:37
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Replying To Viking66: "Yes it is in our own hands if we finish on 7. If we win our last 3 games we will have 7 points. Most Kilkenny can then finish on is 8 if they beat Dublin and Galway. If Dublin beat Galway also the most Galway can finish on is 5. If Galway beat Dublin the most the Dubs can finish on is 6. If Dublin beat KK to finish on 8 the most Kilkenny can finish on is 6 if they lose to us and Dublin. If we win our last 3 we will be at least 3rd if not 2nd. And we have already played the 2 counties we have the worst record against over the last 8 or 9 years. In the Championship we haven't beaten Galway since 1996 and we have only beaten Dublin once since the noughties as far as I can remember.
Really this discussion is why we have won so little at the very top level since the 60s in a nutshell and why we keep losing the close games at all grades. We have collectively, as a county of people, a chronic lack of belief. It took a man who spent most of his formative years studying and hurling in Munster, Liam Griffin, to get us our only significant, as in AI, success at any grade since the 60s." Huh? The most Kilkenny can finish on is 10 not 8. The points totals are all out of 10, not 8.
Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 270 - 25/04/2022 19:08:19
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Replying To WEX98: "I think in reality it's 4 teams, 3 places, and we have played two out of our 3 games (forgetting Laois and Westmeath).
We're only -1 after the two games in a very competitive competition but for me it's the frustration of watching Wexford, we seem to be giving ourselves extra work, we should back ourselves a bit more. We are just too defensive, afraid to go all out attack." See what happened against waterford and you want us to back ourselves more in attack?
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 410 - 25/04/2022 20:35:28
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Replying To ChinCanHurl: "There are plenty of permutations that have us finish third at least so I'm not giving up hope just yet, hopefully the panels outlook is brighter than some on here. Saying that some things have to change and fast.
Mcguckin cannot start the next day, I'd bring jack back in for him. Maybe Jack throwing the hurl against Waterford has damaged his place on the team, it was mentioned afterwards by a few pundits that it could well harm his starting chances. Whatever the reason he needs to come back in.
We need a free taker and I agree why not start Banville against Laois and Westmeath see how we go. It won't happen though.
It's going to be tough to qualify now but while it is still possible we need to stay behind the team and give it everything until the last day, hopefully a good few travel for the Laois game." What in gods name are Banville and these lads training for all year if they can't even get a half of hurling against Westmeath and Laois.
It would be different if the 6 forwards were causing wreck in each game but only Rory and Mac deserve a guaranteed starting jersey up front after the last two games.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 974 - 25/04/2022 21:34:53
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Replying To StoreysTash: "So rumours of Chin's upcoming leg amputation must be true after all. As I said earlier, my cousin is a physio and there are no sporting injuries which take 2 years to recover from. He said he might have something like Gilmore's groin which is a slow recovery but he said even those sort of injuries require rest but nowhere near 2 years.
Back to the match, Saturday was so disappointing.
First up, I sat on the open side in Wexford Park for the first time full and it must be the worst place in Ireland to watch a match. The slope on it is atrocious, you can barely see over the head of the person in front. It is so bad.
Re the match, it was arrogant of management to start the exact same half forward line and midfield which were destroyed v Galway. If I was a Dublin hurler, that would say to me that we don't rate you and can get away with it.
I don't get the puck out strategy at all. Give to full back who runs with the ball 10-15 yards and pops it over McDonald's head or drives it down the field to a man in space. What sort of tactic is that? O'Donnell is too good of a hurler to not use the ball well and this tactic has now failed in 3 games. What is the thinking here? I see none.
I don't criticise players as club senior hurling is a difficult level so inter county hurling must be off the charts. But the penalty and McDonald goal chance have to be scored at any grade from junior c upward. A few very bad misses from frees, and play, cost us this match.
There were some good performances, the backs hurled well and Damien Reck was outstanding again but the pressure they are under is consistent since midfield and half forward line are not contributing enough.
