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Replying To Tiger1: "It's easier get away from defenders in February March than in championship hurling fitness levels and first touchs improve as year goes on and your up against the best defenders available from each county ." game plan and team selection is a major worry, especially in the forwards,
how Charlie stayed on the field for 70mins is really unbelievable, our half forwards play so deep it allows their half backs room to double mark both rory and mac,
Rory is our star man but needs assistance from the half forward line,
for what it's worth my opinion is kevin foley should be no 12 starting, if not a sweeper he should be a forward
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Missing penalty and some soft frees cost us big time need to get this sorted on Fanning got one in 2019 leinstet but has missed the last 2 Rory too hit and miss for inter County hurling until we get this sorted lads we are always going to struggle.
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So rumours of Chin's upcoming leg amputation must be true after all. As I said earlier, my cousin is a physio and there are no sporting injuries which take 2 years to recover from. He said he might have something like Gilmore's groin which is a slow recovery but he said even those sort of injuries require rest but nowhere near 2 years.
Back to the match, Saturday was so disappointing.
First up, I sat on the open side in Wexford Park for the first time full and it must be the worst place in Ireland to watch a match. The slope on it is atrocious, you can barely see over the head of the person in front. It is so bad.
Re the match, it was arrogant of management to start the exact same half forward line and midfield which were destroyed v Galway. If I was a Dublin hurler, that would say to me that we don't rate you and can get away with it.
I don't get the puck out strategy at all. Give to full back who runs with the ball 10-15 yards and pops it over McDonald's head or drives it down the field to a man in space. What sort of tactic is that? O'Donnell is too good of a hurler to not use the ball well and this tactic has now failed in 3 games. What is the thinking here? I see none.
I don't criticise players as club senior hurling is a difficult level so inter county hurling must be off the charts. But the penalty and McDonald goal chance have to be scored at any grade from junior c upward. A few very bad misses from frees, and play, cost us this match.
There were some good performances, the backs hurled well and Damien Reck was outstanding again but the pressure they are under is consistent since midfield and half forward line are not contributing enough.
Not having a 9/10 free taker is killing us and is costing us big games. Is it time to start Ross Banville? He is the best free taker in the panel and one of the best in club hurling in Wexford and is also a good hurler so will contribute from play.
But all the above said, Dublin just wanted it more than we did.
I was in Thurles yesterday as gf is from Tipp and the display by Clare was a world apart from either team in Wexford.
That all said, our team is a rebuild job and we need the likes of McGuckin, Dwyer, etc to come through. They will only get better with more game time. Not having 5 subs to throw in is a worry. Especially when management thought the like of Harry Kehoe surplus to requirement.
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Replying To Tiger1: "It's easier get away from defenders in February March than in championship hurling fitness levels and first touchs improve as year goes on and your up against the best defenders available from each county ." The opposite is the case.
Good ball on a hard pitch gives you an advantage in the summer months provided the forward knows where it is coming. A slow pitch is a backs game all day.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1920 - 25/04/2022 09:07:54
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Replying To tearintom: "Team selection a shambles. Same 15, I didn't comment during the week as I fully expected changes but no, I mean the same half forward line, really?
Gameplan and tactics a shambles. What actually are they apart from ball into Rory and hope he can win the game for us.
Simply going backwards in all honesty, a year masked by winning a few league matches against teams that weren't bothered.
Two HOME championship games against pretty average teams and a lucky draw is all we have.
But het we played a few young fellas and davys gone so that's all that matters.
Heard some crap from Gizzy during the week about how it's great that Egan is taking a more holistic approach and allowing the wexford spirit to come out, yep fantastic stuff altogether." In a way Gizzy is right. The Wexford spirit has comr out. The modern one anyway, which is a continued high wide count, a lack of modern tactical acumen compared to our peers and constantly disappointing the fans just when we start to hope.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1503 - 25/04/2022 09:41:12
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Replying To Tiger1: "Missing penalty and some soft frees cost us big time need to get this sorted on Fanning got one in 2019 leinstet but has missed the last 2 Rory too hit and miss for inter County hurling until we get this sorted lads we are always going to struggle." "Soft frees." I suggest you look at the free count, and the video, including for the penalty which had it been in any other game would have been forensically dissected by Donal Óg who instead bizarrely picked a player from the losing team to focus on and said nothing at all about Dublin!
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3688 - 25/04/2022 09:50:39
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Replying To beano: "In a way Gizzy is right. The Wexford spirit has comr out. The modern one anyway, which is a continued high wide count, a lack of modern tactical acumen compared to our peers and constantly disappointing the fans just when we start to hope." Darragh Egan is way out of his depth in this job.
Give out about Davy all you want, but he had a very good Inter-county CV when he took over the Wexford job.
I agree with the above, Ross Banville couldn't be any worse from play than some of our starting forwards so why not start him when we know he is the best free-taker in Wexford?
Too may of the Wexford forwards are contributing nothing on the scoreboard
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 974 - 25/04/2022 10:33:14
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Replying To theboys: "Look at it without the Wexford classes on ya like I do when judging this team
1.we have 1 proper defender that would make the top team in jippo,even tho his form has dipped slightly,but to be honest he gets no help from out the field or our half backs who don't mark and are defensively brutal
2.we have this year 1 forward that's on form with the weight of the whole of Wexford on him to win games on his own which is crazy and he can't do it on his own,he would make the top teams at the minute,so in reality we have 2 top class players in my mind!!!that's not good enough
3.we must have the worst half forward line in the country to be honest that offer zero if I'm honest and simply are not up to intercounty standard at all,I would dread to think what it would look like against the top lads!!!
4.our subs?? oh lord people talking about the great panel we have the competition and depth,please some of these lads are very average at club level
4.pepper being used is the biggest mystery to me,when all the talk is about how important it is to get this under 20 team to the top and bring them through with all these great minors we had in 19???he's a slip of a lad and really at intercounty senior be has no chance,totally over rated also
5.i can say this that the Leinster minor we won in 19 was great but the standard was very poor and we got wiped out by Galway,I think these lads are over hyped,watch what Dublin will do with them!!!
6.this team has run its course 3 u21 Leinster's got us 1 Leinster senior medal but still has us light years away from the top table in reality
7.We have a high performance committee or panel in place also aload of ****,how is it that all of our underage development squads train for an hour on the weekend and that's it from u13 or 14 till they get to u17???if that's high performance IL leave it so,when all the county's at the top train 3 nights,how do we expect to make that ground back up at minor??? Maybe sort that issue out we might produce
8.i honestly feel we are on the decline big time" Apart from 7, which is interesting and poor if true, that is the most negative post I've seen in a long time. Our defence hasn't been bad since the League started except in the League semi. We restricted Galway and Dublin to totals we should've exceeded despite not playing for the 1st 45 minutes of the Galway game. Mcdonald has been much improved this year. Agreed the half forward line has been a bit of a weakness but against Dublin Kevin Foley and Mcguckin got through a load of covering work watch the game back yourself. Charlie even made a great high catch only poor thing was a poor wide when he had more time than he thought.
Poor wides were a big problem you haven't mentioned, as is the main reason we only have 1 point instead of 4. If we had a freetaker or freetakers on the pitch who only missed 1 or 2 frees a game like all the other top 9 teams have we would have 4 points instead of 1. End of.
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Replying To Yellowhelmet: "Looking at the Clare game. All scoring forwards. As well as working hard. We seem to be content with 2 scoring forwards and a few hard workers." That's because we don't have 6 scoring forwards who all work hard like Clare have.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16764 - 25/04/2022 10:38:21
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Replying To WEX98: "What's the advantage of the short puck out?" It's a soccer and football crossover. Keep the ball so the opponents can't score and you might when you work it up the pitch. All well and good till you get turned over in midfield and the ball is back over your bar in a flash.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16764 - 25/04/2022 10:40:23
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Replying To StoreysTash: "So rumours of Chin's upcoming leg amputation must be true after all. As I said earlier, my cousin is a physio and there are no sporting injuries which take 2 years to recover from. He said he might have something like Gilmore's groin which is a slow recovery but he said even those sort of injuries require rest but nowhere near 2 years.
Back to the match, Saturday was so disappointing.
First up, I sat on the open side in Wexford Park for the first time full and it must be the worst place in Ireland to watch a match. The slope on it is atrocious, you can barely see over the head of the person in front. It is so bad.
Re the match, it was arrogant of management to start the exact same half forward line and midfield which were destroyed v Galway. If I was a Dublin hurler, that would say to me that we don't rate you and can get away with it.
I don't get the puck out strategy at all. Give to full back who runs with the ball 10-15 yards and pops it over McDonald's head or drives it down the field to a man in space. What sort of tactic is that? O'Donnell is too good of a hurler to not use the ball well and this tactic has now failed in 3 games. What is the thinking here? I see none.