Not having a 9/10 free taker is killing us and is costing us big games. Is it time to start Ross Banville? He is the best free taker in the panel and one of the best in club hurling in Wexford and is also a good hurler so will contribute from play.
But all the above said, Dublin just wanted it more than we did.
I was in Thurles yesterday as gf is from Tipp and the display by Clare was a world apart from either team in Wexford.
That all said, our team is a rebuild job and we need the likes of McGuckin, Dwyer, etc to come through. They will only get better with more game time. Not having 5 subs to throw in is a worry. Especially when management thought the like of Harry Kehoe surplus to requirement." Maybe it's just a case of your cousin not being familiar with the exact nature of chins injury. Like I said before, apparently it's an unusual injury.
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Replying To Viking66: "That's the single most negative post I ever read. We are 2 games into a 5 game round Robin. We drew with 1 of our main rivals and lost to another by a point. And so you reckon we won't finish in the top 3 already. God you are some quitter." It is definitely not the most negative post this week, let alone ever.
You can call it negative, I call it realistic and to be brutally honest you are losing it if you think we can go to Nowlan Park to play an improving KK side and win based on the last 2 weeks performances.
Cockney_Cat has explained it, not alone do we need to win our last 3 games but we are relying on other results to extend our summer at this point.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1922 - 26/04/2022 08:52:19
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Replying To StoreysTash: "It is definitely not the most negative post this week, let alone ever.
You can call it negative, I call it realistic and to be brutally honest you are losing it if you think we can go to Nowlan Park to play an improving KK side and win based on the last 2 weeks performances.
Cockney_Cat has explained it, not alone do we need to win our last 3 games but we are relying on other results to extend our summer at this point." Am I right in saying we should get through in third if we win our last 3 games? If results went our way and we picked up big scores against Laois and Westmeath aswell as nick a win in Kilkenny we could even get second . Very hard to see after our first two performances though
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/04/2022 09:48:02
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Replying To StoreysTash: "It is definitely not the most negative post this week, let alone ever.
You can call it negative, I call it realistic and to be brutally honest you are losing it if you think we can go to Nowlan Park to play an improving KK side and win based on the last 2 weeks performances.
Cockney_Cat has explained it, not alone do we need to win our last 3 games but we are relying on other results to extend our summer at this point." I agree with you StoreysTash. Viking is a glass half full person which is a good way to be but a dose of realism is no harm neither. Last Saturday's result is a disaster and the only way I can see us qualifying now is for Kilkenny to beat both Galway and Dublin and be qualified going into to our final game. Do I think they will? No, I think they might win one but could easily lose both and it'll be winner takes all in nowlan park . Kilkenny haven't been tested yet and I think we'll be a lot wiser about them after next Sunday.
At the end of the day we aren't hurling well and anyone thinking differently is deluded
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Replying To Viking66: "Yes it is soooooo frustrating. But it has been so for nearly my whole time following the team since the 90s. Occasional epic victories against all the odds but more usually snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Losing epic encounters by the odd point. With the odd hammering thrown in too. But I still wouldn't give up following them and more importantly the players shouldnt give up either. This team isn't a million miles away." Christ I'll never give up following them....and I probably am over critical at times.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 548 - 26/04/2022 10:27:19
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I agree with you StoreysTash. Viking is a glass half full person which is a good way to be but a dose of realism is no harm neither. Last Saturday's result is a disaster and the only way I can see us qualifying now is for Kilkenny to beat both Galway and Dublin and be qualified going into to our final game. Do I think they will? No, I think they might win one but could easily lose both and it'll be winner takes all in nowlan park . Kilkenny haven't been tested yet and I think we'll be a lot wiser about them after next Sunday.
At the end of the day we aren't hurling well and anyone thinking differently is deluded" I agree we aren't hurling well at all. What I'm hoping for is the lads go out with freedom and get 2 good wins under our belts against Laois and Westmeath . Then go up to Kilkenny and throw everything at them. We always have one big performance in us . Back in 2019 7 points got us into a Leinster final and I'd be amazed if 7 points didn't at least get us third place this year . There is still hope but everyone knows we need a big improvement
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 26/04/2022 10:30:51
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Replying To Tiger1: "See what happened against waterford and you want us to back ourselves more in attack?" 100%, start in the full foward line.....if you want to clear that ball you'll have to go through me first. Play the game in their half, put them under pressure, make them make mistakes, win the breaks, put them on the back foot. Dont let them play any good ball up the field. If the opposition is better than you and you let them play heads up hurling your gone.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 548 - 26/04/2022 10:31:10
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I agree with you StoreysTash. Viking is a glass half full person which is a good way to be but a dose of realism is no harm neither. Last Saturday's result is a disaster and the only way I can see us qualifying now is for Kilkenny to beat both Galway and Dublin and be qualified going into to our final game. Do I think they will? No, I think they might win one but could easily lose both and it'll be winner takes all in nowlan park . Kilkenny haven't been tested yet and I think we'll be a lot wiser about them after next Sunday.
At the end of the day we aren't hurling well and anyone thinking differently is deluded" Which is pretty amazing to think he maintains his optimism despite being a Wexford fan. Being a 90s kid it's been nothing but beatings, false dawns, and the occasional win here and there.
KK aren't an unknown quantity, they've added a couple of new faces this year in Butler and Kenny. Overall its the same KK team we've been nip and tuck with the last few years. I'd give us a small chance of turning them over (really small because its in Nowlan Park).
Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 270 - 26/04/2022 10:41:02
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Replying To Onfor15: "There is no evidence yet that Egan is any better or worse than Davy.
So far he has had 2 championship games, without Chin able to start, and we had very similar results against both Dublin and Galway as we did under Davy.
Converting just 1 of the missed frees along with either the penalty or the McDonald chance raising the green flag, we would have bettered our best result v Dublin under Davy.
Last week we equalled our best result v Galway under Davy.
Davy wasn't the problem, Egan isn't the problem and the next manager won't be the problem either.
The problem is we do not have the players good enough to consistently get results at the top level. We have players good enough to occasionally get a result, but not consistently.
Our senior club championship for all it's closeness and competitiveness is a pretty poor standard and our underage teams have hardly been setting the world alight over the last 5/6 years.
Our best 3/4 players are as good as any county's, but we don't have enough of them. There are players on our starting team who wouldn't even be in most other top counties panels. And that has been the case for at least the last 20 years.
For the record:
Davy's Championship record v Galway:
9 point loss, 9 point loss, Draw, 13 point loss
Egan's Championship record v Galway:
Draw
Davy's Championship record v Dublin:
2 point win, Draw
Egan's Championship record v Dublin:
1 point loss" Probably one of the most reasoned answers on here in a long time.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 508 - 26/04/2022 10:47:09
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I agree with you StoreysTash. Viking is a glass half full person which is a good way to be but a dose of realism is no harm neither. Last Saturday's result is a disaster and the only way I can see us qualifying now is for Kilkenny to beat both Galway and Dublin and be qualified going into to our final game. Do I think they will? No, I think they might win one but could easily lose both and it'll be winner takes all in nowlan park . Kilkenny haven't been tested yet and I think we'll be a lot wiser about them after next Sunday.
At the end of the day we aren't hurling well and anyone thinking differently is deluded" I lean towards being optimistic as well but some times you have to be realistic. We knew from the minute the draw happened the 2 first games were must-win. We threw Saturday away and it was a result of could have should haves.
I understand that if we win the last 3 games we will qualify.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1922 - 26/04/2022 11:12:50
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Replying To Fulgrim: "Huh? The most Kilkenny can finish on is 10 not 8. The points totals are all out of 10, not 8." Read the post you are answering Fulgrim. The most Kilkenny can finish on IF WE BEAT THEM is 8.
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