I don't criticise players as club senior hurling is a difficult level so inter county hurling must be off the charts. But the penalty and McDonald goal chance have to be scored at any grade from junior c upward. A few very bad misses from frees, and play, cost us this match.
There were some good performances, the backs hurled well and Damien Reck was outstanding again but the pressure they are under is consistent since midfield and half forward line are not contributing enough.
Not having a 9/10 free taker is killing us and is costing us big games. Is it time to start Ross Banville? He is the best free taker in the panel and one of the best in club hurling in Wexford and is also a good hurler so will contribute from play.
But all the above said, Dublin just wanted it more than we did.
I was in Thurles yesterday as gf is from Tipp and the display by Clare was a world apart from either team in Wexford.
That all said, our team is a rebuild job and we need the likes of McGuckin, Dwyer, etc to come through. They will only get better with more game time. Not having 5 subs to throw in is a worry. Especially when management thought the like of Harry Kehoe surplus to requirement." Agree about Ross Banville. Good player in open play also and only 22 this year.
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Replying To StoreysTash: "So rumours of Chin's upcoming leg amputation must be true after all. As I said earlier, my cousin is a physio and there are no sporting injuries which take 2 years to recover from. He said he might have something like Gilmore's groin which is a slow recovery but he said even those sort of injuries require rest but nowhere near 2 years.
Back to the match, Saturday was so disappointing.
First up, I sat on the open side in Wexford Park for the first time full and it must be the worst place in Ireland to watch a match. The slope on it is atrocious, you can barely see over the head of the person in front. It is so bad.
Re the match, it was arrogant of management to start the exact same half forward line and midfield which were destroyed v Galway. If I was a Dublin hurler, that would say to me that we don't rate you and can get away with it.
I don't get the puck out strategy at all. Give to full back who runs with the ball 10-15 yards and pops it over McDonald's head or drives it down the field to a man in space. What sort of tactic is that? O'Donnell is too good of a hurler to not use the ball well and this tactic has now failed in 3 games. What is the thinking here? I see none.
I don't criticise players as club senior hurling is a difficult level so inter county hurling must be off the charts. But the penalty and McDonald goal chance have to be scored at any grade from junior c upward. A few very bad misses from frees, and play, cost us this match.
There were some good performances, the backs hurled well and Damien Reck was outstanding again but the pressure they are under is consistent since midfield and half forward line are not contributing enough.
Not having a 9/10 free taker is killing us and is costing us big games. Is it time to start Ross Banville? He is the best free taker in the panel and one of the best in club hurling in Wexford and is also a good hurler so will contribute from play.
But all the above said, Dublin just wanted it more than we did.
I was in Thurles yesterday as gf is from Tipp and the display by Clare was a world apart from either team in Wexford.
That all said, our team is a rebuild job and we need the likes of McGuckin, Dwyer, etc to come through. They will only get better with more game time. Not having 5 subs to throw in is a worry. Especially when management thought the like of Harry Kehoe surplus to requirement." I would happily take Ross banville or seamus Casey for frees alone over what mcguckin and Dwyer offer to the team which in my view is next to nothing.
I agree with you We are light years away from the top teams. The only positives I take from the first 2 matches are fighting to the end despite being 5/6 points down for most of both games and the performances of Damien reck.
Chin's knee injury is serious and would see him miss the guts of 2 years. I've heard that from a very reliable source
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Replying To beano: "In a way Gizzy is right. The Wexford spirit has comr out. The modern one anyway, which is a continued high wide count, a lack of modern tactical acumen compared to our peers and constantly disappointing the fans just when we start to hope." I've been a Wexford fan since the,early 90s Beano. And apart from 96, to misquote the speech, we have always been the bridesmaids in that time till this. Tbh we weren't even wedding guests for alot of the end of Gizzys time!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16764 - 25/04/2022 10:46:43
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Replying To Viking66: "Agree about Ross Banville. Good player in open play also and only 22 this year." Look at the free takers we've used in recent years… Harry kehoe, paul Morris, jacko and Rory, chin, Dee okeeffe. None bar chin has a high enough conversion rate and even chin has had his off days. All our competition have top free takers who in all fairness offer plenty from general play as well. There's no doubt in my mind that unless you're converting your frees it affects your own game
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I don't see any thread on Wexford football, so I'll congratulate them on a great win here on this thread. I'm sure that all of you are delighted anyway, as you are Wexford fans after all, irrespective of the code involved.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2356 - 25/04/2022 11:07:28
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Replying To BarneyGrant: ""Soft frees." I suggest you look at the free count, and the video, including for the penalty which had it been in any other game would have been forensically dissected by Donal Óg who instead bizarrely picked a player from the losing team to focus on and said nothing at all about Dublin!" Rory dropped a free short early in the second half from 30 yards out Barney. And missed a few other easy enough 1s. Donal only missed 1 I think and it was a tough 1. There's the difference between the teams right there Barney.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16764 - 25/04/2022 11:35:27
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I don't see any thread on Wexford football, so I'll congratulate them on a great win here on this thread. I'm sure that all of you are delighted anyway, as you are Wexford fans after all, irrespective of the code involved." There is a wexford football thread with 650 contributions, the most recent being this morning and about 80,000 views.
Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 533 - 25/04/2022 11:39:35
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Replying To HurlingBuzz: "I would happily take Ross banville or seamus Casey for frees alone over what mcguckin and Dwyer offer to the team which in my view is next to nothing.
I agree with you We are light years away from the top teams. The only positives I take from the first 2 matches are fighting to the end despite being 5/6 points down for most of both games and the performances of Damien reck.
Chin's knee injury is serious and would see him miss the guts of 2 years. I've heard that from a very reliable source" Bringing on Conor Hearne in the 72nd minute for McGuckin was madness!
Hearne should have came on early in the second half, he has loads of hurling.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 974 - 25/04/2022 11:49:09
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First off ... Well Done Dublin. You have a very good player in Donal Burke and a number of your forwards delivered crucial scores.
Now as regards Wexford, the short version is that we didn't take our chances.
I think we are making life hard for ourselves and maybe 1 tweak that could make a big difference.
Whenever I am gutted at the result, I eventually end up looing at what the numbers might show.
So I look at the statistics to see if this would translate into some sort of insight.
For me, 2 things are clear.
1. Free taking.
Chin comes in after half time and scores 7 from placed balls (1 65 + 6 frees). I am nearly sure that he only misses 1. Success rate 87.5% (even if I got this wrong and Chin missed 2, then it's 78%).
Rory scores 4 from frees but misses 3, maybe 4 frees. Success rate either 57% or 50%.
As suggested by a few posters, I'd bring young Banville or Casey in at corner forward with a specialist role to take frees.
Meath won a few football All-Ireland's with a specialist free taker in the corner - Brian Stafford. Yes, Stafford picked off the odd score from play but in general, he stayed in the corner with a clear remit to convert frees. Most games he had a scoring ratio above 80%, sometimes 90%+ and even the odd day where he got all the frees. Sean Boylan, a very clever man, knew this and this strategy back boned a few All Ireland wins.
Given that our forwards did not score beyond Rory and Conor Mc, why not "carry" a specialist corner forward for frees, as suggested by other people on this forum as well.
What effect would this have had and could have?
(a) Statistically, with a better place ball conversion, we would have at least drawn or won that Dublin game and won the Galway game.
(b) Rory is a brilliant hurler. If you took the frees away from him, he can focus on his own game. It might just liberate him to focus on scoring more from play.
(c) Another benefit is that it encourages you to run at the opposition more because you know if get fouled, it's 80% going to be a score for you. Also the opposition want to foul less because there's a higher chance of a score. And more fouls, ends up with more cards being awarded and defenders hold back a little when on a yellow. The great kilkenny team of the naughties(Eoin larkin etc), did this to great effect knowing their free would be converted nine times out of ten.
In summary, bringing in a specialist free taker could give a higher conversion rate AND free up our best forward.
2. Our forwards scoring from play score 0-2.
Conor McDonald scores 1 point from play. Rory scores 1 point from play.
Overall, statistically, we created 42 scoring chances and scored 0-23 points.
We did create a lot, we just didn't convert them into scores.
At times like this, I miss Paul Morris. Nearly every game, he chipped in with 1 or 2 points from play, even against the top opposition. He has the ability to drift off the defender, take a pass and score that 1 or 2 points. Now, I know that doesn't look like much but ... but if you have 4 more Paul Morris's in your forward line, you get a cumulative effect. Anyway, the point is that even 1 point from a Paul Morris and we would have better results against Dublin and Galway.
I am not sure how to solve the forward scoring problem. There's some good young hurlers that maybe they require a little more time and experience at this level and that they will come good with more experience.
Anyway, what is done is done.
If there was 1 change, I'd do, it would be to bring in a speciality free taker.
If Chin was fit to play, that would probably solve it too but that is a whole other story.
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